320Mbps and beyond

FYI today was a good day and I did the test - 300 mbps 4K video almost two hours of record and more than 5 minutes resulting timelapse

So, DR of the camera significally improved compared to standart settings, but I find that 300 mbps is not enough for that kind of material. Yes, maybe there isn't question of bitrate, but in terms of bitrate and CTU here is just two screengrabs


little overexposed in the beginning for DR headroom after sunset


far more darken at finish line, here you can see the CTU

Maybe what I need is proper settings for timelapse or even somehow dynamic change it during the shoot, but it was a good test from pretty bright day to dark evening. Kinda demonstrative

If nx1 had the silent eshutter, the best thing to do for timelapse would be shooting stills.

outerbeat said:

FYI today was a good day and I did the test - 300 mbps 4K video almost two hours of record and more than 5 minutes resulting timelapse

So, DR of the camera significally improved compared to standart settings, but I find that 300 mbps is not enough for that kind of material. Yes, maybe there isn't question of bitrate, but in terms of bitrate and CTU here is just two screengrabs


little overexposed in the beginning for DR headroom after sunset


far more darken at finish line, here you can see the CTU

Maybe what I need is proper settings for timelapse or even somehow dynamic change it during the shoot, but it was a good test from pretty bright day to dark evening. Kinda demonstrative

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Don't forget that the main culprit here is the suspected NR, which would make a mess of encoding in 264 too.
nice test! thanks

Kino Seed said:

outerbeat said:

FYI today was a good day and I did the test - 300 mbps 4K video almost two hours of record and more than 5 minutes resulting timelapse

So, DR of the camera significally improved compared to standart settings, but I find that 300 mbps is not enough for that kind of material. Yes, maybe there isn't question of bitrate, but in terms of bitrate and CTU here is just two screengrabs


little overexposed in the beginning for DR headroom after sunset


far more darken at finish line, here you can see the CTU

Maybe what I need is proper settings for timelapse or even somehow dynamic change it during the shoot, but it was a good test from pretty bright day to dark evening. Kinda demonstrative

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Don't forget that the main culprit here is the suspected NR, which would make a mess of encoding in 264 too.
nice test! thanks

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As you know it looks like the NR is a bit different from NX1 to NX500, so at about 200Mbps, here looks quite decent (unfortunately can't confirm that 200Mbps is "stable" for me; for that I need to go to 180)

200MBps, UHD




original capture




used curves to show compression artifacts

Kino Seed said:

As you know it looks like the NR is a bit different from NX1 to NX500, so at about 200Mbps, here looks quite decent (unfortunately can't confirm that 200Mbps is "stable" for me; for that I need to go to 180)

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Yes, it's might be very the case, I think someone with both cameras can test this quite definitely and post results here. Or even I can find used nx500 here and do the test. I'd say your pics far more adequate than mine in this case. Can you try to capture evening/night sky on video with 800-1600 iso sometime?

Btw 180 looks fine, and about 200 I think there again about sdcards, my Sandisk works far more better with any hack version than my Transcend, at top bitrates Sandisk allow up to 20 sec @ 260mbps and very stable @ 200-220 mbps (easy 4-5 min without drops), and Transcend at top only 10 sec @ 220 mbps and stable @ 180-190

Kino Seed said:

outerbeat said:

Here is my 2c with NX1

Video xxxx56 - is 80 mbps UHD@30

Video xxxx57 - is 320 mbps UHD@30

Both have same settings, at first one sec it's 3200 ISO and after 6400 ISO. Here is the screengrabs:


ISO3200 - 80 mbps


ISO3200 - 320 mbps

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you probably need something mode dynamic to see the difference : )

however looking at your iso3200, makes me think I may have indeed turned my nr off (by accident) : ))

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From your first screenshot at 3200 it doesn't look like NR is off at all.

outerbeat said:

Kino Seed said:

As you know it looks like the NR is a bit different from NX1 to NX500, so at about 200Mbps, here looks quite decent (unfortunately can't confirm that 200Mbps is "stable" for me; for that I need to go to 180)

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Yes, it's might be very the case, I think someone with both cameras can test this quite definitely and post results here. Or even I can find used nx500 here and do the test. I'd say your pics far more adequate than mine in this case. Can you try to capture evening/night sky on video with 800-1600 iso sometime?

Btw 180 looks fine, and about 200 I think there again about sdcards, my Sandisk works far more better with any hack version than my Transcend, at top bitrates Sandisk allow up to 20 sec @ 260mbps and very stable @ 200-220 mbps (easy 4-5 min without drops), and Transcend at top only 10 sec @ 220 mbps and stable @ 180-190

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the sdcard is not the issue when it comes to the difference here
sounds like we use the same type - mine is SanDisk 64Gb ExtremePro 90/95MB/s
however it may be due to other camera settings, besides the different models

ISO 800-1600 is something I try to avoid at it appears it has very high NR
the ISOs settings that I prefer are 100 and 3200
(although ISO200 shows least noise, it seems it's also due to higher NR than iso100)

Not sure if I'll manage to get a comparative shot to yours, but I'll keep it in mind, and if the opportunity is there I'll record something for comparison.

Kino Seed said:

outerbeat said:

Kino Seed said:

As you know it looks like the NR is a bit different from NX1 to NX500, so at about 200Mbps, here looks quite decent (unfortunately can't confirm that 200Mbps is "stable" for me; for that I need to go to 180)

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Yes, it's might be very the case, I think someone with both cameras can test this quite definitely and post results here. Or even I can find used nx500 here and do the test. I'd say your pics far more adequate than mine in this case. Can you try to capture evening/night sky on video with 800-1600 iso sometime?

Btw 180 looks fine, and about 200 I think there again about sdcards, my Sandisk works far more better with any hack version than my Transcend, at top bitrates Sandisk allow up to 20 sec @ 260mbps and very stable @ 200-220 mbps (easy 4-5 min without drops), and Transcend at top only 10 sec @ 220 mbps and stable @ 180-190

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the sdcard is not the issue when it comes to the difference here
sounds like we use the same type - mine is SanDisk 64Gb ExtremePro 90/95MB/s
however it may be due to other camera settings, besides the different models

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Yes, that's good that we have same card, so diff now between cameras and settings. But diff sdcards also works different, so I just trying to state this for others - with same settings and enviroment on NX1, with any hack version some sdcards are better than other, but those differences not so big

Member said:

ISO 800-1600 is something I try to avoid at it appears it has very high NR
the ISOs settings that I prefer are 100 and 3200
(although ISO200 shows least noise, it seems it's also due to higher NR than iso100)

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Ok, It make sense. But again, if you remember that Vasiles thread about NR - I can't replicate your results, well, at all, with my tests. NX1 resuts was more random and I twice redid them without luck and for me ir hard to tell exact sense of it. Maybe I redo them with more understanding

Member said:

Not sure if I'll manage to get a comparative shot to yours, but I'll keep it in mind, and if the opportunity is there I'll record something for comparison.

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Yeah don't worry, if it goes - good, but if not that's ok too

Getting up there!

Kino Seed said:

outerbeat said:

Kino Seed said:

As you know it looks like the NR is a bit different from NX1 to NX500, so at about 200Mbps, here looks quite decent (unfortunately can't confirm that 200Mbps is "stable" for me; for that I need to go to 180)

Click to expand...

Yes, it's might be very the case, I think someone with both cameras can test this quite definitely and post results here. Or even I can find used nx500 here and do the test. I'd say your pics far more adequate than mine in this case. Can you try to capture evening/night sky on video with 800-1600 iso sometime?

Btw 180 looks fine, and about 200 I think there again about sdcards, my Sandisk works far more better with any hack version than my Transcend, at top bitrates Sandisk allow up to 20 sec @ 260mbps and very stable @ 200-220 mbps (easy 4-5 min without drops), and Transcend at top only 10 sec @ 220 mbps and stable @ 180-190

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the sdcard is not the issue when it comes to the difference here
sounds like we use the same type - mine is SanDisk 64Gb ExtremePro 90/95MB/s
however it may be due to other camera settings, besides the different models

ISO 800-1600 is something I try to avoid at it appears it has very high NR
the ISOs settings that I prefer are 100 and 3200
(although ISO200 shows least noise, it seems it's also due to higher NR than iso100)

Not sure if I'll manage to get a comparative shot to yours, but I'll keep it in mind, and if the opportunity is there I'll record something for comparison.

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Can you elaborate on the different ISO in video?

What you suggest is that, even though that seems that 200 is the base ISO for video, to prefer 100 for outside shooting, and 3200 for low light situations?

My preferences were 200 and maximum 800 for low light (with lights from me ofcourse, or else the A7sII is a monodrome), do you have any ideas about it?

Thanks, and thank you for everything that you are doing for the community.

sandro87 said:

From your first screenshot at 3200 it doesn't look like NR is off at all.

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That's exactly what I was implied previously, yes. And yes, I did check and turn NR off

AZcamera said:

Getting up there!

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Hi, thanks but I'm afraid that I didn't fully understand what are you trying to explain to me

outerbeat said:

Kino Seed said:

outerbeat said:

Kino Seed said:

As you know it looks like the NR is a bit different from NX1 to NX500, so at about 200Mbps, here looks quite decent (unfortunately can't confirm that 200Mbps is "stable" for me; for that I need to go to 180)

Click to expand...

Yes, it's might be very the case, I think someone with both cameras can test this quite definitely and post results here. Or even I can find used nx500 here and do the test. I'd say your pics far more adequate than mine in this case. Can you try to capture evening/night sky on video with 800-1600 iso sometime?

Btw 180 looks fine, and about 200 I think there again about sdcards, my Sandisk works far more better with any hack version than my Transcend, at top bitrates Sandisk allow up to 20 sec @ 260mbps and very stable @ 200-220 mbps (easy 4-5 min without drops), and Transcend at top only 10 sec @ 220 mbps and stable @ 180-190

Click to expand...

the sdcard is not the issue when it comes to the difference here
sounds like we use the same type - mine is SanDisk 64Gb ExtremePro 90/95MB/s
however it may be due to other camera settings, besides the different models

Click to expand...

Yes, that's good that we have same card, so diff now between cameras and settings. But diff sdcards also works different, so I just trying to state this for others - with same settings and enviroment on NX1, with any hack version some sdcards are better than other, but those differences not so big

outerbeat said:

ISO 800-1600 is something I try to avoid at it appears it has very high NR
the ISOs settings that I prefer are 100 and 3200
(although ISO200 shows least noise, it seems it's also due to higher NR than iso100)

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Ok, It make sense. But again, if you remember that Vasiles thread about NR - I can't replicate your results, well, at all, with my tests. NX1 resuts was more random and I twice redid them without luck and for me ir hard to tell exact sense of it. Maybe I redo them with more understanding

outerbeat said:

Not sure if I'll manage to get a comparative shot to yours, but I'll keep it in mind, and if the opportunity is there I'll record something for comparison.

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Yeah don't worry, if it goes - good, but if not that's ok too

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It's kind of cloudy today, but I think the quick test should shed some light on the reasons and the different results we get.
(those are results after using curves to expose the details of the sky)


iso1600 - 180Mbps




iso1600 - 320Mbps




iso100; 180Mbps; EV + 1.0


iso100; 180Mbps; EV -0.3

Kisaha said:

Kino Seed said:

outerbeat said:

Kino Seed said:

As you know it looks like the NR is a bit different from NX1 to NX500, so at about 200Mbps, here looks quite decent (unfortunately can't confirm that 200Mbps is "stable" for me; for that I need to go to 180)

Click to expand...

Yes, it's might be very the case, I think someone with both cameras can test this quite definitely and post results here. Or even I can find used nx500 here and do the test. I'd say your pics far more adequate than mine in this case. Can you try to capture evening/night sky on video with 800-1600 iso sometime?

Btw 180 looks fine, and about 200 I think there again about sdcards, my Sandisk works far more better with any hack version than my Transcend, at top bitrates Sandisk allow up to 20 sec @ 260mbps and very stable @ 200-220 mbps (easy 4-5 min without drops), and Transcend at top only 10 sec @ 220 mbps and stable @ 180-190

Click to expand...

the sdcard is not the issue when it comes to the difference here
sounds like we use the same type - mine is SanDisk 64Gb ExtremePro 90/95MB/s
however it may be due to other camera settings, besides the different models

ISO 800-1600 is something I try to avoid at it appears it has very high NR
the ISOs settings that I prefer are 100 and 3200
(although ISO200 shows least noise, it seems it's also due to higher NR than iso100)

Not sure if I'll manage to get a comparative shot to yours, but I'll keep it in mind, and if the opportunity is there I'll record something for comparison.

Click to expand...

Can you elaborate on the different ISO in video?

What you suggest is that, even though that seems that 200 is the base ISO for video, to prefer 100 for outside shooting, and 3200 for low light situations?

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In the tests we ran last week, (a few of us tested them) we saw that ISO200 gives least noise, however that does not mean imho, that this is the choice producing most detail, but rather it's a combined result from iso-noise and nr, and at least for me it looks like it does have higher NR than iso100.
From 200 onward NR becomes evident, up to 3200, where at least on my camera the high-frequency seems somewhat untouched, producing high noise, but less NR.
Grains I can live with - the digital processed look from NR - no so much.
When it comes to NR here I don't think we can speak of "one setting" that we dial up or down, but rather visual frequency band-stops, and different ones are activated for the different ISO settings, however at least to my eye, iso100 and iso300 are best because of the NR levels.

Kisaha said:

My preferences were 200 and maximum 800 for low light (with lights from me ofcourse, or else the A7sII is a monodrome), do you have any ideas about it?

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as Nx1 and NX500 may be handling NR differently, compare the ISO100 and 200, and look for the macroblocks in the highlights, and then pick the one which you think is better.
Personally I would have only 2 settings - iso100 and iso3200. The rest - I would rather sacrifice some softer look and open then aperture wide than move the ISO, but again - those are just personal preferences.

Kisaha said:

Thanks, and thank you for everything that you are doing for the community.

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cheers : )

Thank you very much, I will try to do some more tests soonish (before July I hope!). Cheers.

outerbeat said:

AZcamera said:

Getting up there!

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Hi, thanks but I'm afraid that I didn't fully understand what are you trying to explain to me

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Talking about bit rate, image quality, grading capabilities, and the overall progress of the firmware adjustments... And like the title, "200Mbps, is good enough for me," says it's getting up there... Hope that helps sum it up. I've been watching the forum from a far and thought to chime in. Been using Magic Lantern since 2010 and it's awesome to see such a great camera get attention.