Why is Canada so expensive?

Just kidding of course, couldn't pass up the chance for a joke.

Ted
Sorry if this is off-topic, but...

I've only really checked out Canon gear, but I would assume that
this holds true for the other companies too. Anyway, yeah, so why
is camera gear so much more expensive in Canada?

In Toronto I've found the cheapest place to be Aden Camera.
However, when compared to American shops such as B&H, the prices at
Aden are just plain ridiculous! We're talking over 25% more!

While I'd like to support the local economy, I can't help but feel
ripped off if I buy Canadian. I'm seriously considering taking a
road trip down to Buffalo to pick up a 10D.
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To support social welfare as I know, Canada is more likely a
socialist country than USA.
Actually that argument doesn't hold water at all. If that were the case, the duties paid on importing the camera would negate the price difference (sales taxes aside).

Since that is not the case, then it would seem that either Canon Canada is making a bundle on these or the retailer is.

When I worked in a camera store 20 years ago, the joke was that if the customer didn't buy a filter and paid with a credit card, you wouldn't make a profit on the sale of a new camera. I imagine that is still the case. (It would seem to be based on you followup)

So where is the price difference going?

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Bob Roy
 
this Mack camera has a web site?

I purchased my body through Borderfree and eCost, so I paid GST and whatever duties there were. Even with that, I saved $700 over buying local. My body has a full USA/Canadian warranty card included which I really liked. Pretty much all my photo gear is from the US because of the price difference. They only time I bought local was when they had a refurbished Canon S20 digicam for a really good price on boxing day. I plan on buying a Canon 28-135 IS USM lense next. Locally, it's listed at $799, so I plan on buying from the US and saving around $200.
I know exactly what you mean. I live just outside Toronto and when
I decided to make the switch from my Minolta film and digital
cameras to a new Canon 10D system with lenses, 550 flash and other
accessories, the savings from buying in the US vs locally were
simply too great to ignore. I literally saved thousands of dollars
on my new Canon system.

Just for your information, here's a list of what I bought:
16-35mm F2.8 L zoom lens
100mm 2.8 macro lens
70-200 F4 L zoom lens (with tripod collar)
Lens shades for the above lenses
spare BP-511 Li-Ion battery
Canon electronic shutter cable (fancey one cost $130? at B&H)
Domke original bag to hold everything
550 EX flash
Viking 1GB compact flash card
and a few other things I can't think of right now.

The only thing I bought locally was the 10D body. I bought locally
for two reasons. Firstly, a local shop had the foresight to order
10 bodies and I was able to pick it up the first day the camera was
available in Canada. I think I was among the first people
worldwide to get a 10D. Secondly, I wanted a Canadian Warranty.
My thinking at the time (April 2003) was lenses are very durable
but electronics can be fussy. I didn't want to go through the fuss
of international shipping in case there was a problem with the body.

As a quick side note, The lenses I ordered were all gray market and
as a result, the didn't come with Canon US warranties. This was a
choice I made to further enhance the savings. The lenses instead
came with a full 3 year international warranty from Mack camera.
About 2 weeks after I got my 16-35mm F2.8 L lens, the electronics
in the lens died. I took the lens to Canon Canada's head office
for a quote, and called Mack to advise them of the situation. The
repair bill was about $300 Canadian (to replace the electronics
circuit). I called Mack and again advised them, and they took care
of everything. They paid Canon Canada directly and in about 2
weeks, I had my lens back. I can't say enough good things about
Mack. Their service was superb. I still have 2.7 years warranty
left on my lenses!

As I mentioned previously, I literally saved thousands of dollars
on my new equipment. As a Canadian, and because the order was
destained to be shipped out of New York state, there were no state
taxes charged. I picked up my equipment in Niagara Falls New York
(where I had everything shipped to) and drove them back to Canada.
I'm not going to state whether or not I declared anything at the
border, but I'll let you be the judge of that. Saving thousands is
pretty good for a day's work, eh?

Now, there are many who say I should have supported my local
dealer. This is a good point but I don't wake up and go to work
every morning for my local dealer. Before I can support anyone
else, I need to support myself, and I'm still struggling here!
Besides, the prices are more governed by Canon Canada than anything
else. Taxes are another issue, but they generally don't affect the
wholesale prices. Canon simply charges their Canadian retailers
more than they do, the "big" US stores. If it weren't for the
savings, I simply could not have afforded to buy everything that I
bought, as quickly as I did. I also don't think Canon
International cares where they sell their products, as long as they
get sold. As far as I know, Canon Canada is wholelly owned by
Conon Japan. Likewise for other countries.

Of note, when I was shopping around, Canon equipment was as high in
most camera shops in the US, as they were in Canada. Try buying a
10D in Nebraska or Wyoming. Sure B&H and others sell at great
prices, but they also buy at great prices and are able to pass
those savings along to their customers.

My recommendations is to buy locally if the savings are negiable.
You owe it to yourself to look after your own bottom line, and not
someone else's!
 
you have to pay for everyone elses way through life. .

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Clint Smith
Tinker Photography
If God is love, and love is blind . . . Ray Charles must be God!
 
Sorry if this is off-topic, but...

I've only really checked out Canon gear, but I would assume that
this holds true for the other companies too. Anyway, yeah, so why
is camera gear so much more expensive in Canada?

In Toronto I've found the cheapest place to be Aden Camera.
However, when compared to American shops such as B&H, the prices at
Aden are just plain ridiculous! We're talking over 25% more!

While I'd like to support the local economy, I can't help but feel
ripped off if I buy Canadian. I'm seriously considering taking a
road trip down to Buffalo to pick up a 10D.
Don't understand why Cameras are so expensive here in Canada but....

Cars are another story. New automobiles are much cheaper here in Canada.

Automobile manufacturers are threatening to not honor warranties for folks who come from the United States and purchase a new vehicle here in Canada. Some border states are even trying to outlaw such purchases as it hurts local American automobile dealers in border towns!

Wish the same could be said for Camera’s and equipment!

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Seb D
Moncton NB Canada
 
I think the Mack Camera he's referring to is located at http://www.mackcam.com but I could be wrong. In any case, that Mack Camera offers a nice extended warranty through numerous American retailers. From what I understand, you don't even have to buy the gear at one of those retailers; you just buy a warranty. This is of interest to me, and probably others, because it'd be ideal for grey market goods.

Does anyone know if any business in the Toronto area sells some kind of extended warranty like this?
this Mack camera has a web site?

I purchased my body through Borderfree and eCost, so I paid GST and
whatever duties there were. Even with that, I saved $700 over
buying local. My body has a full USA/Canadian warranty card
included which I really liked. Pretty much all my photo gear is
from the US because of the price difference. They only time I
bought local was when they had a refurbished Canon S20 digicam for
a really good price on boxing day. I plan on buying a Canon 28-135
IS USM lense next. Locally, it's listed at $799, so I plan on
buying from the US and saving around $200.
 
Sorry if this is off-topic, but...

I've only really checked out Canon gear, but I would assume that
this holds true for the other companies too. Anyway, yeah, so why
is camera gear so much more expensive in Canada?

In Toronto I've found the cheapest place to be Aden Camera.
However, when compared to American shops such as B&H, the prices at
Aden are just plain ridiculous! We're talking over 25% more!

While I'd like to support the local economy, I can't help but feel
ripped off if I buy Canadian. I'm seriously considering taking a
road trip down to Buffalo to pick up a 10D.
Fobtastic,

It's supposedly a free trade zone between US, Canada & Mexico, so take advantage of it and be a prudent shopper. Do your homework and buy from whomever you want bearing in mind customer service as well as price.

I buy a fair bit of equipment from the US but I always give a few retailers in Quebec a chance to quote first. In fact Dumoulin was able to beat the delivered price of a 10D compared to B&H back in February so I bought from them.

It seems like the Americans are being gouged on certain items (cars, prescription drugs, lumber) because of powerful lobby groups in that country.

Doug
 
Sorry if this is off-topic, but...

I've only really checked out Canon gear, but I would assume that
this holds true for the other companies too. Anyway, yeah, so why
is camera gear so much more expensive in Canada?

In Toronto I've found the cheapest place to be Aden Camera.
I don't think it's that much worse here...

Random sample (10D as I just purchased one here)

Canon 10D B&H $1499.00 approx 2398.00 CDN

CANON 10D Vistek (Toronto and Calgary) $2499 (web price, slightly negotiable in the stores)
Canon 10D The Camera Store Calgary $2425.00
I bought mine for $2399 CDN in Calgary

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Equipment list in profile
 
Thanks for the tip. Don't get me wrong, I've been shopping around Toronto like crazy, searching for the best quote. I found one good deal, but it's still considerably more than what some of the more popular US outlets are offering.

Is http://www.dumoulin.com the same Dumoulin that you're talking about?
Fobtastic,

It's supposedly a free trade zone between US, Canada & Mexico, so
take advantage of it and be a prudent shopper. Do your homework
and buy from whomever you want bearing in mind customer service as
well as price.

I buy a fair bit of equipment from the US but I always give a few
retailers in Quebec a chance to quote first. In fact Dumoulin was
able to beat the delivered price of a 10D compared to B&H back in
February so I bought from them.

It seems like the Americans are being gouged on certain items
(cars, prescription drugs, lumber) because of powerful lobby groups
in that country.

Doug
 
Actually the price difference is quite considerable:

Go to http://www.bizrate.com and search for the 10D, you’ll find price’s ranging from $1499 to 1129.

http://bizrate.com/,mss__cat_id--402,prod_id--7386572,rf--wgg,title--Canon%2010d.html

Don’t go for the 1129 deal because is some stupid a*s company that sells just the body and nothing else, not even warranty. Plus they have horrible customer rating on bizrate.

So lets say we chose a fairly trustworthy retailer with a good price: $1379

Go to http://www.xe.com & convert it from $1379 US to CDN = $1922.

My local shop and any other place I’ve searched sells the 10D for a standard price of CDN $2499.

So, I’m saving a total of $577 buy ordering from the United States. To me, having a limited camera budget due to powers above me that seem to be ruling the household these day’s (i.e - the wife), $577 is quite a chunk of change! But hay, if you have $577 you don’t seem to care about blowing, email me, I’ll be more than happy to help ya spend it!

Cheers,

Seb D
Moncton, NB CANADA
Sorry if this is off-topic, but...

I've only really checked out Canon gear, but I would assume that
this holds true for the other companies too. Anyway, yeah, so why
is camera gear so much more expensive in Canada?

In Toronto I've found the cheapest place to be Aden Camera.
I don't think it's that much worse here...

Random sample (10D as I just purchased one here)

Canon 10D B&H $1499.00 approx 2398.00 CDN

CANON 10D Vistek (Toronto and Calgary) $2499 (web price, slightly
negotiable in the stores)
Canon 10D The Camera Store Calgary $2425.00
I bought mine for $2399 CDN in Calgary

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'To not quite infinity!' -- Buzz Frontfocus
Equipment list in profile
 
I like Canada and my wife is Canadian but there are several reasons for this...

in Ontario,

7% Government Sales Tax
7% Provincial Sales Tax

A poor economy

almost 40% income tax

and a socialist type government that is trying to pay for every program under the sun (read Healthcare).

Somebody has to cover the cost it might as well be taxable goods...

I won't even go in to the Duty.

Remember also, you don't have to pay tax when you the Internet and these companies in the US probably deal in a much larger volume.
 
Sure we can, we've done it! They have to generate a title in the US for it but it can be done.
Sorry if this is off-topic, but...

I've only really checked out Canon gear, but I would assume that
this holds true for the other companies too. Anyway, yeah, so why
is camera gear so much more expensive in Canada?

In Toronto I've found the cheapest place to be Aden Camera.
However, when compared to American shops such as B&H, the prices at
Aden are just plain ridiculous! We're talking over 25% more!

While I'd like to support the local economy, I can't help but feel
ripped off if I buy Canadian. I'm seriously considering taking a
road trip down to Buffalo to pick up a 10D.
 
it's almost 1.6! The Canadian dollar is worth .71 cents US right now...assuming a credit card will get you 1.4, that's 2098.00 dollars for the 10D.
Sorry if this is off-topic, but...

I've only really checked out Canon gear, but I would assume that
this holds true for the other companies too. Anyway, yeah, so why
is camera gear so much more expensive in Canada?

In Toronto I've found the cheapest place to be Aden Camera.
I don't think it's that much worse here...

Random sample (10D as I just purchased one here)

Canon 10D B&H $1499.00 approx 2398.00 CDN

CANON 10D Vistek (Toronto and Calgary) $2499 (web price, slightly
negotiable in the stores)
Canon 10D The Camera Store Calgary $2425.00
I bought mine for $2399 CDN in Calgary

--
'To not quite infinity!' -- Buzz Frontfocus
Equipment list in profile
 
Actually the price difference is quite considerable:
Go to http://www.xe.com & convert it from $1379 US to CDN = $1922.
That exchange rate is out to lunch, but we'll leave it that you're saving $577.

Now add shipping, including brokerage fee to clear customs. If they ship it UPS, it's gonna be $60.00 likely.

Yes you're still saving some. Now, if you have a problem, you get to pay more shipping, and a major hassle re-importing it and trying to avoid paying taxes again.

I'm no huge Canadian shopping patriot, I buy a lot of pruduct from the US.
I just didn't think it was as huge a saving as the original post implied.

--
'To not quite infinity!' -- Buzz Frontfocus
Equipment list in profile
 
economy than the US does right now.
I like Canada and my wife is Canadian but there are several reasons
for this...

in Ontario,

7% Government Sales Tax
7% Provincial Sales Tax

A poor economy

almost 40% income tax

and a socialist type government that is trying to pay for every
program under the sun (read Healthcare).

Somebody has to cover the cost it might as well be taxable goods...

I won't even go in to the Duty.

Remember also, you don't have to pay tax when you the Internet and
these companies in the US probably deal in a much larger volume.
 
Stop complaining please!

If you want to feel a little bit better look for the prcies form the country where I live - it's Poland in central Europe

10D - $2500
BG-ED3 - $250
EF 50mm/1.8 mkII - $175
EF 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 USM II - $370
EF 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 USM - $500
EF 20-35 f/3.5-4.5 USM - $720
EF 28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM - $760
EF 70-200 f/4.0 L USM - $1140
EF 17-40 f/4 L USM - $1330
EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 L IS USM - $2500
EF 70-200 f/2.8 L IS USM - $2930

... nice huh? ;-)
 
Ohhh.. and I forgot to mention that in Poland you would earn about $150 per month. If you are lucky you'll earn $250 per month.....

..... where the 1liter of petrol costs almost $1...

I'd say this is sick ;-)

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D7i - http://www.pbase.com/czacha/
 
Sorry if this is off-topic, but...

I've only really checked out Canon gear, but I would assume that
this holds true for the other companies too. Anyway, yeah, so why
is camera gear so much more expensive in Canada?

In Toronto I've found the cheapest place to be Aden Camera.
However, when compared to American shops such as B&H, the prices at
Aden are just plain ridiculous! We're talking over 25% more!

While I'd like to support the local economy, I can't help but feel
ripped off if I buy Canadian. I'm seriously considering taking a
road trip down to Buffalo to pick up a 10D.
You guys should come to Australia and then you'll know what high prices are. Our Camera gear is 2.5-4x the US price. the 10D is $3400 here and a 1V is $4400 or how about a 17-40 f/4L for $1600 or 500 f/4 for $16000.

Stop your whining you got it good at least you can drive into the US and buy stuff.
 
That includes shipping, taxes and duties. I paid $2214CDN about a month ago from Ecost last month when they were charging $1479 US. Savings over buying local is $713.86...I would call that a huge savings. This camera comes with a US/Canadian warranty card from Canon. The $700 savings is almost enough to buy a Canon 28-135 IS USM lens.
Actually the price difference is quite considerable:
Go to http://www.xe.com & convert it from $1379 US to CDN = $1922.
That exchange rate is out to lunch, but we'll leave it that you're
saving $577.
Now add shipping, including brokerage fee to clear customs. If they
ship it UPS, it's gonna be $60.00 likely.

Yes you're still saving some. Now, if you have a problem, you get
to pay more shipping, and a major hassle re-importing it and
trying to avoid paying taxes again.

I'm no huge Canadian shopping patriot, I buy a lot of pruduct from
the US.
I just didn't think it was as huge a saving as the original post
implied.

--
'To not quite infinity!' -- Buzz Frontfocus
Equipment list in profile
 

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