The outcome of the Official 10D AF test in Korea

DavidP said:

JamesM said:

This is a MID LEVEL SLR, guys. No one would expect an ELAN 7 to
have perfect AF. Why are you expecting a 10d?

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DavidP said:

Given no other information, what do YOU assume the testing
conditions would be in a test like this? You can use the info
provided so far in this thread, of course.

ANYBODY can throw up his hands and say "no data, sorry, I can't
come up with an answer". An engineer can do better than that.

Granted, people are expected to know that assumptions have been
made in coming up with the answer. And the engineer will gladly
tell you what those assumptions are, if you ask.

digitaltourist said:

I am an engineer too, not that it makes any difference. Anyway,
there is no way that any good engineer comes to any conclusions
without first understanding the methodology as well as the results
of any test scenario.

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Robert Burkhalter said:

I think David P answered my question. And I picked him because
I've seen him be objective. And, I thought he has been very close
to this issue and might have gotten a feel for whether it was
possible to have canon fix the problem by properly adjusting
(calibrating the auto focus) the rig if it's sent in.

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DavidP said:

Of course, I also recommend additional testing so that I have more
data about the new piece of fruit that I'm trying to analyze.

Nobody's given additional data yet about the testing that took
place, other than what's been posted here in this thread.

My main assumption is that the testing was done in good light with
a high-contrast target. Why do I make that assumption? Because
I assume that Canon and LG had a vested interest in giving the
cameras the highest marks they could for focusing correctly.

JamesM said:

So as an engineer you find it OK to extrapolate information about
apples from another piece of fruit? I have problems with that.

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DavidP said:

"SLR club members seemed to agree on this point as well, at east on
an official note."

I'm gonna assume that "east" is supposed to bt "least".

Now, let me at my emphasis to the sentence:

SLR club members SEEMED to agree on this point as well, at least on
an official note.

Why the "seemed" ?

And why the addition of the phrase "at least on an official note".

It sounds to me more like they were simply tired of the whole
issue, and that Canon/LG weren't really giving them what they
wanted.

Ashley Cheng said:

One more thing interested me though. The Korean people seem to be
quite critical on this issue (the 10% return rate confirmed that),
why then do you think that they accept the results? I wonder.

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DavidP said:

Ashley Cheng said:

I don't know. That's just my impression after reading the original
post.

Why the "seemed"? Perhaps your guess is correct or perhaps the
original poster, Solo, wasn't that sure himself on that statement
as he was just relying on Babbelfish translation?

Try this:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=5805881

Perhaps Solo or Papablue, a native Korean speaker, could help us
clarify this point.

Did the SLR club members accept the result or did they not?

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DavidP said:

I don't care how the 10D fares against the D100. That's not
exactly an issue, since the D100 doesn't take EF lenses.

digitaltourist said:

Afraid of the facts? You mean like the fact that the 10D's did
better in the same test than the venerable Nikon D100? Or, how
about the fact that the most critical members of the most vocal
camera club (on the focus issue anyway) in the world have accepted
the results and are satisfied?

Those are facts, what you have presented is once again 99%
assumption and 1% hyperbole.

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DavidP said:

digitaltourist said:

That is a hoot David. You are now concerned about the facts? Why
don't you take your own advice.

Anyway, no one would read that as literal as you did unless they
were looking for a red herring. Go ahead and try to change the
subject, however the intent of the post is still valid. You have
posted several times as an outspoken critic of the 10D focus and as
a result of propogated more rhetoric and hyperbole on this issue
than anyone else. That is a fact.

Beside, I never said that you had started any 10D sucks threads.
I simply asked that you get your facts straight before you start
another thread about focus issues. I agree that the wording is
vague, however I think you as well as everyone else understood that
the "another" in this context referered to the topic of the thread
and not necessarily to any other prior activity on your part.

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JamesM said:

Just because people say it does not make it true. I used both the
D60 (and 30 before that) and the 10d for wedding work. No question
in my mind that the 10d is much much much more responsive. AF is
faster and more accurate in every single situation.

The 10d is a phenominal camera....and I feel that I push it hard.

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digitaltourist said:

From what was posted the only thing we know is that they agreed
with the results. The rest is all speculation and editiorial.

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