LasseS
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32 Images with the SD14 and Rodestock Apo-Gerogon 150/9 at f:11
DP3M at f:4.5
The resulting SD14 image is 9280x6149 pix, effective "sensor area" 73x48mm.
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Is it worth it? tedious stitching with the SD14 vs quick snapshot with DP3M.
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32 Images with the SD14 and Rodestock Apo-Gerogon 150/9 at f:11
DP3M at f:4.5
The resulting SD14 image is 9280x6149 pix, effective "sensor area" 73x48mm.
papillon_65
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No.
Depends how you feel about detail acutance versus veiling flare?
32 Images with the SD14 and Rodestock Apo-Gerogon 150/9 at f:11
DP3M at f:4.5
Judging by the color, SD14 is at the bottom?
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docmaas
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Assuming SD14 image is multi image mosaic judging from detail sd14 on top. If it's one on one then detail would put merrill at top.
Veiling flare or just simple over exposure?
Is it worth it? If you want to print to put it on the side of a truck or a whole wall maybe. Or if you're detail addicted maybe. It's really a personal choice about how one spends their limited resources. I still shoot mostly hand held panos and crop later but that is because I don't have good vision in the field. I also like detail so I often prefer larger mosaics.
Life would be so much easier if I didn't have this accutance addiction affliction. I could go through life with just a smart phone camera and be happy.
Mike
Veiling flare or just simple over exposure?
Is it worth it? If you want to print to put it on the side of a truck or a whole wall maybe. Or if you're detail addicted maybe. It's really a personal choice about how one spends their limited resources. I still shoot mostly hand held panos and crop later but that is because I don't have good vision in the field. I also like detail so I often prefer larger mosaics.
Life would be so much easier if I didn't have this accutance addiction affliction. I could go through life with just a smart phone camera and be happy.
Mike
Depends how you feel about detail acutance versus veiling flare?
32 Images with the SD14 and Rodestock Apo-Gerogon 150/9 at f:11
DP3M at f:4.5
Judging by the color, SD14 is at the bottom?
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WYGINWYS - what you get is not what you saw.
Ted
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Lin Evans
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Not knowing which is which - there is more detail in the lower left image and more detail in the upper right image.. The clouds are much better defined in the lower left and the vegetation and building better defined in the upper right....
Best regards,
Lin
Best regards,
Lin
32 Images with the SD14 and Rodestock Apo-Gerogon 150/9 at f:11
DP3M at f:4.5
The resulting SD14 image is 9280x6149 pix, effective "sensor area" 73x48mm.
Perhaps Lasse will kindly tell us which is which.
Veiling flare because of lower contrast.
I know . . those smartphones can be so blurry . . ;-)
Galaxy S5 snapshot
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I prescribe a strong course of Alvin Langdon Coburn. ;-)
LasseS
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The SD14 is on top. 100% crop of each image to the right.
Considerably finer detail in the SD14 mosaic.
Correct colors in the SD14 image. exaggerated greens and contrast in the Merrill image. Small majority of my friends on Facebook prefer the Merrill. They have not seen the crops. This is as I suspected. More contrast and saturation always wins.
Both images use the full histogram. To me the SD14 has the best images of all Foveons, not considering pure resolution.
For convenience the Merrill is the obvious choice, but I love the handwork, and really enjoy using the equipment.
Considerably finer detail in the SD14 mosaic.
Correct colors in the SD14 image. exaggerated greens and contrast in the Merrill image. Small majority of my friends on Facebook prefer the Merrill. They have not seen the crops. This is as I suspected. More contrast and saturation always wins.
Both images use the full histogram. To me the SD14 has the best images of all Foveons, not considering pure resolution.
For convenience the Merrill is the obvious choice, but I love the handwork, and really enjoy using the equipment.
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Love & Joy is always worth it.Both images use the full histogram. To me the SD14 has the best images of all Foveons, not considering pure resolution.
For convenience the Merrill is the obvious choice, but I love the handwork, and really enjoy using the equipment.
I swap between my 1ds mk III from Canon, DP3M from SIgma and NEX-3 from Sony and my SD14 with the 18-200mm on daily basis - I get just the gear I liek to grab that day.
Sure fooled me!
I've had three SD14s and they've all had brighter greens and more chroma that the SD9, SD10, DP1 and 2s and the SD1M. No idea why and I'm not saying you're wrong.
What color made was the Merrill shot, may I ask?
Apropos my earlier comment, please ignore; the area I thought had veiling flare was lighter according to it's local histogram, 124 versus 107.
And yes, it's worth it, I now think
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rick decker
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The SD14's were (not unlike the SD9 especially), not known for the most accurate color. On the other hand, there were several at Foveon who felt it has the best "3d" (for lack of a better word) effect.
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JackM
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I figured the stitched SD14 image was on top, considering the extra resolution. In order for the crops on the right to be the same size, the DP3M image must be a 200% crop or so, while the SD14 crop must be 100%. Not a fair fight. I prefer the color of the bottom image. Often an "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a pleasing photograph are two different things.
32 Images with the SD14 and Rodestock Apo-Gerogon 150/9 at f:11
DP3M at f:4.5
The resulting SD14 image is 9280x6149 pix, effective "sensor area" 73x48mm.
Was it worth it? Personally I would never waste that kind of time and effort on a scene like this unless it was a pure experiment for self education purposes. It's not much of a photograph. For a good scene that is going to be displayed very very large, yeah, it would be worth it.
Dumb question, I have no experience with these rigs, would you actually get an image on the sensor with the lens so contorted like that? Or is your camera just posing?
rick decker
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Well I prefer the top picture also. I don't see enough difference in color to have a preference, but that is just the way my eyes see color. I wouldn't say it is a waste of time although you are probably not the only one to feel that way . You wouldn't do it. I did it once. The challenge is just to be able to do it. Here is a 26-shot pano (13x2) with the SD14 and the old 80-400. I did it just to see if I could, 12 years ago. I am still amazed by the detail every time I see it at full size but I never did anything with the image.
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Observatories at the top of Mauna Kea with Haleakala Maui in background
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jande9
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With the light hitting the sensor at extreme angles for the corner shots, do you have problems with CA?
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LasseS
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So true!
Lasse
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LasseS
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Sure fooled me!
I've had three SD14s and they've all had brighter greens and more chroma that the SD9, SD10, DP1 and 2s and the SD1M. No idea why and I'm not saying you're wrong.
What color made was the Merrill shot, may I ask?
Apropos my earlier comment, please ignore; the area I thought had veiling flare was lighter according to it's local histogram, 124 versus 107.
And yes, it's worth it, I now think
LasseS
Leading Member
Very good reply. This was just an experiment. The SD14 image is down sampled to match the DP3M image. 100% crops.I figured the stitched SD14 image was on top, considering the extra resolution. In order for the crops on the right to be the same size, the DP3M image must be a 200% crop or so, while the SD14 crop must be 100%. Not a fair fight. I prefer the color of the bottom image. Often an "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a pleasing photograph are two different things.
32 Images with the SD14 and Rodestock Apo-Gerogon 150/9 at f:11
DP3M at f:4.5
The resulting SD14 image is 9280x6149 pix, effective "sensor area" 73x48mm.
Was it worth it? Personally I would never waste that kind of time and effort on a scene like this unless it was a pure experiment for self education purposes. It's not much of a photograph. For a good scene that is going to be displayed very very large, yeah, it would be worth it.
Dumb question, I have no experience with these rigs, would you actually get an image on the sensor with the lens so contorted like that? Or is your camera just posing?
And yes, the camera is posing!
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