I have a7ii. Does it make sense to buy a7Rii now, or wait?

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I love my a7ii, which I bought a year ago. It was a great step from my old A700. But I am still not quite happy with its use in the evening/at night. I am thinking about upgrading it to a7Rii, and I would certainly do it, but I wonder whether it is too late to do it now, if the next camera is to appear soon? Would it make a difference for images like that:

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Your photos look great. The a7rii would offer you marginal improvement.

The a7ii is a fine camera, especially if updated to the latest firmware (uncompressed RAW, and full PDAF support with adapters).

Unless 42mpixel, optical low pass filter, and 4k is important to you, I'd stick with and enjoy what you have.

If the a7rii didn't exist, the a7ii would be my next best option.

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I think Sony refresh cycles will become longer for a few reasons...

1. Earthquake damage to their main sensor facility has impacted Sony's sensor production.

2. The pace of innovation on mirrorless has been incredibly rapid over the last few years and naturally that will slow as it becomes more challenging and costly to eek out substantial improvements.

3. Sony will likely introduce a new flagship camera (a9?) that will raise the bar and then trickle down features from there to the a7 line. So even if you ignore the first two points and just believe this one, a new a9 is probably 3-6 months away, an a7III 6 months after that and a new a7rIII probably 6 months after that which would put it at least a year to 18 months away.
 
I like my A7II. If you don't have nice FE lenses yet, I would get some first.



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2. The pace of innovation on mirrorless has been incredibly rapid over the last few years and naturally that will slow as it becomes more challenging and costly to eek out substantial improvements.
I have at least some suspicion that they wanted to test the market for full-frame mirrorless with A7/A7R while still working out the issues with IBIS. Once it seemed like people were going to buy in - they went ahead and released mark ii, which solves a lot of the problems of the originals and also quite a bit sooner than most people expected.
 
What are you unhappy about with your pictures ? It's easier to help answer if you tells us more specifically what is bothering you in evening/night pictures.

If you don't have specific part of pictures you want to improve perhaps it's better to wait and keep using your A7II until you know what you want/need.
 
I like my A7II. If you don't have nice FE lenses yet, I would get some first.

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Wonderful image; I live in the area and know this church very well. Is it an HDR?

As for the lenses, I have 14mm Rokinon, 28mm , 55mm, and some legacy including 90mm Tamron macro.
 
What are you unhappy about with your pictures ? It's easier to help answer if you tells us more specifically what is bothering you in evening/night pictures.

If you don't have specific part of pictures you want to improve perhaps it's better to wait and keep using your A7II until you know what you want/need.
Thanks for the question. I feel that I would like to have less noise in dark areas, greater dynamical range, the possibility to do astrophotography, and being able to see tiny details on my retina iMac 27", to have an illusion of being there again.
 
I like my A7II. If you don't have nice FE lenses yet, I would get some first.

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Wonderful image; I live in the area and know this church very well. Is it an HDR?
No. Single exposure.
As for the lenses, I have 14mm Rokinon, 28mm , 55mm, and some legacy including 90mm Tamron macro.
A7RII is a great camera. Don't get me wrong. But if I were you, I would get some nice glasses first.



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I love my a7ii, which I bought a year ago. It was a great step from my old A700. But I am still not quite happy with its use in the evening/at night. I am thinking about upgrading it to a7Rii, and I would certainly do it, but I wonder whether it is too late to do it now, if the next camera is to appear soon? Would it make a difference for images like that:
I have both the A7ii and the A7rii. I dont think the A7rii brings much to the party to shots like these apart from the extra resolution of course.

Yes the A7rii is slightly better at higher isos, but the shots you show are basically shot at base iso and with a tripod - I just dont see the A7rii helping much at all here.

For a start I think your images look pretty good as is. But if you want to improve the image quality you could try a few things in the way you take these photos.

1) The first thing I would suggest is experimenting with taking different exposures for luminosity of the image instead of trying to fit it into a single exposure. If you expose for the highlights, almost by definition you are not going to maximise the exposure for the mid tones and shadows. And overexposing your highlights (as in image 3) effects the underlying IQ. Taking an exposure for the highlights and then a different exposure for the mid tones shadows enable you to increase the amount of light gathered for those tones often by 2 stops or more. You can then blend them in post. Even if you darken those tones in post there will be less noise.

2) I would also think about the timing of when you shoot the shots. (For instance image 3 was almost certainly taken a little too late in the day to get great IQ). More importantly, it is sometimes a good idea to shoot the mid tones and shadows earlier, wait 30 minutes or so and then shoot the highlights from the lights. Again you would have to blend the exposures in post (luminosity masking is great for this).

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I like my A7II. If you don't have nice FE lenses yet, I would get some first.

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Wonderful image; I live in the area and know this church very well. Is it an HDR?
No. Single exposure.
Wonderful! Quite often the light from above makes it a difficult shot in terms of dynamic range!
As for the lenses, I have 14mm Rokinon, 28mm , 55mm, and some legacy including 90mm Tamron macro.
A7RII is a great camera. Don't get me wrong. But if I were you, I would get some nice glasses first.
Thank you very much for the suggestion! But which glasses? My most used lenses are from 14mm to 55 mm, which explains my choice. Very rarely I use 90mm, and sometimes at home I do macro. Do you think that Batis 25 or 85, or recent Sony lenses, which are less travel-friendly, would make much difference as compared to 28 or 55, or it would give only some marginal improvement while waiting for the next generation of a7Rii?

 
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What are you unhappy about with your pictures ? It's easier to help answer if you tells us more specifically what is bothering you in evening/night pictures.

If you don't have specific part of pictures you want to improve perhaps it's better to wait and keep using your A7II until you know what you want/need.
Thanks for the question. I feel that I would like to have less noise in dark areas, greater dynamical range, the possibility to do astrophotography, and being able to see tiny details on my retina iMac 27", to have an illusion of being there again.
Well, the A7Rii is indeed better at higher ISO..in fact, if you down size a photo on the A7rii to 12MP to match the size of the A7Sii files then its comparable to the A7Sii up to ISO 51200!
You can go to 3:30 on this video if you want to see a test showing this:
Comparison video


But like someone said, since you are using a tripod and at base ISO then I dont see the A7Rii helping a lot personally. No local stores to rent one maybe?
 
What are you unhappy about with your pictures ? It's easier to help answer if you tells us more specifically what is bothering you in evening/night pictures.

If you don't have specific part of pictures you want to improve perhaps it's better to wait and keep using your A7II until you know what you want/need.
Thanks for the question. I feel that I would like to have less noise in dark areas, greater dynamical range, the possibility to do astrophotography, and being able to see tiny details on my retina iMac 27", to have an illusion of being there again.
Well, the A7Rii is indeed better at higher ISO..in fact, if you down size a photo on the A7rii to 12MP to match the size of the A7Sii files then its comparable to the A7Sii up to ISO 51200!
You can go to 3:30 on this video if you want to see a test showing this:
Comparison video
Thanks! Very informative!
But like someone said, since you are using a tripod and at base ISO then I dont see the A7Rii helping a lot personally. No local stores to rent one maybe?
 
I love my a7ii, which I bought a year ago. It was a great step from my old A700. But I am still not quite happy with its use in the evening/at night. I am thinking about upgrading it to a7Rii, and I would certainly do it, but I wonder whether it is too late to do it now, if the next camera is to appear soon? Would it make a difference for images like that:
I have both the A7ii and the A7rii. I dont think the A7rii brings much to the party to shots like these apart from the extra resolution of course.

Yes the A7rii is slightly better at higher isos, but the shots you show are basically shot at base iso and with a tripod - I just dont see the A7rii helping much at all here.

For a start I think your images look pretty good as is. But if you want to improve the image quality you could try a few things in the way you take these photos.

1) The first thing I would suggest is experimenting with taking different exposures for luminosity of the image instead of trying to fit it into a single exposure. If you expose for the highlights, almost by definition you are not going to maximise the exposure for the mid tones and shadows. And overexposing your highlights (as in image 3) effects the underlying IQ. Taking an exposure for the highlights and then a different exposure for the mid tones shadows enable you to increase the amount of light gathered for those tones often by 2 stops or more. You can then blend them in post. Even if you darken those tones in post there will be less noise.

2) I would also think about the timing of when you shoot the shots. (For instance image 3 was almost certainly taken a little too late in the day to get great IQ). More importantly, it is sometimes a good idea to shoot the mid tones and shadows earlier, wait 30 minutes or so and then shoot the highlights from the lights. Again you would have to blend the exposures in post (luminosity masking is great for this).

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Thanks a lot for the suggestions! Gorgeous images at Flickr!
 
I have and use both at the moment, and do not need anything more, expect to purchase better glass, to make use of the sensor. Nothing Sony can come out with in future generations currently will add to the more than i need capabilities of the 7ii and 7rii for me. I am finally done chasing bodies. YMMV.
 
I like my A7II. If you don't have nice FE lenses yet, I would get some first.

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Wonderful image; I live in the area and know this church very well. Is it an HDR?
No. Single exposure.
Wonderful! Quite often the light from above makes it a difficult shot in terms of dynamic range!
As for the lenses, I have 14mm Rokinon, 28mm , 55mm, and some legacy including 90mm Tamron macro.
A7RII is a great camera. Don't get me wrong. But if I were you, I would get some nice glasses first.
Thank you very much for the suggestion! But which glasses? My most used lenses are from 14mm to 55 mm, which explains my choice. Very rarely I use 90mm, and sometimes at home I do macro. Do you think that Batis 25 or 85, or recent Sony lenses, which are less travel-friendly, would make much difference as compared to 28 or 55, or it would give only some marginal improvement while waiting for the next generation of a7Rii?

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If I were you, I would get the FE16-35/F4. I have the FE28 and Batis 25. If you stop down, they are pretty close. I also have the Batis 85. I like it a lot and it is travel friendly.

The church photo is to demonstrate A7II's great dynamic range. The following image is to demo its high ISO performance.

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After I got my A7RII, my A7II is semi-permanently mounted with Sony 135mm F1.8. IMO, lenses are what make the pictures. Our A7II is good enough.

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I love my a7ii, which I bought a year ago. It was a great step from my old A700. But I am still not quite happy with its use in the evening/at night. I am thinking about upgrading it to a7Rii, and I would certainly do it, but I wonder whether it is too late to do it now, if the next camera is to appear soon? Would it make a difference for images like that:

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Something seems "off" about these photos. Great shots but they all look very soft or smeared to me and the 28mm is a superbly sharp lens. At base ISO I think they should be much sharper. Take a look at the picture another user posted below for reference (albeit with the 16-35mm). Are you shooting RAW or JPEG? Are you applying heavy noise reduction? I would recommend learning to process RAW if you haven't already. It makes a world of difference. Also, are you turning off IBIS when on a tripod? If not, this can cause issues. Great pictures but they should be much sharper IMO. Here are two examples of low light pictures I've taken with my now sold A6000, the first handheld with the Rokinon 12mm f2 at ISO 1600, the second a 10 second exposure on a small tripod with an adapted Canon 10-18mm STM:



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I love my a7ii, which I bought a year ago. It was a great step from my old A700. But I am still not quite happy with its use in the evening/at night. I am thinking about upgrading it to a7Rii, and I would certainly do it, but I wonder whether it is too late to do it now, if the next camera is to appear soon? Would it make a difference for images like that:

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At this time, if possible, I would wait - The A7RIII will be surelly annouced in less than one year time - I'm guessing, but I estimate at the end of 2016 or beginning of 2017 ... ;)

All the best,
Pedro
 
I love my a7ii, which I bought a year ago. It was a great step from my old A700. But I am still not quite happy with its use in the evening/at night. I am thinking about upgrading it to a7Rii, and I would certainly do it, but I wonder whether it is too late to do it now, if the next camera is to appear soon? Would it make a difference for images like that:

23036884214_488ac3ce62_o.jpg


22210275626_68304171ed_o.jpg


23464621340_114ecb5ee7_o.jpg
Something seems "off" about these photos. Great shots but they all look very soft or smeared to me and the 28mm is a superbly sharp lens. At base ISO I think they should be much sharper. Take a look at the picture another user posted below for reference (albeit with the 16-35mm). Are you shooting RAW or JPEG? Are you applying heavy noise reduction? I would recommend learning to process RAW if you haven't already. It makes a world of difference. Also, are you turning off IBIS when on a tripod? If not, this can cause issues. Great pictures but they should be much sharper IMO. Here are two examples of low light pictures I've taken with my now sold A6000, the first handheld with the Rokinon 12mm f2 at ISO 1600, the second a 10 second exposure on a small tripod with an adapted Canon 10-18mm STM:

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Thank you so much for your comments and suggestions! As for sharpness for the last two image, where softness is much easier to spot, the answer may be quite simple: I did not use the tripod, I just placed the camera on something solid and hold it tight, which is an imperfect solution. And then I cropped the image. As for the first image, old paint of the walls did not look attractive so I actually used noise reduction. But I appreciate your comments: I am still learning...
 
For landscape such as the (great) ones that you do, I would say that you're going to MF your shots anyway, so no - the A7RII won't make a big difference.

If you're looking to good low-light AF to capture action shots, then yes it will (with a fast prime).
 

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