What display..?? I don't understand the question... said nothing about calibration... think I'm misunderstood
OK, I think I misunderstood the text, let it go.
Again you seem to misunderstand my Question, which is meant rethorical: The monitor does not come into play at all while profiling a printer-paper-ink.
Absolutely agree and I think I said so.
How else could a service make a profile for you - with chartprints from your printer - using a complete different computer and monitor than yours?
The process of making an output profile is separate from making a display profile. But as discussed, both play a role (indirectly).
Printer and monitor profiles indeed should work hand in hand, if correctly installed - BUT the profiling PROCESS is independend from each other, and so are the profiles: correct or not, good or bad, but never "knowing of each other". Because they are both output profiles, I have to repeat, and you won't do wrong when profiling a paper using an unknown even B&W monitor..
Yes, agreed, independent processes.
Now we seem to really talking past each other.. so I answer my question: 10 paper sorts, makes 10 profiles for 1 printer and 1 ink. would make 50 profiles for 5 printers, and 250 profiles for 250 printer-paper-ink-combinations. I'm less accurate, made only around 100 for my most used media (much experimenting with aquarell art papers)
IF you have 10 paper profiles, you
might have 10 calibration settings for the display which also means 10 display profiles. If you had 10 papers that were very similar in their paper white, dynamic range and using the same inkset, you
might only need 1 display calibration and thus 1 display profile.
If you had a paper with a vastly different paper white and contrast ratio from another, you'd ideally have two display calibrations, one for each, and therefore you'd have 2 display profiles too. So again, with 10 papers, the number of display profiles depends.
The huge advantage of a smart display system like SpectraView is:
- There's a tremendous amount of control over calibration such when soft proofing, you get a very good display to print match. The soft proof match isn't based solely on the output profile's preview table. Here's where the output profile and the display profile (and calibration) work hand in hand.
- You can build as many calibrations and thus profiles as you need for as many papers as you're using.
- You can switch on the fly from calibration and associated profile in the software to any other you've created.
The calibration takes place in the panel itself and controlled by the software. As you update the calibration of the display from paper A to paper B, the calibration for each is produced and the software loads the correct ICC profile that reflects the calibration. That's what a good reference grade, smart display system provides among other attributes.
You can calibrate to one aim point and hope the preview table in each ICC Profile will produce a soft proof that produces a good match to the print. But again, if the papers are vastly different, of you're working with differing printers, ONE calibration and profile doesn't fit all needs. That results in a mismatch between print and display. That's not ideal.
Most printers I know don't have any option for "hardware calibration".
It's not the printer per se, it's what drives that printer. The driver itself. There's virtually nothing to calibrate on most Epson's with the Epson driver. You can profile it of course.
You would need a special RIP, which cost more than a color munki.
Exactly. The so called RIP is the driver in this case.
My only printer which is capable to do so, is a HP B8850. The "calibration" of a printer is mainly adjusting the ink limits for each color channel... When processing a profile with the color munki, you use to switch off any color correction - BUT you can not switch off the choice of one paper out of the printer driver's list: This is equivalent to "calibration", because the printer wiil use different ink limits.
Not really IMHO. Calibration and optionally a different process, linearization, attempts to put the device in a desired behavior after which you profile that behavior. That's exactly what SpectraView is doing with it's multiple calibrations! Producing a behavior that results in a better visual match of print and display based on the paper and printer.
On my various Epson printers, I have no option with their driver to do anything but profile it's behavior. No calibration, no linearization. I could use a different driver (which may or may not be a RIP).
