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What are the main differences / similarities between an ICC profile and a color space?
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Difference between ICC profile and color space?
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Michael Fryd
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Actually, you tend to say this a lot, but you seldom actually prove anything
If the only content in your post is to say that someone is wrong, there is no need for the post.
If you have actual information to add, then include it in the post.
If you don't want to add the information because you have previously included it, then there is no need to post. The readers here are smart. I think they have a good idea of what's going on.
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digidog
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digidog
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I have lots of help. Case in point towards your silly text just here:
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If the only content in your post is wrong, there is no need for the post.
Your posts are often very wrong and that's why so many other's call you out.
Been there, done that.
I hope they are! if so, they have their Michael Fryd BS detectors on full blast. And they are listening to the choir of people who regally call you out on your misinformation!
I hope so. They people like Iliah, myself and gollywop could spend our time more constructivly than cleaning up after your mistaken posts.
I'm out of here MF, as continuing to point out your textual shortcomings can service no further purpose, you're in that hole deep!
Michael Fryd
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No. I have no need for you to dissect that post.
However, if you feel you must respond, I would prefer that you actually respond to the statements I made, rather than generic attacks against my person.
You make a very good point that the only new information in your post was a personal attack. If the issues have have already been raised and discussed, and you have nothing further to add, then there is no need for you to post.
Yes. You have made it clear that this is a personal for you.
However, the public forums are really not the best place for you to vent your personal fetishes.
Then there is no need for you to ever respond to anything I write.
Trust your feelings. There is no need to respond to my posts.
Michael Fryd
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You may benefit from moving away from the derogatory opinions and stick to facts.
The post you link to is someone else disputing a statement I didn't make.
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digidog
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Good, it would be rather embarrassing once again for you. Iliah got the word in so pointless to subject you to more corrections when the OP is long gone, lurkers have summed you up by now (or never will) and you're just conducting a vortex of textual masturbation to get us to the eventual 149 post lock.
Stop writing technical nonsense and I'll have no reason. Your posts are often very wrong and that's why so many other's call you out.
Ditto to you sir.
Michael Fryd
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Thanks for the smile. You used a lot of words without actually saying anything.
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digidog
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I've somewhat suspected for awhile now that English might be a 2nd language for you.
Here's another smile to make your day,
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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
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digidog
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He didn't have to add any explanation for some who already understand this topic.
IF you didn't understand this vial concept of color management and color spaces, you can always ask those of us that do know, what's going on.
Is this concept, that input/capture devices do not have gamuts clear?
Sadly, you and Iliah don't have the ability to communicate w/ simple people like me. Iliah uses too few words; you use to many of the wrong words. And you constantly resort to insults when your words fall short.
On my website, I have several spectral graphs. This is one:
You can find this information via a Google search. One issue is that not every expert agrees on the exact shape of these curves. I tried to pick average curves to publish. One reason I think it varies is because not all sensors have the same Color Filter Array specifications.
There are other data involved. The above are the curves w/ sunlight as the spectrum illuminating the sensor. There is also the sensitivity curve of the human eye, which like all the other curves varies a lot among individuals and w/ illuminance levels. Commonly published eye sensitivity curves are:
![From viz.tamu.edu [based on material by H.E. Burdick]...](https://www.dpreview.com/forums/data/attachments/1062/1062970-e516f07ccca8ac94b5b34d8d48de6347.jpg?hash=9pqqkQtI5C "From viz.tamu.edu [based on material by H.E. Burdick]...")
From viz.tamu.edu [based on material by H.E. Burdick]...
It shows that green is the most sensitive color. Other sources state that the human eye is most sensitive at 550 nm. Note however, that our eyes are not twice as sensitive in the green.
I present these to let you know that I understand both the eye and Silicon sensors re their spectral characteristics. I learned this in my HS Physics class over half a century ago.
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I speak my mind because it hurts to bite my tongue all the time.
Andy, it was Iliah who resurrected this 1/2-year-old thread [not post]. He added some good information:
"Colour space is defined as a set of colour dimensions (3 for Munsell, RGB, Lab, HSB,...; 4 for CMYK,...; 1 for monochrome; 5 and more for a fancy printer; etc), a shape (can be a universe, limited only by the dimension maximums) that encompasses the allowed combinations of the dimension values, and a metric that allows to convert combinations to colours and colours to combinations. This conversion is not necessarily one-to-one, that is several combinations can correspond to a same colour.
Profile is a mapping into a pre-determined colour space."
Michael commented about this in a long post. His goal was communicating in a way that beginners could understand. I don't think he was trying to insult you or Iliah. Unfortunately both of you reacted defensively. He said in closing:
"It turns out that the answers to some of the above are controversial, and discussing those issues are best left to a different thread."
Go up and read what you incorrectly typed in that last sentence? I believe that "...post with even more home of your grown misinformation." is seriously scrambled. You write such cute mistakes!
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digidog
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Simple is an interesting choice of words. There are other words (one that starts with s) that applies IMHO.
You mean when people I assume have average or slightly less than average intelligence are unable to understand facts and expect them to ask question when they are so regularly confused. I see.
You can search for all kinds of items that have nothing to do with the correct text Iilah has attempted to explain to you. Text that thus far, only you seem not to understand.On my website, I have several spectral graphs. This is one:
You can find this information via a Google search.
Really? Not that it has anything to do with the facts Iliah provided to you about raw data.
Average? In what way?
What does your spectral graph have to do with CFAs and your flat earth idea about how all raw files are green (despite being provided a clear example or a raw that dismisses this silly idea)?
Yes, data that's moot. Here's some more data that's about as useful in dismissing your ability to understand what Iliah wrote: 3x4 equals 7.
Which is it? The SPD of a light source OR the results from a sensor as CFA data?
More OT, looked up text that has nothing to do with your ideas Iliah easily and very clearly dismissed. Game over.
Had you read what Iliah clearly wrote, you wouldn't have to repeat it here. So seems you missed that text from him as well.
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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
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digidog
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He failed. The OP already addressed the text he found useful 6 months ago.
I asked Mike if he wanted me to once again critique his text technically (after Iliah did) and Mike refused which is fine with me. It would only serve to embarrass him more.
The OP had some useful suggestions for your posts, miss it?
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Iliah Borg
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... opening it with "Some other have thrown in lots of details demonstrating that everyone else is wrong." Which is what I call going passive aggressive
Not sure. Especially given the info he provided was misleading.
Michael Fryd
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... opening it with "Some other have thrown in lots of details demonstrating that everyone else is wrong." Which is what I call going passive aggressive
Not sure. Especially given the info he provided was misleading.
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