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I know there are folks here with more - Ruth, Steve and a few others - congrats. But, for me it's an achievement.

I don't spend a lot of time on each vote (mostly just react), but I do go back and review/reassess my votes when finished with a challenge. I hope many of you will shoot for the 10,000 mark - just to give back to the thankless job of challenge hosting.

Now, it's on to 200,000 ;-)
 
Ed at Ridersite said:
I know there are folks here with more - Ruth, Steve and a few others - congrats. But, for me it's an achievement.

I don't spend a lot of time on each vote (mostly just react), but I do go back and review/reassess my votes when finished with a challenge. I hope many of you will shoot for the 10,000 mark - just to give back to the thankless job of challenge hosting.

Now, it's on to 200,000 ;-)
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Congratulations!

Averaging out internet download speeds, amazon database access times & photo review at a guess of about 30 second that's a total of 3,000,000 seconds. Which is 833 hours or 34.7 days.
 
You think not spending much time - "Just reacting" is really accomplishing anything of merit?
I mean obviously you feel YOUR simple numbers are the relevant factor when in fact it is the quality of the votes that is the only relevant thing...
The numbers just mean you're not paying attention to the photos.

You could give back by participating - Simply checking a box, checking a box, checking a box...That's not giving much.
I guess you're in a competition with the other users you mentioned and so aren't really relevant beyond your own self satisfaction and the little numbers trip you're on.
A minority or fringe group of extremists?
Anyhow - Saw you braggadocios post and although I tried, I just couldn't let it lie!
Great job, keep it up - Can't wait to hear about your massive contribution toward shaping the space that you are so committed to!
 
JerryShots said:
You think not spending much time - "Just reacting" is really accomplishing anything of merit?
I mean obviously you feel YOUR simple numbers are the relevant factor when in fact it is the quality of the votes that is the only relevant thing...
The numbers just mean you're not paying attention to the photos.
You could give back by participating - Simply checking a box, checking a box, checking a box...That's not giving much.
I guess you're in a competition with the other users you mentioned and so aren't really relevant beyond your own self satisfaction and the little numbers trip you're on.
A minority or fringe group of extremists?
Anyhow - Saw you braggadocios post and although I tried, I just couldn't let it lie!
Great job, keep it up - Can't wait to hear about your massive contribution toward shaping the space that you are so committed to!
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Well, yes, most are just a reaction - maybe one or two seconds. That's because there are so many entries that are just simple snapshots. There really isn't much point in pixel peeping and agonizing over a vote on these. They will finish in the bottom half of the votes anyway.

After voting in a challenge, I do go back and review my votes - paying attention to the top scoring entries. Often I will make minor adjustment to these votes and make a final decision on which I think is the best. But even with these, I don't agonize.

I looked through all your entries. You are safe. I've never voted in a challenge you entered ;-)
 
"I looked through all your entries. You are safe. I've never voted in a challenge you entered..."
OMG - Are you so full of corpulent self importance that you thought I might be personally concern at the thought of some mindless drone casting RANDOM votes on a challenge I entered?
I'm confident pedestrian voting doesn't sway or contribute in any meaningful manner - Which was my original contention.

You have people here who vote 4 stars because they think the woman in the shot is pretty even though the challenge states "No humans can be in the shot"...You have photos of dogs winning cat challenges for god's sake.
The reason the voting and the challenge things don't really 'work' is that any idiot has a random, arbitrary, or mind missing desire to click a ranking can do so for what ever reason, OR NON-REASON they might have.
The 'Hosts' can't write a theme/challenge with enough ability to rule out literally EVERY PHOTO GRAPH EVER TAKEN - And then it's all 3 year old "T" Ball...Any interpretation, no interpretation, no wrong answers, nothing of worth to learn from.
If every answer is as good as any other answer then you simply have no discussion.

Consequently you feed the desire to show your latest sun set photo in a cat challenge because your a newbie and want to show a little feed back and credit for your sun set shot...And HELL - YOU MIGHT EVEN WIN!

It is disappointing to see scores of 0.5 when your shot has clearly met the basic challenge requirement and I guess even one vote like that can skew the results - But then again I say it is the absentee 'Hosting' that is to blame.
Here is an example - A shot perfectly suited to the challenge rules and theme, perhaps not your pick to win, perhaps no ones pick to win - But you see the 0.5 vote represented in the results of a challenge you have 'hosted' and you do nothing.
Here is the shot (yes it is mine) and you can read the rules and see the scoring.
I'm all for 0.5 votes if the entry fails to depict or reflect the Theme or simply doesn't follow the entry requirements.
Anyway, I'm sure you didn't read this far - Here's the pretty picture I promised:

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A hearty congratulations to Ed and his voting acumen! One of the most important parts of the challenges are the voters. I personally believe that contrary to some folks on this sites opinion that votes by pure rookie photographers (like myself) are of value. As an example, I have found that I can judge olympic events similarly to the experts even in sports I've never seen before. In some studies, folks without an art background judged paintings very similarly to how experts judged. I suspect that this is true with photography and the more voters there are, the less likely the sandbaggers etc. will skew results.

8,000 votes
 
Keep em' coming Ed. When I retire, I think I'll catch up to you... maybe :)

And thanks for so much participation in our community.
 
"As an example, I have found that I can judge olympic events similarly to the experts even in sports I've never seen before..."

Wow, that's just amazing. The destruction of expertise, of knowledge itself!! Right, the rankly ignorant (in sports I've never seen before) has opinions no worse than the most informed and cultured adherent - LOL, well there has to be a word for that!

Wow, so dam dumb it is frightening. I guess it is simply all about YOU and of course, your opinion! Nothing much beyond that! LOL
OMG, how amazing!!
Education and experience both reduced to rubble in the face of total abject ignorance.
WOW.
Mind blown.
 
Although it may seem counterintuitive that novice judges vote similar to experts in many artistic endeavors there is scientific evidence to back this up. Many articles are available on the web in this respect. Here is an interesting one -

A Comparison of Expert and Nonexpert Raters Using the Consensual Assessment Technique

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If we wee evaluating something as nebulas as 'creativity' then your little paper might be relevant as there is no absolute no actual way to measure such a thing.
What you see as 'creative' may just be regurgitating something the 'creative' saw the other day - So there is no ability to objectively measure, so no real ability to judge.

Sorry, your anti-intellectual BS isn't washing away your ignorant assertion that 'knowing nothing about it' makes your opinion as good as an 'expert' is simply absurd.

Prey tell, why do we educate some people - (I say some because you obviously don't think there is value in any education and so clearly avoided the option)? Would be pointless, no?
 
Would you be interested in a review of a D810 or that new Pentax camera done by a 'reviewer' that had never held a modern DSLR before? Someone who had never fired off a single shot with a modern camera and had never use LR or ACR or any other software to process RAW files..Would you find that of any value?
LOL, yeah, me neither.

How about a sports commentator that didn't know if that was a far jump, a really far jump or a world record jump...Or a total failure due to a foot fault.

Your position is absurd.
 
Such anger? I don't get it. Anyhow, my position is simply that more voters are better than less voters. I also maintain that depending on the subject it is in fact possible to vote in a similar matter to experts. When I say similar I never said identical. Clearly an expert has some advantages even in the case of an Olympic event or when judging photos. Clearly, more expertise is involved when judging semi conductor physics versus Olympic ice dancing. In addition, most would agree that more experience does also increase the ability to judge something similar to an expert. Therefore we should encourage folks to vote more frequently as this increases their ability and ultimately is more fun for all of us (except maybe for you?).
 
"As an example, I have found that I can judge olympic events similarly to the experts even in sports I've never seen before..."
"...even in sports I have never seen before..."

"...even in sports I have never seen before..."
I'm not sure what you reference when you talk of 'anger'...Is that something you've seen before or is it possible you are misidentifying some other reaction?
I mean are you as good as psychological interpretations as you are at say...Olympic sports you have never even seen before?
Is there any point to an education, or just give'r a look see and bam, opinion formed - Just as good!?
Too funny. So you get instant expert perspective in everything, you simply look at it!
Cool.
 
Sir, I imagine (hope) that you mean well. Pretty much everyone I know has watched the Olympics and guessed what scores would be. It turns out that it is often easy to determine a qualitative score. I am sure that you have done this yourself at some point and am obviously not implying that this can be done in every endeavor. I certainly have nothing against education ( as attested to the many school loans I have paid off). I found the referenced article interesting and others that compare different aspects of expert judging to that of novices. Apparently you didn't but of course you are welcome to your opinion.

Again, my vote is simply for more voters.
 
Ed at Ridersite said:
JerryShots said:
You think not spending much time - "Just reacting" is really accomplishing anything of merit?
I mean obviously you feel YOUR simple numbers are the relevant factor when in fact it is the quality of the votes that is the only relevant thing...
The numbers just mean you're not paying attention to the photos.
You could give back by participating - Simply checking a box, checking a box, checking a box...That's not giving much.
I guess you're in a competition with the other users you mentioned and so aren't really relevant beyond your own self satisfaction and the little numbers trip you're on.
A minority or fringe group of extremists?
Anyhow - Saw you braggadocios post and although I tried, I just couldn't let it lie!
Great job, keep it up - Can't wait to hear about your massive contribution toward shaping the space that you are so committed to!
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Well, yes, most are just a reaction - maybe one or two seconds. That's because there are so many entries that are just simple snapshots. There really isn't much point in pixel peeping and agonizing over a vote on these. They will finish in the bottom half of the votes anyway.

After voting in a challenge, I do go back and review my votes - paying attention to the top scoring entries. Often I will make minor adjustment to these votes and make a final decision on which I think is the best. But even with these, I don't agonize.

I looked through all your entries. You are safe. I've never voted in a challenge you entered ;-)
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Thinking maybe JerryShots hadn't actually entered any challenges and your comment was a 'dig' I had a look - he has entered a significant number of challenges and done very respectably, I'd say.
 
Midwest said:
Ed at Ridersite said:
JerryShots said:
You think not spending much time - "Just reacting" is really accomplishing anything of merit?
I mean obviously you feel YOUR simple numbers are the relevant factor when in fact it is the quality of the votes that is the only relevant thing...
The numbers just mean you're not paying attention to the photos.
You could give back by participating - Simply checking a box, checking a box, checking a box...That's not giving much.
I guess you're in a competition with the other users you mentioned and so aren't really relevant beyond your own self satisfaction and the little numbers trip you're on.
A minority or fringe group of extremists?
Anyhow - Saw you braggadocios post and although I tried, I just couldn't let it lie!
Great job, keep it up - Can't wait to hear about your massive contribution toward shaping the space that you are so committed to!
Click to expand...
Well, yes, most are just a reaction - maybe one or two seconds. That's because there are so many entries that are just simple snapshots. There really isn't much point in pixel peeping and agonizing over a vote on these. They will finish in the bottom half of the votes anyway.

After voting in a challenge, I do go back and review my votes - paying attention to the top scoring entries. Often I will make minor adjustment to these votes and make a final decision on which I think is the best. But even with these, I don't agonize.

I looked through all your entries. You are safe. I've never voted in a challenge you entered ;-)
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Thinking maybe JerryShots hadn't actually entered any challenges and your comment was a 'dig' I had a look - he has entered a significant number of challenges and done very respectably, I'd say.
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It wasn't a dig. Apparently, his genre of shooting just isn't my cup of tea. I really hadn't voted in any of the challenges he entered (I checked every one) - they just didn't interest me, or I didn't feel qualified with the subject matter.
 
Wow, that's a lot of voting! Hopefully your votes were good quality thoughtful votes vs. the quick-click mass quantity votes.

I have a sneaking suspicion that most voters don't even bother actually opening or viewing the photos they vote on. It seems to me, in order to do well in these challenges your photo needs to look good at thumb nail size, which is a shame.

I don’t know about all this expert judging stuff being discussed, as I am just a rank amateur and generally do not do well in these challenges, especially recently. But I am sure you don’t need to be an expert on photography (or any subject for that matter) to recognize if a photograph meets the challenge criteria, and if you personally find a photo appealing or not. After all what we as individuals prefer is a very subjective thing.

The old adage; “I don’t know much about art, but I know what I like” is definitely applicable here.

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evancj said:
Wow, that's a lot of voting! Hopefully your votes were good quality thoughtful votes vs. the quick-click mass quantity votes.

I have a sneaking suspicion that most voters don't even bother actually opening or viewing the photos they vote on. It seems to me, in order to do well in these challenges your photo needs to look good at thumb nail size, which is a shame.
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When I vote, I view the photos in slideshow and use the arrow and number keys to vote. I vote on every entry in the challenges I vote.When I've voted on all the entries, I go back to my highest votes and review - sometimes full size. Finally, I adjust any of my top votes if needed.

I don't vote in challenges I enter.

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It's a 'numbers game'...
 
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