Pentax K-1 outsells Canon FF models. Nikon FF is nowhere

User Error · May 5, 2016

Some fun facts from current Japanese sales.

In the Japanese BCN sales ranking the Pentax K-1 ranks at #8. No other FF comes even close to this. The bestselling FF behind it is the Canon 1D-X at #27, far behind.

Then a Canon 6 D kit at #31 and a 5DIII at #37.

The K-1 currently outsells all mirrorless models without exception in Japan.

Source: http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0008.html

Under the top 80 selling cameras there is just a single Nikon FF, camera, the cheap D750 with a slow lens kit, which is a a meagre #50, just a bit before the Pentax K-S1 at #61.

Even at a similar price point as the K-1 in Japan the Nikon D810 doesn't seem to be the quality the buyers there want, it is not under the top 80 cameras anymore. The K-1 is much more the quality camera people there seem to want.

With a Nikon general marketshare of about 10 times the one from Pentax the D500 just sells at a similar rate as the K-1. It seems even Nikonians are badly underwhelmed by it. 10 times worse than Pentaxians by the K-1. But it could also be the poor price/performance value today.

The top ten includes just a 1/10 mirrorless, the Canon M3.

Entry level APSC DSLRS still rule the camera world in Japan.

Pentax seems to have created a very good offering for their core market.

photogecko · May 5, 2016

You are reading far too much into this, the K-1 just came out here (Japan), why wouldn't you expect it to surge in sales?

DAVID MANZE · May 5, 2016

I'm seriously pleased for Pentax.... they deserve it, it is a good sign, but there has been a monumental build up to this moment over the years.......

.....I think we expected an initial rush......only time will tell how the sales pan out...

Now it's for Pentax to bring out the latest FW so that the review sites can show it's true colours!

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Barry Pearson · May 5, 2016

DAVID MANZE said:
I'm seriously pleased for Pentax.... they deserve it, it is a good sign, but there has been a monumental build up to this moment over the years.......

.....I think we expected an initial rush......only time will tell how the sales pan out...

I agree. We shouldn't read too much into short-term news like this. And it is too easy for Pentax enthusiasts to get carried away.

I've now had my K-1 nearly a week, and I am very happy with it. But it will never achieve enough sales to shift the marketplace dramatically. Size, cost, and the market share of Pentax, all work against that.

DAVID MANZE said:
Now it's for Pentax to bring out the latest FW so that the review sites can show it's true colours!

Chuckle! Yes, I read about problems, and I've made my own suggestions at Pentax Forums.

But it will also be interested to see what Ricoh does next with FF cameras. Simply a K-1II in a year or two? An entry-level FF camera? A top-tier FF camera? A range of cheaper FF lenses, to accompany an entry-level FF camera?

Note the question about cheaper lenses. Pentax enthusiasts often enthuse about all the older lenses that can be bought on eBay and other places. But I doubt if those are what new entry-level customers will buy. I would think they really want to buy "off the shelf current Pentax lenses". After all, that is typically what I buy!

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Yxa · May 5, 2016

User Error said:
Some fun facts from current Japanese sales.

In the Japanese BCN sales ranking the Pentax K-1 ranks at #8. No other FF comes even close to this. The bestselling FF behind it is the Canon 1D-X at #27, far behind.

Then a Canon 6 D kit at #31 and a 5DIII at #37.

The K-1 currently outsells all mirrorless models without exception in Japan.

Source: http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0008.html

Under the top 80 selling cameras there is just a single Nikon FF, camera, the cheap D750 with a slow lens kit, which is a a meagre #50, just a bit before the Pentax K-S1 at #61.

Even at a similar price point as the K-1 in Japan the Nikon D810 doesn't seem to be the quality the buyers there want, it is not under the top 80 cameras anymore. The K-1 is much more the quality camera people there seem to want.

With a Nikon general marketshare of about 10 times the one from Pentax the D500 just sells at a similar rate as the K-1. It seems even Nikonians are badly underwhelmed by it. 10 times worse than Pentaxians by the K-1. But it could also be the poor price/performance value today.

The top ten includes just a 1/10 mirrorless, the Canon M3.

Entry level APSC DSLRS still rule the camera world in Japan.

Pentax seems to have created a very good offering for their core market.

I bet Canon and Nikon are struck with fear

Petroglyph · May 5, 2016

User Error said:
Some fun facts from current Japanese sales.

Pentax seems to have created a very good offering for their core market.

My hope is Pentax establish enough of a market presence with the K1 to entice Sigma to offer some more K-mounts: like 150-600 S or C & some more of the 'Art' primes. Also, Ricoh will want to release a few more of the planned FF primes if they know they've created a larger market for them.

cheers.

photogecko · May 5, 2016

DAVID MANZE said:
I'm seriously pleased for Pentax.... they deserve it, it is a good sign, but there has been a monumental build up to this moment over the years.......

.....I think we expected an initial rush......only time will tell how the sales pan out...

Now it's for Pentax to bring out the latest FW so that the review sites can show it's true colours!

User Error · May 5, 2016

Petroglyph said:
User Error said:

Some fun facts from current Japanese sales.

Pentax seems to have created a very good offering for their core market.

Click to expand...

My hope is Pentax establish enough of a market presence with the K1 to entice Sigma to offer some more K-mounts: like 150-600 S or C & some more of the 'Art' primes. Also, Ricoh will want to release a few more of the planned FF primes if they know they've created a larger market for them.

cheers.

AS the kakaku charts also show impressive sales levels, this at least is a good start:

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kakaku.com

It would be interesting to see if the camera can keep that level for 4-5 weeks, because that would give an indication of the actual sales levels of all cameras, since we know the K-1 is initially produced as 7,000 units per month.

DrugaRunda · May 7, 2016

Isn't it a good event that there is a fourth option for FF cameras, even selling well to start with? (that was definitely far from certain)

More market variety has to be good for big brand users as well, hopefully you will get something out of it too, or at least a better price point...

DerFalke · Jun 16, 2016

I´m sorry, but don´t waste your precious time to talk to a wall.

Some people are unhappy with their life and going nuts for no reason. I´ve seen some comments from this user and he´s only against Pentax, never arguing, only bashing and trolling people who like, own and use Pentax or like to get a Pentax.

He commented some articles about the K1 very negative but got crazy as Pentaxians did ask why in the D810 review the K3 was compared instead the K1. He even tried to tell Pentaxians to get out because it´s a article about a Nikon...

Viperpr · Jun 16, 2016

Don t see it strange that a camera as the K1 with all the features it has and the low price is selling so well , it would not be normal if it would not sell well.

Seahbc · Jun 16, 2016

Petroglyph said:
User Error said:

Some fun facts from current Japanese sales.

Pentax seems to have created a very good offering for their core market.

Click to expand...

My hope is Pentax establish enough of a market presence with the K1 to entice Sigma to offer some more K-mounts: like 150-600 S or C & some more of the 'Art' primes. Also, Ricoh will want to release a few more of the planned FF primes if they know they've created a larger market for them.

cheers.

I predict Sigma's 1st new K mount lens would be for K-70 with the electronic diaphragm control. After all during one of the interviews, Sigma did mention the difficulties of porting lenses to k mount because of that aperture lever.

Barry Pearson · Jun 16, 2016

Seahbc said:
I predict Sigma's 1st new K mount lens would be for K-70 with the electronic diaphragm control. After all during one of the interviews, Sigma did mention the difficulties of porting lenses to k mount because of that aperture lever.

Let's remember that the new Pentax 55-3300mm that uses electronic diaphragm control will also be driven by the K-S!, K-S2, K-3II and K-1, once they have had their firmware updated.

So any Sigma lens that can only be driven that way can be used on the latest (2014 to 2016) five K-Mount Pentax SLRs.

That sounds good for Sigma and good for us.

Rosember · Jun 17, 2016

Barry Pearson said:
That sounds good for Sigma and good for us.

Good for us?

I am a K-3 shooter and have been waiting quite a while for Sigma to bring out their 150-600 lenses in K-mount. If it should proof true that a firmware update for the K-3 is impossible due to lack of ROM and that Sigma will put a KAF-4 mount on their lenses I cannot see much good for me as it would mean I would have to buy a new cam with the lens. (And: In that case I might prefer to go for Nikon's AF with the long lens which I had hoped to avoid so far.)

soheil · Jun 17, 2016

Why wouldn't they try to produce some kind of adapter for kaf4 to kaf3/2 ?

Twong · Jun 17, 2016

While I don't have a K1 or plan to get one, I am very interested in the 150-600.

Petroglyph said:
User Error said:

Some fun facts from current Japanese sales.

Pentax seems to have created a very good offering for their core market.

Click to expand...

My hope is Pentax establish enough of a market presence with the K1 to entice Sigma to offer some more K-mounts: like 150-600 S or C & some more of the 'Art' primes. Also, Ricoh will want to release a few more of the planned FF primes if they know they've created a larger market for them.

cheers.

jake14mw · Jun 17, 2016

Silly thread. The K-1 was just released. There was a 10 year buildup in demand for a Pentax full frame camera. Of course sales are higher than other models from Canon and Nikon.

The K-1 is a great camera that many Pentaxians have been waiting for and are very happy about, but drawing conclusions from these initial sales figures is silly. I do hope that having plugged the FF gap winds up leading to higher market share for Pentax with APS-C, full frame and MF cameras.

Alex Sarbu · Jun 17, 2016

soheil said:
Why wouldn't they try to produce some kind of adapter for kaf4 to kaf3/2 ?

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How? It would have to be precisely 0mm long...

This - just like in-lens motor support - is something that will become less problematic in time. And it didn't even start being problematic, as for now there's only one KAF4 lens.

Alex

Barry Pearson · Jun 17, 2016

Alex Sarbu said:
soheil said:

Why wouldn't they try to produce some kind of adapter for kaf4 to kaf3/2 ?

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How? It would have to be precisely 0mm long...

It would presumably be possible to produce a lens which would be driven the old way with older cameras, and the new way with the latest five cameras (and future ones).

(Hm! I doubt if I'm going to discover that my latest D FA lenses can work both ways!)

Alex Sarbu said:
This - just like in-lens motor support - is something that will become less problematic in time. And it didn't even start being problematic, as for now there's only one KAF4 lens.

It will be interesting to see whether the new D FA lenses on the FF roadmap will be KAF4 lenses. After all, the K-1 will support them. (Along with the K-S1, K-S2, K-3II, and K-70).

Will these lenses offer burst-rate improvements? Perhaps not, because that appears to be limited by a combination of the K-1 sensor and the lens's focusing speed.

Will they be quieter? I assume so, (or rather the camera + lens should be, just a little bit).

soheil · Jun 17, 2016

Something like an extender with minimal magnification.

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