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DSC-F717 Built in obsolescence?

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Philip Smith said:
Hands up, all those people who want there cameras working in ten
years' time.
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It won't be my main camera, but I expect it to still work. Maybe I'll give it to the kids to use, or hack something up to use it to monitor something. It doesn't stop being capable ot taking good pictures just because there's a camera that takes better pictures out there.

Yes, in 10 years, I'm sure we'll all have 100-megapixel ultra-low noise sensors, cameras with absurd amounts of storage, wireless networking, image stabilisation etc., but that won't stop my 717 from geing able to take reasonable pictures that look good when printed.

Dave
 
WeirdDave said:
Philip Smith said:
Hands up, all those people who want there cameras working in ten
years' time.
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It won't be my main camera, but I expect it to still work. Maybe
I'll give it to the kids to use, or hack something up to use it to
monitor something. It doesn't stop being capable ot taking good
pictures just because there's a camera that takes better pictures
out there.

Yes, in 10 years, I'm sure we'll all have 100-megapixel ultra-low
noise sensors, cameras with absurd amounts of storage, wireless
networking, image stabilisation etc., but that won't stop my 717
from geing able to take reasonable pictures that look good when
printed.

Dave
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Good gravy! It is a stupid little battery. Even assuming that the info is correct on the longevity of this battery, the stupid shutter is going to give out before the battery ever does! Man, talk about panic and hand wringing for the sake of panic and hand wringing.

I hope nothing truly bad ever happens to you people, you would wring your hands off and maybe self implode :-)

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Shay

My Sony F707 & F717 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
My F717 Observations: http://www.shaystephens.com/f717.asp
 
I'm arguing about the principle of disposability, not whether or not I'm going to be alive in near future. And, quite frankly, to be unconcerned about the performance of a product because one may or may not die seems a little absurd to me.

Also, I'b be interested to know where you got your assertion that it WILL only cost $25. Last time I heard, stripping a camera cost a lot more than that.
Gene Miller said:
bauerman said:
Mel Lammers said:
I am sleeping well and look forward to a long camera life (say 5
years, :-) )
Greg Gebhardt said:
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There is no way that you should avoid this camera because the
battery "may" go dead in 5-10 years.

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
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Mel
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Obvisouly Mr. Gebhardt has much more discresionary cash than most
of us and replacing a 600-800 camera because the battery goes dead
is no problem for him. I think that for most of us however -
sending our cams in to Sony for 10 minutes of labor at $200 is
simply ridiculous. Another Sony gaff.

Bauerman

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Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
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Why do you guys just go on and on in this thread? This existance of button cell battery in certain camera and the possibility of its going bad in time are well infromed already. I just don't get why people are even flaming each other on this issue. This is one of the longest thread in this forum and I don't see why. I would understand the length of this thread if it's about somebody electrocuted while using a Sony camera or an alien stole sombody's button cell battery with a beam machine. What's the big deal?
Hence, Geico commercial. Why not?
Gene Miller said:
Blix said:
Gene Miller said:
Blix said:
Gene Miller said:
bauerman said:
Gene Miller said:
From reading some of the threads here, I am amazed at the attitude
expressed because of a rechargable button cell that Sony would have
to change. I don't think Sony wants anyone opening up cameras
without proper knowledge. I do not know why it was designed that
way, but I have known other electronics designed in the same
manner. I don't think this is a big deal. Take pictures until the
battery needs replacing. The camera is not going to die on you. I
have checked my manual on the V1 and could not find anything on
internal battery. If the V1 has one, Sony is not talking about it.
Maybe they are just using an eprom or a capacitor or something. I
do not know. But if my camera goes bad within 5 years, I have an
extended warranty. Now if I can only get one on myself. ;-)

Anyways if that will stop you from buying another Sony, well be my
guest. I will always try to buy a camera that meets my needs now.
Not what one imagine might happen down the road. From where I sit,
I think this is silly. Just a honest comment from an old man.

If anything, the human body is not built to last. The designer put
the aging process into everyone of us, giving a built-in
obsolescence. But a lot will die from accidents and diseases before
old age takes it toll. The camera is a better deal. At least the
battery can be replaced by a technician. We just have to take
whatever comes. Take care.
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I thiink that it is an EXTREME stretch to compare the wonders of
the human body with a Sony DSC-717. If man ever comes close to
building something even on the same planet as the human body - I
will let you know!

The point of this entire thread is the fact that all camera
manufacturers use the internal batteries - it is just that most
other companies put them in a spot where you can replace them if
needed. It seems that Sony did not go down this road for some
reason. Maybe we will never know why - but I would have to agree I
would rather have access to the little beastie!

Bauerman

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C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
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--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
Click to expand...
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--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
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Yup, these people are amazing. Well, I'm glad I could contribute something in this dead serious.

Long live the stupid battery!!!
Shay Stephens said:
Good gravy! It is a stupid little battery. Even assuming that the
info is correct on the longevity of this battery, the stupid
shutter is going to give out before the battery ever does! Man,
talk about panic and hand wringing for the sake of panic and hand
wringing.

I hope nothing truly bad ever happens to you people, you would
wring your hands off and maybe self implode :-)

--
Shay

My Sony F707 & F717 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
My F717 Observations: http://www.shaystephens.com/f717.asp
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WeirdDave said:
I bought a PC in 1995. I still have it, and it still works. It's a
little slow compared to today's models, but I still use it to write
letters, read mail and so on.

I wouldn't really want to try to edit 5-megapixel photos with it,
but it still happily does everything that it did 8 years ago.
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Except run the newer programs, edit digital photos, and so on. But it works great as a electronic typewriter. That's great and my sundial still tells time, sort of. ;-)
WeirdDave said:
Dave
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Come on Greg. You know better. Film cameras didn't last that long either. I had two SLRs that went bad. Had to be sent in and components replaced. These digital cameras are really reliable and based on their usage, I think they give you more bang for your buck.
Greg Gebhardt said:
Nukester said:
Philip Smith said:
Greg Gebhardt said:
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There is no way that you should avoid this camera because the
battery "may" go dead in 5-10 years.

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
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http://www.pbase.com/philipsmith
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You should not sell it at all. A switch could break redering the
camera useless. For $600 to $700 you are not going to get any
electronic device that is made to last. That is a simple fact. If
you want it to last longer you need to go back to an emulsion
camera body. All of this stuff is disposable!
Nuf said for me. This IS one of the more stupid threads I have
seen in this forum.

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
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C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
 
These batteries are rechargeable button batteries, not the button batteries used in watches. They will last from 10 to 20 years. If they go out, your camera still works. But if they are removed, then your camera will not work. On the bottom of the V1 there are four screws to remove holding the plastic plate. Near the tripod socket on the surface is where the button battery is located. A two minute job to replace if needed which it won't. The F717 should be the same. There have been people on this forum who have taken apart the F717 are removed the IR blocker and replaced it with glass. So when I say to replace the button battery will only be $25, that figure may be high. You may be arguing the principle of disposability, but this thread was started because of the button battery that every digital camera has and most film cameras. This is a silly thread. That is what I am arguing.
Philip Smith said:
Also, I'b be interested to know where you got your assertion that
it WILL only cost $25. Last time I heard, stripping a camera cost a
lot more than that.
Gene Miller said:
bauerman said:
Mel Lammers said:
I am sleeping well and look forward to a long camera life (say 5
years, :-) )
Greg Gebhardt said:
--
There is no way that you should avoid this camera because the
battery "may" go dead in 5-10 years.

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
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--
=^..^=
Mel
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Obvisouly Mr. Gebhardt has much more discresionary cash than most
of us and replacing a 600-800 camera because the battery goes dead
is no problem for him. I think that for most of us however -
sending our cams in to Sony for 10 minutes of labor at $200 is
simply ridiculous. Another Sony gaff.

Bauerman

--
http://www.bauerman.Galleries.photoshare.co.nz
Click to expand...
--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/philipsmith
Click to expand...
--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
 
Well, you are part of this thread Bilix. So if you can understand why you posted what you did, then you will understand why this silly thread has went on like it has. I find it funny and has created a place of entertainment. I'm glad you joined in the fun. ;-)
Blix said:
Gene Miller said:
Blix said:
Gene Miller said:
Blix said:
Gene Miller said:
bauerman said:
Gene Miller said:
From reading some of the threads here, I am amazed at the attitude
expressed because of a rechargable button cell that Sony would have
to change. I don't think Sony wants anyone opening up cameras
without proper knowledge. I do not know why it was designed that
way, but I have known other electronics designed in the same
manner. I don't think this is a big deal. Take pictures until the
battery needs replacing. The camera is not going to die on you. I
have checked my manual on the V1 and could not find anything on
internal battery. If the V1 has one, Sony is not talking about it.
Maybe they are just using an eprom or a capacitor or something. I
do not know. But if my camera goes bad within 5 years, I have an
extended warranty. Now if I can only get one on myself. ;-)

Anyways if that will stop you from buying another Sony, well be my
guest. I will always try to buy a camera that meets my needs now.
Not what one imagine might happen down the road. From where I sit,
I think this is silly. Just a honest comment from an old man.

If anything, the human body is not built to last. The designer put
the aging process into everyone of us, giving a built-in
obsolescence. But a lot will die from accidents and diseases before
old age takes it toll. The camera is a better deal. At least the
battery can be replaced by a technician. We just have to take
whatever comes. Take care.
Click to expand...
I thiink that it is an EXTREME stretch to compare the wonders of
the human body with a Sony DSC-717. If man ever comes close to
building something even on the same planet as the human body - I
will let you know!

The point of this entire thread is the fact that all camera
manufacturers use the internal batteries - it is just that most
other companies put them in a spot where you can replace them if
needed. It seems that Sony did not go down this road for some
reason. Maybe we will never know why - but I would have to agree I
would rather have access to the little beastie!

Bauerman

--
http://www.bauerman.Galleries.photoshare.co.nz
Click to expand...
--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
 
I won;t deny anyone their opion or right to post it. Also, thanks for the specific info on how to replace the battery. That is actually very helpful.
Gene Miller said:
Philip Smith said:
Also, I'b be interested to know where you got your assertion that
it WILL only cost $25. Last time I heard, stripping a camera cost a
lot more than that.
Gene Miller said:
bauerman said:
Mel Lammers said:
I am sleeping well and look forward to a long camera life (say 5
years, :-) )
Greg Gebhardt said:
--
There is no way that you should avoid this camera because the
battery "may" go dead in 5-10 years.

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
Click to expand...
--
=^..^=
Mel
Click to expand...
Obvisouly Mr. Gebhardt has much more discresionary cash than most
of us and replacing a 600-800 camera because the battery goes dead
is no problem for him. I think that for most of us however -
sending our cams in to Sony for 10 minutes of labor at $200 is
simply ridiculous. Another Sony gaff.

Bauerman

--
http://www.bauerman.Galleries.photoshare.co.nz
Click to expand...
--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/philipsmith
Click to expand...
--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
http://www.pbase.com/gene
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/philipsmith
 
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