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But often even more important is the EVF allows "remote/tetered" shooting and a FULLY-articulating LCD. I think all dSLR's (w/ LV), should have one but most dont.

I cannot accept being limited to "eye" shooting. I can't down low enough and I can't climb on chairs any more like I did at all weddings, (to shoot every table).

And I don't mean just "tilting".

An example was just yesterday at the Trump rally where I had the LCD 90degrees and I held it directly overhead, (and on tiptoes), to shoot over everyone else holding their (mostly cell-phones) up over their heads also.
 
Another example is i just broke up with a lady i was with over 5 years. I took thousands of images while with her but she hated photography, (and me taking snever y photos was the main reason for break-up).

So as I was leaving I asked her if she wanted any enlargements to keep.

The ONLY photo she chose was one taken OFF TO THE SIDE, (only possible with a FULLY-articulating LCD), with my arm extended out of a train window, (in a curve and entering a tunnel).

So I value the "creative" aspect of being able to shoot low/high/side, (or even reversed), w/out having the camera tied to my "eyes".

Most of my current photos I could never have taken before, (w/ OVF). Note that I very often shot at off angles, but my framing was always "guesses" and thus never as accurately framed/composed as I can now do via (fully-articulating), EVF.
 
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Alfa1 said:
I have never had felt anxiety when photographing. I am not a Pro so any shots I miss do not matter. Why would YOU feel anxious? All I am doing is calling into question your assertion that someone may go home with black or dark exposures due to using a DSLR. Anyone who knows how to use one will know how to avoid that situation. Again, an EVF is fine if you want one, but it is not necessary to ensure correct exposure.
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He didn't say anything about it being necessary, but it does make it easier. I'm sure you could manual focus for many shots, but you use AF because it gives you the confidence that you will nail focus. EVF to exposure is like the focus confirmation light to focus. Same thing.
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I have seen you sing the praises of "to each their own" many times, which is what this is. It's not "easier" to have exposure preview, its just the way you prefer it. I have used EVFs, in 4 different cameras, as well as numerous DSLRs with exposure preview on the LCD. I don't think it makes it easier, perhaps slightly faster (very slightly) and only when in M mode, and only if you avoid the hazards that complicate it.

All it takes is a quick look down at the DSLR meter when im pointing at my subject, and if im shooting moving things where i don't have time for that, i will be using A/SS modes anyway. DSLR OVF meter is not to EVF what MF is to AF, huge difference. AF was revolutionary, it completely changed the face of photography. EVFs are still fighting for aesthetic preference.

And, if anything the focus confirmation light is more akin to the meter, a visual digital (not analog) aid that you have to look away from your subject quickly to see. Maybe "easier" and "faster" are just semantics here, i don't really care, i can pretty much handle anything with different metering modes and auto ISO and do so faster than you could adjust your dials in M mode.
 
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bofo777 said:
Alfa1 said:
Says You. Again, maybe my camera is unusual but I have not had badly missed exposures between knowing how the camera works, using exposure bracketing and the LCD. Most times I will take a test photo or two and get the exposure where I want it before I start shooting. I admit the EVF may be more convenient, but it is not a necessity for exposures.
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Of course it is not a necessity for exposure but it sure is more convenient an a lot quicker then taking test shots to get the exposure where you want it....I can be off taking other pics while you are still figuring out your correct exposure.....
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I got involved in the conversation when I read his assertion that a DSLR user could go home with black or totally white frames because the person could not preview them in an EVF.
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Which is a complete farce of a claim. Less than a year into my ILC experience i bought a Pentax K5IIs, not one shot ended up as bofo claims. Not one. You gotta be pretty bad at using a camera to have that problem.
 
PhotoTeach2 said:
But often even more important is the EVF allows "remote/tetered" shooting and a FULLY-articulating LCD. I think all dSLR's (w/ LV), should have one but most dont.

I cannot accept being limited to "eye" shooting. I can't down low enough and I can't climb on chairs any more like I did at all weddings, (to shoot every table).

And I don't mean just "tilting".

An example was just yesterday at the Trump rally where I had the LCD 90degrees and I held it directly overhead, (and on tiptoes), to shoot over everyone else holding their (mostly cell-phones) up over their heads also.
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Once again, these attributes are not innately linked to ML. Fast on sensor AF is already here in DSLRs with Canon dual pixel. Articulating screens are already on DSLRs, including Canon's dual pixel models (go look up an 80D). Many DSLRs also have remote control.

Sooner than later, DSLRs will have super fast LV (ie on sensor) AF to compliment their OVF AF systems. Many of those will have articulating screens. I dare say all will have remote capability. Why you think this stuff can only be had on ML is odd.
 
Max Iso said:
PhotoTeach2 said:
But often even more important is the EVF allows "remote/tetered" shooting and a FULLY-articulating LCD. I think all dSLR's (w/ LV), should have one but most dont.

I cannot accept being limited to "eye" shooting. I can't down low enough and I can't climb on chairs any more like I did at all weddings, (to shoot every table).

And I don't mean just "tilting".

An example was just yesterday at the Trump rally where I had the LCD 90degrees and I held it directly overhead, (and on tiptoes), to shoot over everyone else holding their (mostly cell-phones) up over their heads also.
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Once again, these attributes are not innately linked to ML. Fast on sensor AF is already here in DSLRs with Canon dual pixel. Articulating screens are already on DSLRs, including Canon's dual pixel models (go look up an 80D). Many DSLRs also have remote control.

Sooner than later, DSLRs will have super fast LV (ie on sensor) AF to compliment their OVF AF systems. Many of those will have articulating screens. I dare say all will have remote capability. Why you think this stuff can only be had on ML is odd.
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BUT WHY DON'T THEY ALREADY ???

Seriously there is no reason why not except that Nikon/Canon "technology" is not adequate or they don't value or care about LV technology. I mean LV is indeed just converting dSLR to ML so why should they not be equally as fast, (the mirror is already "up") ???

I realize most Canons are faster. But -- The current most recommended camera, (at least in "beginners" forum), is the Nikon D3300 and it has a full 2-seconds AF delay in LV, (even the D810 was almost a full-second).

Note those are Imaging-Resource tests -- done with the lens already pre-set to the correct distance so the actual AF time could be much longer and the smaller size/weight of ML lenses could give them further advantage, (especially the fixed lens of FZ-1000 which seems almost instantaneous).
 
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bofo777 said:
Alfa1 said:
Says You. Again, maybe my camera is unusual but I have not had badly missed exposures between knowing how the camera works, using exposure bracketing and the LCD. Most times I will take a test photo or two and get the exposure where I want it before I start shooting. I admit the EVF may be more convenient, but it is not a necessity for exposures.
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Of course it is not a necessity for exposure but it sure is more convenient an a lot quicker then taking test shots to get the exposure where you want it....I can be off taking other pics while you are still figuring out your correct exposure.....
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Well then tell Phototeach2 that an EVF is not a necessity for getting correct exposure. I got involved in the conversation when I read his assertion that a DSLR user could go home with black or totally white frames because the person could not preview them in an EVF. If you prefer an EVF that is fine with me. However, I still prefer my DSLR so let each have their own..
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But YOU "COULD" (accidently or intentionally) set incorrect ISO or f/22 @ 1/4000 and take a photo in a dark room .... or conversely set f/8 and slow shutter speed and shoot in daylight.

The point is: THE OVF IMAGE WOULD BE IDENTICAL IN EACH. It would NOT be in EVF, and quickly seen/noticed in EVF, but not OVF if you did not detract your eye from the image to see the metering-bar.

Or MORE COMMON .... incorrect WB !!! (which you could not even detect if looking at metering-bar)

I realize this is the "open" forum, and not an issue to most of you, but THOSE ARE ALL COMMON PROBLEMS/QUESTIONS IN "BEGINNERS" FORUM. (especially those using/learning "manual" exposure)

These are all much less likely to happen with ML because you would immediately see (black or white) image, (or off color), before shooting, without diverting your eyes away from the "image".

Note that I recommend ML (w/ zebras) to "beginners" because they can make learning exposure much faster and then later help to "optimize" exposure via fast ETTR.
 
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PhotoTeach2 said:
Max Iso said:
Sooner than later, DSLRs will have super fast LV (ie on sensor) AF to compliment their OVF AF systems. Many of those will have articulating screens. I dare say all will have remote capability. Why you think this stuff can only be had on ML is odd.
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BUT WHY DON'T THEY ALREADY ???
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Same reason not all cameras have a direct link to instagram, the demand hasn't reached the breaking point. DSLRs have been used by people who prefer VF shooting, or are fine using LV with MF. Notice that Canon make their own sensors and happens to be big into video? Yep, they are also by far the best DSLR AF in LV. Coincidence? They developed it bc it was needed for video.

When the perceived need is big enough, the tech will change.
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Seriously there is no reason why not except that Nikon/Canon "technology" is not adequate or they don't value or care about LV technology. I mean LV is indeed just converting dSLR to ML so why should they not be equally as fast, (the mirror is already "up") ???
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Well lets be honest, so far there have been severe tradoffs when using LV AF. I guess the advantages have not outweighed the disadvantages for most DSLR makers to put the money into it. It's also a sensor issue, and not every camera maker also makes their own sensors. It's possible Nikon would accept a Sony PDAF ready sensor but don't want to pay the premium for something their users are not demanding to begin with.

This is why the "DSLR is dead" meme is silly, there really are people who prefer DSLRs (lots of us actually), and no amount of LV AF speed will change that. I prefer an OVF. Even if all ML bodies had superior AF in EVERY WAY, i would still prefer a DSLR. I don't like EVFs. And thankfully, all of today's top DSLRs will have AF fast enough for anything i will ever shoot, so even if they make zero progress ever again, im good. Im good with a DSLR forever.
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I realize most Canons are faster. But -- The current most recommended camera, (at least in "beginners" forum), is the Nikon D3300 and it has a full 2-seconds AF delay in LV, (even the D810 was almost a full-second).
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Just goes to show how unimportant LV is for some people. Are you able to accept this or will you stomp your feet and tell them they are wrong?
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Note those are Imaging-Resource tests -- done with the lens already pre-set to the correct distance so the actual AF time could be much longer and the smaller size/weight of ML lenses could give them further advantage, (especially the fixed lens of FZ-1000 which seems almost instantaneous).
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If small size really made that much a difference, the fastest focusing canikon lenses wouldn't be giant zooms. Speed isn't even the issue with ML, they can zip to a spot real quick, it's the predictive algorithms that are the holdup (ie tracking). Same thing with Pentax. Canikon just know what they are doing, which is why the Nikon 1 cameras are so good with tracking, ML or not.
 
PhotoTeach2 said:
But YOU "COULD" (accidently or intentionally) set incorrect ISO or f/22 @ 1/4000 and take a photo in a dark room .... or conversely set f/8 and slow shutter speed and shoot in daylight.

The point is: THE OVF IMAGE WOULD BE IDENTICAL IN EACH. It would NOT be in EVF, and quickly seen/noticed in EVF, but not OVF if you did not detract your eye from the image to see the metering-bar.

Or MORE COMMON .... incorrect WB !!! (which you could not even detect if looking at metering-bar)

I realize this is the "open" forum, and not an issue to most of you, but THOSE ARE ALL COMMON PROBLEMS/QUESTIONS IN "BEGINNERS" FORUM. (especially those using/learning "manual" exposure)

These are all much less likely to happen with ML because you would immediately see (black or white) image, (or off color), before shooting, without diverting your eyes away from the "image".

Note that I recommend ML (w/ zebras) to "beginners" because they can make learning exposure much faster and then later help to "optimize" exposure via fast ETTR.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what happens when they are not beginners anymore? You are literally proving our case that it's a lack of skill and experience that makes EVFs appealing and once you get past that, the DSLR is easy to use.

You should also address one big issue. EVF washout. Below is a shot i took in FL on the beach a few years back. It was maybe 90, not a world record bright day. I had an aftermarket eyecup on my GX7 to better block out ambient light. It was still so hard to see the EVF that i couldn't use exposure preview. I literally couldn't use the brightness to judge exposure bc it was all too dim (like a phone on a bright day).

When too much peripheral light hits your eye, your iris contracts and the EVF gets darker. Too dark and you lose your ability to judge exposure without guesswork. On the beach i was forced to jump into A mode and let the camera meter, and even then it wasn't easy to see composition or even the AF points. Basically it sucked, the whole time i was wishing i had a DSLR with me.

If you have never experienced this, great, go shoot with an EVF in bright sun and you will see. Using something that is very relative such as our vision to judge exposure is not always a good idea.

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What was the newest EVF camera you used?

And more importantly, why is what is or isn't useful to you the standard everyone else has to live by?
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It is not just for him. That fact that EVFs slows you down is a major reason why OVFs are used in the professional action/sports/news cameras. It slows you down by not providing a true live view between shots during fast series, and by blowing out highlights or blocking shadows when you are following a subject in the finder.
 
You have a CHOICE of (instant) Image-Review (retention) or not. I usually leave it on, (a tap on shutter-button returns live-view).

BUT ... I turn it off for "burst" shooting and it is just like dSLR w/ live-view between shots.

Can't see how it slows you down.
 
Max Iso said:
I have seen you sing the praises of "to each their own" many times, which is what this is. It's not "easier" to have exposure preview, its just the way you prefer it. I have used EVFs, in 4 different cameras, as well as numerous DSLRs with exposure preview on the LCD. I don't think it makes it easier, perhaps slightly faster (very slightly) and only when in M mode, and only if you avoid the hazards that complicate it.
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Don't confuse preference for easiness. I prefer to drive stickshift, but I readily acknowledge driving automatic is easier. Likewise you prefer OVF, but EVF is easier for reasons I will lay out below.
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All it takes is a quick look down at the DSLR meter when im pointing at my subject, and if im shooting moving things where i don't have time for that, i will be using A/SS modes anyway. DSLR OVF meter is not to EVF what MF is to AF, huge difference. AF was revolutionary, it completely changed the face of photography. EVFs are still fighting for aesthetic preference.

And, if anything the focus confirmation light is more akin to the meter, a visual digital (not analog) aid that you have to look away from your subject quickly to see. Maybe "easier" and "faster" are just semantics here, i don't really care, i can pretty much handle anything with different metering modes and auto ISO and do so faster than you could adjust your dials in M mode.
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PerL said:
sportyaccordy said:
What was the newest EVF camera you used?

And more importantly, why is what is or isn't useful to you the standard everyone else has to live by?
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It is not just for him. That fact that EVFs slows you down is a major reason why OVFs are used in the professional action/sports/news cameras. It slows you down by not providing a true live view between shots during fast series, and by blowing out highlights or blocking shadows when you are following a subject in the finder.
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You are projecting a bunch of issues he made no mention of. Yes, viewfinder blackout is a big problem for old EVFs, but Sony cracked that code at 8FPS with the new A6300. And there are a long list of reasons why DSLRs are used for professional means that have nothing to do with OVFs. If you are shooting at a news conference the subject isn't moving anyway.
 
Max Iso said:
PhotoTeach2 said:
But YOU "COULD" (accidently or intentionally) set incorrect ISO or f/22 @ 1/4000 and take a photo in a dark room .... or conversely set f/8 and slow shutter speed and shoot in daylight.

The point is: THE OVF IMAGE WOULD BE IDENTICAL IN EACH. It would NOT be in EVF, and quickly seen/noticed in EVF, but not OVF if you did not detract your eye from the image to see the metering-bar.

Or MORE COMMON .... incorrect WB !!! (which you could not even detect if looking at metering-bar)

I realize this is the "open" forum, and not an issue to most of you, but THOSE ARE ALL COMMON PROBLEMS/QUESTIONS IN "BEGINNERS" FORUM. (especially those using/learning "manual" exposure)

These are all much less likely to happen with ML because you would immediately see (black or white) image, (or off color), before shooting, without diverting your eyes away from the "image".

Note that I recommend ML (w/ zebras) to "beginners" because they can make learning exposure much faster and then later help to "optimize" exposure via fast ETTR.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what happens when they are not beginners anymore?
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Then they use the "zebras", (or LIVE histogram), to (easy/fast) ETTR optimize their exposure for better IQ and lower-noise.
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You are literally proving our case that it's a lack of skill and experience that makes EVFs appealing and once you get past that, the DSLR is easy to use.
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Not at all ... ETTR is much easier/faster than possible w/ dSLR's, (and after-exposure chimping).

YOU proved MY point earlier when you admitted you had to "look at the metering-bar". That takes "time" and I do NOT have to do that, I can immediately see directly on the "image" if I have "zebras" and then, (IF I CHOOSE) I can simply (w/ thumb while still looking at EVF-image), touch EC to desaturate them. If I am in a hurry I can ignore them and simply take the quick shot, (exposed as the camera "auto" choose), and then I can EC if I have time for another, (possibly better optimized), shot.
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You should also address one big issue. EVF washout. Below is a shot i took in FL on the beach a few years back. It was maybe 90, not a world record bright day. I had an aftermarket eyecup on my GX7 to better block out ambient light. It was still so hard to see the EVF that i couldn't use exposure preview. I literally couldn't use the brightness to judge exposure bc it was all too dim (like a phone on a bright day).

When too much peripheral light hits your eye, your iris contracts and the EVF gets darker. Too dark and you lose your ability to judge exposure without guesswork. On the beach i was forced to jump into A mode and let the camera meter, and even then it wasn't easy to see composition or even the AF points.
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But I can also put my ML, (FZ-1000), into "A" mode, (and trust my camera), just like dSLR, if I chose. (no difference)
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Basically it sucked, the whole time i was wishing i had a DSLR with me.

If you have never experienced this, great, go shoot with an EVF in bright sun and you will see. Using something that is very relative such as our vision to judge exposure is not always a good idea.
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I shoot in the SUN ... I have never had such an experience you describe with the EVF on either my older Konica A2 or the FZ-1000, (with the rear-LCD ... yes ... it is hard to see/use in direct sunlight -- but it would be unusable on dSLR's also in that situation).

I have shot with the sun behind me, side ... and just yesterday forced to shoot directly into the sun. I personally have had much more problems like you describe with OVF's in sunlight.

Maybe "SEA"water was in your eyes for the below shots.
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"You taught me hate, I"ll teach you fear", - Lamb of God, Break You.
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sportyaccordy said:
PerL said:
sportyaccordy said:
What was the newest EVF camera you used?

And more importantly, why is what is or isn't useful to you the standard everyone else has to live by?
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It is not just for him. That fact that EVFs slows you down is a major reason why OVFs are used in the professional action/sports/news cameras. It slows you down by not providing a true live view between shots during fast series, and by blowing out highlights or blocking shadows when you are following a subject in the finder.
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You are projecting a bunch of issues he made no mention of. Yes, viewfinder blackout is a big problem for old EVFs, but Sony cracked that code at 8FPS with the new A6300. And there are a long list of reasons why DSLRs are used for professional means that have nothing to do with OVFs. If you are shooting at a news conference the subject isn't moving anyway.
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I agree I don't have any worse blackout problem w/ FZ-1000 than I do with dSLR's.

And the a6300 blackout is shorter than possible w/ dSLR, (because of their "mirror").

I assume that future blackout will continue to be shorter than possible w/ dSLR's because they indeed will always have that "mirror" (delay) to contend with.
 
sportyaccordy said:
PerL said:
sportyaccordy said:
What was the newest EVF camera you used?

And more importantly, why is what is or isn't useful to you the standard everyone else has to live by?
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It is not just for him. That fact that EVFs slows you down is a major reason why OVFs are used in the professional action/sports/news cameras. It slows you down by not providing a true live view between shots during fast series, and by blowing out highlights or blocking shadows when you are following a subject in the finder.
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You are projecting a bunch of issues he made no mention of. Yes, viewfinder blackout is a big problem for old EVFs, but Sony cracked that code at 8FPS with the new A6300.
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No, they did not. They faked it with stills between frames. Read the test in DPReview.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/86...-view-continuous-shooting-with-the-sony-a6300
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And there are a long list of reasons why DSLRs are used for professional means that have nothing to do with OVFs.
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Yes, but when Nikon introduced the D5 they specifically showed a comparison showing the superiority of OVF vs EVFs when following action.

And when you follow a subject in contrasty light you dont want the EVF to blow out the whites or block the shadows.
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If you are shooting at a news conference the subject isn't moving anyway.
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PerL said:
sportyaccordy said:
PerL said:
sportyaccordy said:
What was the newest EVF camera you used?

And more importantly, why is what is or isn't useful to you the standard everyone else has to live by?
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It is not just for him. That fact that EVFs slows you down is a major reason why OVFs are used in the professional action/sports/news cameras. It slows you down by not providing a true live view between shots during fast series, and by blowing out highlights or blocking shadows when you are following a subject in the finder.
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You are projecting a bunch of issues he made no mention of. Yes, viewfinder blackout is a big problem for old EVFs, but Sony cracked that code at 8FPS with the new A6300.
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No, they did not. They faked it with stills between frames. Read the test in DPReview.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/86...-view-continuous-shooting-with-the-sony-a6300
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Exactly what i was going to link. Whats most problematic is how these guys, apparently without actually using the camera (isnt that against your own rules sporty??), just take what Sony prints and then repeat it like its the gospel. I sure hope nobody read their comments and ran out and bought that camera believing their misinformation.
 
sportyaccordy said:
Max Iso said:
I have seen you sing the praises of "to each their own" many times, which is what this is. It's not "easier" to have exposure preview, its just the way you prefer it. I have used EVFs, in 4 different cameras, as well as numerous DSLRs with exposure preview on the LCD. I don't think it makes it easier, perhaps slightly faster (very slightly) and only when in M mode, and only if you avoid the hazards that complicate it.
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Don't confuse preference for easiness. I prefer to drive stickshift, but I readily acknowledge driving automatic is easier. Likewise you prefer OVF, but EVF is easier for reasons I will lay out below.
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Think outside the box. Have you ever driven in the snow with both? I have (i live in MO), and a stick is much easier bc you have far more control over the torque. You see it's not such a black and white issue as you insist. The ways that EVFs make it easier are not important for everybody, while the advantages of OVF really do make it easier for some.

Regardless of what that phototeach guy says, i know using my GX7 in bright sun sucked (and my GX8 and A77II had similar problems). My wife was more than aware how frustrated i was. That wasn't "easier". If you use flash there is nothing easier about an EVF. If you shoot fast motion, an EVF isn't easier. In LL, even the best EVFs aren't as smooth as an OVF, they even give some people a headache. This is why it comes down to personal preference, even when deciding which is "easier".

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sportyaccordy said:
All it takes is a quick look down at the DSLR meter when im pointing at my subject, and if im shooting moving things where i don't have time for that, i will be using A/SS modes anyway. DSLR OVF meter is not to EVF what MF is to AF, huge difference. AF was revolutionary, it completely changed the face of photography. EVFs are still fighting for aesthetic preference.

And, if anything the focus confirmation light is more akin to the meter, a visual digital (not analog) aid that you have to look away from your subject quickly to see. Maybe "easier" and "faster" are just semantics here, i don't really care, i can pretty much handle anything with different metering modes and auto ISO and do so faster than you could adjust your dials in M mode.
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Max Iso said:
Think outside the box. Have you ever driven in the snow with both? I have (i live in MO), and a stick is much easier bc you have far more control over the torque. You see it's not such a black and white issue as you insist. The ways that EVFs make it easier are not important for everybody, while the advantages of OVF really do make it easier for some.
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That you have to reach with these specific circumstances speaks to my point. Yes I've driven in the snow with both; I lived in NYC for decades. With the right tires even my dad's 345HP RWD Infiniti got around no problem.
Max Iso said:
Regardless of what that phototeach guy says, i know using my GX7 in bright sun sucked (and my GX8 and A77II had similar problems). My wife was more than aware how frustrated i was. That wasn't "easier". If you use flash there is nothing easier about an EVF. If you shoot fast motion, an EVF isn't easier. In LL, even the best EVFs aren't as smooth as an OVF, they even give some people a headache. This is why it comes down to personal preference, even when deciding which is "easier".
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I've been shooting MILCs in bright sunlight for years with no problems. What's the issue? With TTL flash the EVF compensates for exposure. Etc. More specialized uses and individual preferences presented as generalities.
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I always shoot raw so WB isn't an issue. I generally have no issue clipping HL. I either use spot metering on my subject knowing the surroundings may clip, or shoot in matrix and push my subject in post. If my subject is the HL, it's a non issue. I don't need an EVF to show me how this all works, just like i don't need to stare at my tachometer to tell me when to shift.

I never have an issue with holding the camera level, but still some DSLRs have a marker in the VF peripheral. That's another thing, DSLRs are capable of having a lot of aids that ML have, they will just be smaller. Histo (fed from the RGB sensor), level, ect. There is plenty to add to an OVF, it's not innately tied to EVFs.

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What DSLR has an in-OVF histogram?

And again, an EVF is just a more advanced version of spot metering. You claim you don't need an EVF to know how to expose, but you still rely on confirmation and calculation from the camera. What's the difference?

And you do have an issue with holding the camera level- that pic of your dog running towards you was way off axis. Your grip and composition were compromised because you had to get low. You didn't get low enough though IMO (too much grass and no background) and you didn't hold the camera straight. Compare your shot to this:



and the difference is obvious. I didn't need the leveler to get the horizon right on this, but because I could just flip my screen up and hold the camera down at my knees I was able to get the camera level and focused fine. Only issue I see is the cropped legs but I was just messing around here and playing with my adapter. But the point is shooting live view gives you a lot more info and can make for shots you probably wouldn't be able to get as well with a DSLR with a fixed screen.
 

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