Where do Olympus sensors stand?

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I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?
 
Sony makes Nikon sensors. Canon make their own. Panasonic make their own. Samsung make their own. There are a few others that make sensors and sell to others. Olympus buys from Panasonic and Sony, so their technology is linked to those two. Whether they can get the latest is another question.
 
I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?
 
It's a game of leap-frog anyway.
 
I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?
 
I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?
 
I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?
 
I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?
 
I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?
 
You can check out actual measurements on DXOmark. For example, here's a comparison of the EM-5II to the Sony A6000 ... http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Comp...M-D-E-M5-Mark-II-versus-Sony-A6000___1006_942

Seems to me that Olympus is about where you'd expect based on relative sensor sizes.
Base ISO and DR aren't affected as much by sensor size as is resolution. I'd hoped Olympus had gone after DR instead of 16=>20Mp...
There is no DR loss with the new 20MP sensor used in GX8 and Pen-F.

You basically get 4 MP for free with no deterioration of image quality whatsoever. On the contrary, you get higher resolution.
 
That is very much a matter of opinion Thomas , I would love a much lower true base ISO for m43 , I find even at base ISO m43 shadow and sky noise is pretty poor,with poor RAW flexibility { relatively speaking}. I am not in the least interested in the comedy high ISO settings that camera manufacturers are sticking in the specs and wish that they would instead focus on low ISO maximum image quality.
Must agree there, I'd rather ISO started at say 100 true ISO and stopped at 6400 true ISO

Instead of 200 - 25600. The only reason I would want such high iso (or higher) was if I was a spy and needed pictures in pitch black since I was sneakey hidey.... but I am not, so I don't need that.
 
I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?
 
I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?
 
I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?
 
Pretty much. If you can't produce a decent photograph with any modern digital camera; study, practice, try harder and persevere, or take up another hobby.
 
I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?

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Why do you bother? The image quality of current m4/3 cameras is excellent
That is very much a matter of opinion Thomas , I would love a much lower true base ISO for m43 , I find even at base ISO m43 shadow and sky noise is pretty poor,with poor RAW flexibility { relatively speaking}. I am not in the least interested in the comedy high ISO settings that camera manufacturers are sticking in the specs and wish that they would instead focus on low ISO maximum image quality.
Agree 100%. They should make some progress at base ISO.

Here are noise profiles from various cameras. I've downloaded the RAW file at base ISO from the DPreview Studio Shot comparaisons (same scene for all) and analyzed though Photo Ninja, which has a nifty too to draw noise profile from the analyzed RAW.

Olympus PEN F (20 Mpix 4/3 sensor)
Olympus PEN F (20 Mpix 4/3 sensor)

Panasonic GX8 (20 Mpix 4/3 sensor)
Panasonic GX8 (20 Mpix 4/3 sensor)

Olympus E-M1(16 Mpix 4/3 sensor)
Olympus E-M1(16 Mpix 4/3 sensor)

[ATTACH alt="Sony RX100IV (20Mpix 1" sensor)"]1415945[/ATTACH]
Sony RX100IV (20Mpix 1" sensor)

Fuji XPro2 (24Mpix APS-C sensor)
Fuji XPro2 (24Mpix APS-C sensor)

Fuji X-T1 (16Mpix APS-C sensor)
Fuji X-T1 (16Mpix APS-C sensor)

Sony A7 RII (42 Mpix FF sensor)
Sony A7 RII (42 Mpix FF sensor)

From these profiles, it's clear that m4/3 noise performance at base ISO isn't that impressive.

The E-M1 has a similar noise profile than the Sony RX100 IV, which sports a smaller sensor. Both are a bit better than the 20Mpix m4/3 sensor, which fares worst in this comparaison.

M4/3 and 1" are worst than APS-C and FF from a quite margin, but this was to be expected.

The impressive performance here is the 1" sensor, the uninpressive is m4/3.

So now Olympus and Panasonic, please work on a solution to provide a better sensor a base ISO! It's already not bad, but competition is stiff!

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I hear a lot of chatter on the other boards on how some manufacturers are pulling ahead of others in terms of things like low light sensitivity and dynamic range. E.g., it would appear that Sony and Nikon have superior sensor technology, and Canon seems to be the bottom of the pile. But where does Olympus stand, compared to its immediate competitor (Panasonic) and against the other manufacturers?

Right now it would appear that generally:

Sony>Nikon>....>Canon but where is Olympus?

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http://markteng.500px.com/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/myazphoto/
Why do you bother? The image quality of current m4/3 cameras is excellent
That is very much a matter of opinion Thomas , I would love a much lower true base ISO for m43 , I find even at base ISO m43 shadow and sky noise is pretty poor,with poor RAW flexibility { relatively speaking}. I am not in the least interested in the comedy high ISO settings that camera manufacturers are sticking in the specs and wish that they would instead focus on low ISO maximum image quality.
Agree 100%. They should make some progress at base ISO.

Here are noise profiles from various cameras. I've downloaded the RAW file at base ISO from the DPreview Studio Shot comparaisons (same scene for all) and analyzed though Photo Ninja, which has a nifty too to draw noise profile from the analyzed RAW.

Olympus PEN F (20 Mpix 4/3 sensor)
Olympus PEN F (20 Mpix 4/3 sensor)

Panasonic GX8 (20 Mpix 4/3 sensor)
Panasonic GX8 (20 Mpix 4/3 sensor)

Olympus E-M1(16 Mpix 4/3 sensor)
Olympus E-M1(16 Mpix 4/3 sensor)

[ATTACH alt="Sony RX100IV (20Mpix 1" sensor)"]1415945[/ATTACH]
Sony RX100IV (20Mpix 1" sensor)

Fuji XPro2 (24Mpix APS-C sensor)
Fuji XPro2 (24Mpix APS-C sensor)

Fuji X-T1 (16Mpix APS-C sensor)
Fuji X-T1 (16Mpix APS-C sensor)

Sony A7 RII (42 Mpix FF sensor)
Sony A7 RII (42 Mpix FF sensor)

From these profiles, it's clear that m4/3 noise performance at base ISO isn't that impressive.
For me as a low ISO shooter with a strong preference for maximum image quality and no interest at all in the super high ISO settings it is very telling.
The E-M1 has a similar noise profile than the Sony RX100 IV, which sports a smaller sensor. Both are a bit better than the 20Mpix m4/3 sensor, which fares worst in this comparaison.

M4/3 and 1" are worst than APS-C and FF from a quite margin, but this was to be expected.

The impressive performance here is the 1" sensor, the uninpressive is m4/3.
I have mentioned this on other posts that certainly at low ISO the 1" sensor cameras are very competitive with even the best m43 sensors. It does not go down very well in the forum :-) It is quite impressive given that 20mp on 1" sensor equates to around 34mp on m43
So now Olympus and Panasonic, please work on a solution to provide a better sensor a base ISO! It's already not bad, but competition is stiff!

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Cheers,
Frederic
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I agree completely Frederic, I wish that they would design a sensor aimed to maximise low ISO rather than the increasingly daft and all but useless ultra-high ISO settings. I for one would be very happy to sacrifice all high ISO over 1600 for a true base ISO of 50. I will not hold my breath and just hope that some magic trick can be done with the high res mode to speed it up considerably



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Base ISO and DR aren't affected as much by sensor size as is resolution. I'd hoped Olympus had gone after DR instead of 16=>20Mp...
There is no DR loss with the new 20MP sensor used in GX8 and Pen-F.

You basically get 4 MP for free with no deterioration of image quality whatsoever. On the contrary, you get higher resolution.
My point being...if they hadn't increased the resolution they could've improved the base noise and DR...
 

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