Is Canon purposely not giving us the best processing they can with the the 7D MkII?

Take a look at the comparison photos from Dpreviews test scene. Notice the difference in processing between the 7DII and the 6D. Also notice the processing between the 7DII and the Nikon D500. I picked files with ISOs that were equal or worse than the 7DII files. Notice the Jpegs are cleaner in the other cameras even though the raw files are worse. I think Canon owes us 7DII owners a firmware update soon. What do you think?

Shannon76 said:

Take a look at the comparison photos from Dpreviews test scene. Notice the difference in processing between the 7DII and the 6D. Also notice the processing between the 7DII and the Nikon D500. I picked files with ISOs that were equal or worse than the 7DII files. Notice the Jpegs are cleaner in the other cameras even though the raw files are worse. I think Canon owes us 7DII owners a firmware update soon. What do you think?

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All a bit pointless unless you have set up the jpgs to the same parameters on all cameras and then use the same ISO setting for each shot. Have you thought of using a lower ISO to enable cleaner photographs?

Shannon76 said:

Take a look at the comparison photos from Dpreviews test scene. Notice the difference in processing between the 7DII and the 6D. Also notice the processing between the 7DII and the Nikon D500. I picked files with ISOs that were equal or worse than the 7DII files. Notice the Jpegs are cleaner in the other cameras even though the raw files are worse. I think Canon owes us 7DII owners a firmware update soon. What do you think?

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The Canon 6D and 7DII have a similar number of pixels, but the pixels on the 7DII are smaller (in order to fit them all onto a smaller sensor).

It should not be surprising that the smaller pixels of the 7DII exhibit more noise than the larger pixels of the 6D.

If you don't need to preserve detail (such as when shooting color chip targets) one can use more aggressive noise reduction algorithms. These can dramatically reduce noise but can also dramatically reduce fine details.

You missed my point. These are Dpreview's controlled test shots. I took the Raws and jpegs of the 6D at 12800ISO and the 7DII at 3200ISO. And then the Nikon's Raws and Jpegs. The raws from the 6D at 12800 are worse than the 7DII at 3200 so when processed in camera the jpegs from the 7DII should look better right? Better raw file, better jpeg. But that isn't the case. It appears Canon isn't processing the files the same. The same with the Nikon test shots. They are slightly worse at 6400 than 7D2 at 3200 yet the camera produces better jpegs from noisier raws. The 6D example is a bit more apples to apples since we are talking Canon in both cases. The jpeg processing should be better in the 7DII with newer and faster tech?

See my last reply to Gandolphi. I wasn't comparing the cameras at the same ISOs. I was comparing the in-camera processing of the two cameras where the 6D starts with a noisier raw yet produces a slightly better jpeg file in camera. This is 6D @ ISO12800 vs 7DII@ISO3200. I understand what you are saying regarding pixel pitch. That isn't my concern. I just think canon is cheating us in the processing department.

There is no objective measure for overall "best" processing - it is a set of trade-offs.

Joe

Maybe "There is no objective measure for overall "best" processing", but I am just comparing noise here. When I start processing a raws in photoshop the ones that are better to start off with usually end up looking better in the end. That isn't the case with Canon's jpeg processing it seems.

Maybe someone who owns both cameras can chime in on real world results. Should I never use Canon's jpeg processing? Is there a better way to batch process CR2s that I don't want to slave over in Photoshop?

One camera has more default noise reduction, and less sharpness. Results as expected. You want more noise, add more filtering. The Canon 7D has 4-different levels of in-camera Noise Reduction. What's the big deal?

Shannon76 said:

Maybe "There is no objective measure for overall "best" processing", but I am just comparing noise here. When I start processing a raws in photoshop the ones that are better to start off with usually end up looking better in the end. That isn't the case with Canon's jpeg processing it seems.

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Then you should specify "least noise" not "best processing". Sometimes I am willing to put up with noise to retain detail; sometimes I want more noise reduction at the expense of detail. As I said, it is all trade-offs.

Joe

I doubt seriously canon is holding back. I imagine they're doing the best they can. The Sony sensor just seems superior.