New FLM CP-TRAVEL tripod announced!

Yes, we're all waiting to see and feel and use the CP-Travel, which can't come soon enough. In the meantime, I can say a few things based on my past work with FLM and based on the prototype tripod I've had these last few weeks:
  • the tripod will be built to last, as are all our products, and the 10-year warranty means business
  • the CP-Travel is a rigid and stable platform, given the design limitations placed upon it in order to become a very compact but strong tripod
  • any DSLR/SLR/MF/MFDB/4x5 camera owner will have a very steady and reliable tripod that is also eminently travel-friendly
  • The small but dedicated team at FLM in Germany would never let a tripod out of its factory if they didn't think it was the best product possible
If anyone would like to know anything specific about the tripod, or have me post a photo of it being used in a particular way, just let me know. I still have the prototype with me. Thanks
 
Hello, Paul.

Please see my replies below; as you know, these things are often very much a personal decision based on specific needs and experience, and I understand your thoughts on this, but I will answer a few of your comments which may be of help to others who read this and are yet undecided.
Not sure i see what's so unique with this tripod ?

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Regards
Paul L.
"Unique" might be in the eye of the beholder.
True
For myself, This tripod is unique because it has the latest FLM engineering and materials, and I need a travel tripod which fits in my carry-on bag to replace a Sirui which is too short and wobbly.
Well i don't see any engineering features that is unique either.

Could be i expected something unique due to the "crowd funding", as they often pop up as a solution to a problem no body solved yet.
I have 3 tripod kits - heavy duty, medium, and travel. During the past year,
I don't use travel tripods, but i do have 5 CF tripods from Gitzo and Sirui.

Given the spec's i can at least find one Sirui and one Gitzo that will match the fore mentioned tripod.

Options is however good, and im sure the FLM is excellent just as Gitzo and Sirui are.
The Sirui tripod I am replacing is the T-1205X. It is a good tripod for what it is, and folds up slightly shorter and is nearly one pound lighter than this FLM Traveler, but it is about the same folded circumference. So, volume-wise, these are nearly the same, and both fit in my carry-on (I don't check my bags, even on international flights).

However, as I said, for my specific needs I find it lacking in a couple of areas:

1. Working Height. Without the column extended, the FLM is 4 inches taller, which is enough of a difference to really help my back (old injury), and by removing the column on the FLM it is 5 inches taller than the Siriu with short column. This is significant for my back situation, as I have tested the improvement at these heights using my larger tripods. Not nearly as tall as my larger tripods can ultimately get to: a Gitzo GT3532LS and an RRS TVC-24L, but when I say "travel", I mean for my air travel, which is always an equipment compromise for me, but better than having no tripod, and I'd like the best possible within my size constraints.

2. Stability. The Sirui is what it is -- a lighter, shorter tripod. However, many factors affect stability which the FLM Traveler addresses, albeit also at the cost of some folded length and overall weight:

The Sirui leg locks seem well-designed, but I would still give the edge to Gitzo and RRS for operation and stability of their leg locks, and from what I have seen and read online, the FLM locks appear to be at least as good as the Gitzo and RRS. All other things being equal, longer leg locks/ leg section overlap should result in a joint with less flex, and the length of the FLM lock collars appear to be the same as for their larger tripods, longer than the Sirui but the tradeoff being slightly longer folded length and weight, OK for me. Besides, the additional weight appears to be distributed across the tripod length (heavier apex, thicker-walled/ heavier leg sections, longer and heavier locking collars). Note that the plastic leg lock sleeves are a new, one-piece design. Assuming that FLM have done a good job here, this greatly simplifies maintenance... I do not look forward to re-assembling the leg sections on any of my other tripods, but as you know this is sometimes a part of normal maintenance.

FLM's apex design seems to be the same as their CP26 series tripods -- this is more substantial than my Sirui, but also contributes to the overall stability. The FLM design allows for complete removal of the center column, which in my experience is always better than simply lowering the column. My Siriu does include a short column, but this still means an additional joint which may ultimately contribute to at least a little instability.
I have slowly replaced my RRS and Acratech ball heads with 3 FLM ball heads for these kits, as I was so impressed with the FLM head performance, quality, and features. Not that the the RRS and Acratech were not good heads, but for me the FLM are just that much better.
What exactly are so much better on the FLM ballheads ?
Compared to my experience with my many years Acratech GP, RRS BH-30 (and corroborated by some of DP Review's own ball head reviews), there is much less shift when locking down any of my FLM ball heads -- I now own CB-48FTR, Leica Ball Head 38 (same design and manufactured by FLM as CB-38FTR), and CB-32F. I also prefer the friction set system on all of my FLM ball heads, and on the two larger heads I like the 1) panning lock/ detent feature which helps in tightening and removal of the head, and for some pano situations, and also 2) the extra knob which locks all but vertical adjustment of the ball, which speeds up and simplifies many of my setups.
Im not impressed by ballheads in general, name the P0 which is about the fastest ballhead i owned and used.
I'm still OK with my "old" Gitzo and RRS legs for my larger kits, but as I said my travel legs are lacking, and given my experience with FLM and this new opportunity, the FLM CP-Travel is my unique solution.
Sounds like a good fit for you.
Having said that, in my research the only other competition under my consideration were the Gitzo GT1555T and GT1545T. You may compare specs and pricing, but given my experience in owning and handling products from both companies, even not considering price I would favor the FLM.

Cheers,

-Dennis
Im quite sure there are several options from several manufacturer that fit the spec's.
That simply fit the specs, yes, but for my needs and from my experience and perspective, no -- need to fit more than just the specs on paper. I have also owned Benro and MeFoto tripods, and have handled some others, so I have a wide experience. Having been an avid photographer for the past 50 years, I also find myself to be less flexible than I used to be! ;)
 
My personal test of this tripod will be with my D800 and the Tamron 150-600. The weight is not huge at ~6.5 lbs. Weight should not be a factor with this setup. The real challenge will be the dampening factor of five leg joints and the CF. A 600mm can show up most anything. Even touching the camera and/or lens.

No, I won't be using my 200-400 f/4 on this tripod.
 
My personal test of this tripod will be with my D800 and the Tamron 150-600. The weight is not huge at ~6.5 lbs. Weight should not be a factor with this setup. The real challenge will be the dampening factor of five leg joints and the CF. A 600mm can show up most anything. Even touching the camera and/or lens.

No, I won't be using my 200-400 f/4 on this tripod.
 
Hello, Paul.

Please see my replies below; as you know, these things are often very much a personal decision based on specific needs and experience, and I understand your thoughts on this, but I will answer a few of your comments which may be of help to others who read this and are yet undecided.
Thanx for taking the time.
The Sirui tripod I am replacing is the T-1205X. It is a good tripod for what it is, and folds up slightly shorter and is nearly one pound lighter than this FLM Traveler, but it is about the same folded circumference. So, volume-wise, these are nearly the same, and both fit in my carry-on (I don't check my bags, even on international flights).

However, as I said, for my specific needs I find it lacking in a couple of areas:

1. Working Height. Without the column extended, the FLM is 4 inches taller, which is enough of a difference to really help my back (old injury), and by removing the column on the FLM it is 5 inches taller than the Siriu with short column. This is significant for my back situation, as I have tested the improvement at these heights using my larger tripods. Not nearly as tall as my larger tripods can ultimately get to: a Gitzo GT3532LS and an RRS TVC-24L, but when I say "travel", I mean for my air travel, which is always an equipment compromise for me, but better than having no tripod, and I'd like the best possible within my size constraints.

2. Stability. The Sirui is what it is -- a lighter, shorter tripod. However, many factors affect stability which the FLM Traveler addresses, albeit also at the cost of some folded length and overall weight:
Sirui has the T-2205X which pretty much addresses the issues you had with the smaller T-1205X

I had their N-2205x but returned it since tripods with more then 4 sections apparently brings out the worst in me... :-)

So i have some experience with their smaller tripods, the smallest i own now is the NX-3203X
The Sirui leg locks seem well-designed, but I would still give the edge to Gitzo and RRS for operation and stability of their leg locks, and from what I have seen and read online, the FLM locks appear to be at least as good as the Gitzo and RRS. All other things being equal, longer leg locks/ leg section overlap should result in a joint with less flex, and the length of the FLM lock collars appear to be the same as for their larger tripods, longer than the Sirui but the tradeoff being slightly longer folded length and weight, OK for me.
I have both Gitzo Systematic 5 series and Sirui RX series Tripods, different locks, but they both do the job excellent.

Longer leg locks is nice, but a leg diameter of only 12mm.. will still be a weaker point imo.
Besides, the additional weight appears to be distributed across the tripod length (heavier apex, thicker-walled/ heavier leg sections, longer and heavier locking collars). Note that the plastic leg lock sleeves are a new, one-piece design. Assuming that FLM have done a good job here, this greatly simplifies maintenance... I do not look forward to re-assembling the leg sections on any of my other tripods, but as you know this is sometimes a part of normal maintenance.

FLM's apex design seems to be the same as their CP26 series tripods -- this is more substantial than my Sirui, but also contributes to the overall stability. The FLM design allows for complete removal of the center column, which in my experience is always better than simply lowering the column. My Siriu does include a short column, but this still means an additional joint which may ultimately contribute to at least a little instability.
If the Apex is the same design as CP26 i very much doubt the added rigidity compared to a design such the Sirui T-2205X or similar.

The design in terms of joints isn't much different, you still screw on the top plate, and a bolt connects it.

Given the weight capacity in this segment, there won't be enough load to make a difference in flex etc.
Compared to my experience with my many years Acratech GP, RRS BH-30 (and corroborated by some of DP Review's own ball head reviews), there is much less shift when locking down any of my FLM ball heads -- I now own CB-48FTR, Leica Ball Head 38 (same design and manufactured by FLM as CB-38FTR), and CB-32F. I also prefer the friction set system on all of my FLM ball heads, and on the two larger heads I like the 1) panning lock/ detent feature which helps in tightening and removal of the head, and for some pano situations, and also 2) the extra knob which locks all but vertical adjustment of the ball, which speeds up and simplifies many of my setups.
For really long lenses the CB-58 seems to be class leading, and their tilt lock is interesting. Though if im after precision i use a geared head.

I'm still OK with my "old" Gitzo and RRS legs for my larger kits, but as I said my travel legs are lacking, and given my experience with FLM and this new opportunity, the FLM CP-Travel is my unique solution.
Again sounds like a good fit for you!

I'm sure you will be pleased with it.
That simply fit the specs, yes, but for my needs and from my experience and perspective, no -- need to fit more than just the specs on paper. I have also owned Benro and MeFoto tripods, and have handled some others, so I have a wide experience. Having been an avid photographer for the past 50 years, I also find myself to be less flexible than I used to be! ;)
:-)
 
Sounds like a great test. Will you only be using ball heads for your testing, as am I?
 
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"Sirui has the T-2205X which pretty much addresses the issues you had with the smaller T-1205X"

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Interestingly, the Sirui USA distributor does not import or support the T-2205X tripod, which was my original preference...

Thank you, also, for taking the time to write your informative replies.
 
Yea i'v noticed Sirui lineup is a bit limited in the states. Here in Sweden they are readily available, but they also cost more.

BTW will probably add the CB-48FT, if not only for the Tilt lock.

Thanx!
 
Yes, only ball heads, the CB-32F and the Leica Ball Head 38 (same as CB-38FTR) with an AS clamp.

I have a small Jobu gimbal, but would never use it on the Traveler tripod.
My thoughts also. No point in testing a head on the legs, if it's not practical to use the head in the field.
 
Yes, we're all waiting to see and feel and use the CP-Travel, which can't come soon enough. In the meantime, I can say a few things based on my past work with FLM and based on the prototype tripod I've had these last few weeks:
  • the tripod will be built to last, as are all our products, and the 10-year warranty means business
  • the CP-Travel is a rigid and stable platform, given the design limitations placed upon it in order to become a very compact but strong tripod
  • any DSLR/SLR/MF/MFDB/4x5 camera owner will have a very steady and reliable tripod that is also eminently travel-friendly
  • The small but dedicated team at FLM in Germany would never let a tripod out of its factory if they didn't think it was the best product possible
If anyone would like to know anything specific about the tripod, or have me post a photo of it being used in a particular way, just let me know. I still have the prototype with me. Thanks
This comes at the right time, as I am looking to get a good pair of travel legs. My question is about the head, does it include the PRS technology for panoramas?
 
The as a perk offered ball head in the campaign, the CB-32F, does not have the PRS function, also not as an option. To get the PRS, or also the Tilt function, you will need to go for the CB-38F(TR) ball head or bigger.

The CP Travel tripod uses the same apex, upper leg section diameters and base plate as the CP26 series tripods. I owe the CP26-L4S legs together with the CB-38FTR ball head. One of the small issues with this really great setup is the fact that the knob for the PRS function will collide with a tripod leg when the legs are in the reverse folded position. No major problem at all, normally no damage will be done and the legs still fold down nearly to the maximum, but nevertheless good to know and potentially to consider.

Maybe have a look in here regarding specs and features of the FLM ball heads:
http://www.flmcanada.com/ball-heads.html

Ari, feel free to correct me if I miss something new in here regarding the CP Tarvel tripod.

Saludos

Herbert
 
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Hi Tarun,

Thank you very much; the head that is in the tripod kit is a CB-32F, it has pan and friction knobs. It's a smaller and more basic ball head.

To get the PRS function, where you can have audible and tactile clicks at every 15˚ in panning mode, you'll need to use a CB-38FTR, which works very well with the CP-Travel (photos of it on the tripod are posted on the Indiegogo page).

The "R" in "FTR" refers to the function you're looking for. Any of our ball heads with the "FTR" designation offer the 15˚ stops, but the CB-38FTR is the most compact of those ball heads.

Thank you
 
Herbert, that's perfect; nothing better than a real customer review.

I'll just point out that the CP-Travel's apex will undergo some minor changes between now and actual production; these changes would be more in keeping with the way a travel tripod is used, as well as providing additional strength from a leaner apex design.

More details as I get them, that's what I was told earlier this morning.

Thanks!
 
Hi Tarun,

Thank you very much; the head that is in the tripod kit is a CB-32F, it has pan and friction knobs. It's a smaller and more basic ball head.

To get the PRS function, where you can have audible and tactile clicks at every 15˚ in panning mode, you'll need to use a CB-38FTR, which works very well with the CP-Travel (photos of it on the tripod are posted on the Indiegogo page).

The "R" in "FTR" refers to the function you're looking for. Any of our ball heads with the "FTR" designation offer the 15˚ stops, but the CB-38FTR is the most compact of those ball heads.

Thank you
Thanks Ari. I just backed the tripod only option. Hope to have this product soon in my hands and play with it. This will be my first CF tripod purchase ever.
 
Sorry 3dwag this is not a reply to you but a general post to all. DPR forces me to reply to somebody.

I read this forum all the time. I've been following it for years now. I have no idea how many posts I've seen for people looking for a small, light weight, stable tripod.

Since nobody has this exact tripod at the moment, it's hard to swear that it is the best small, light weight, stable tripod that exits.

I bought into the project because of two people. Of course there is Ari but I've also read a number of reviews by Mark Banas on heads/tripods and FLM always comes out on the top or near the top. I trust both of these people.

If your looking for a small, light weight, stable tripod, cheap tripod. It probably does not exist but if your only looking for the first three, this is a pretty good bet and still at a substantial savings. Only 14 left at the $425 USD price.

I'm betting on FLM to come across.

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I'm a photo hacker. I use my expensive equipment to destroy anything in front of my camera. This is a special skill that can never be realized by low life photographers. A nurtured skill since the 1970's.
 
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Hi Tarun,

Thank you very much; the head that is in the tripod kit is a CB-32F, it has pan and friction knobs. It's a smaller and more basic ball head.

To get the PRS function, where you can have audible and tactile clicks at every 15˚ in panning mode, you'll need to use a CB-38FTR, which works very well with the CP-Travel (photos of it on the tripod are posted on the Indiegogo page).

The "R" in "FTR" refers to the function you're looking for. Any of our ball heads with the "FTR" designation offer the 15˚ stops, but the CB-38FTR is the most compact of those ball heads.

Thank you
Thanks Ari. I just backed the tripod only option. Hope to have this product soon in my hands and play with it. This will be my first CF tripod purchase ever.
 
Herbert, that's perfect; nothing better than a real customer review.

I'll just point out that the CP-Travel's apex will undergo some minor changes between now and actual production; these changes would be more in keeping with the way a travel tripod is used, as well as providing additional strength from a leaner apex design.

More details as I get them, that's what I was told earlier this morning.

Thanks!
Hola Ari,

thanks a a lot for the information. Let's see what FLM comes up with regarding the stated improvements.

Will then definitely be interesting to compare the CP Travel vs the CP26-L4S legs!

Saludos

Herbert
 
3dwag,

Thanks for the very helpful information. I currently have the MeFoto Roadtrip which has somewhat similar specs to the new FLM. Originally I bought it used at a great price and planned to sell it once I chose a better system. But it has been great--even with a D750 and 70-200 (and larger). The only limitations I have found is the need to use timer/remote due to a few seconds of vibration and long-exposure astrophotography hasn't turned out well (me or tripod?).

I really respect the apparent quality of FLM (and RRS, etc) and would love to own one of these fine products. I'm completely sold on the superior materials and durability. In the end, though, I always decide my money is better spent on glass.

I'm a novice with tripods and, since you mentioned having used MeFoto, my question is what might I notice in use that would be better with FLM heads and legs? Are there situations in which the better tripods can help you get a shot that you could not get with the MeFoto? (I want to be sold but not sure I understand the differences.)

Thanks!
 

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