Tripod for photographing documents with horizontal arm to replace Manfrotto 3021 BPRO

Hi everyone,

I am interested in replacing my Manfrotto 3021 BPRO. I use it for lots of things and it's been good. But it's heavy and long.

I am a historian and the feature I need the most is a horizontal arm so that I can photograph documents while doing research. The Manfrotto does this exceptionally well, but since I take it traveling it's bulk can be a pain.

Are there lighter weight alternatives that anyone can recommend? I have read various forum posts, learned a little about some of the Giottos, the Mountaineer, and others.

I am grateful for any recommendations.

Thanks
you might try to get a Nikon PF-4 Repro-Copy Outfit. If you are copying single sheets of paper an electrostatic board would also be handy. The Nikon PFC-2 is a copying stand that has a wooden case for it. If you are serious about doing copy work, then get a setup that is designed for it.

If you are using a Nikon or Canon camera, you can also attach a CamRanger to your camera so you will have less issues in framing and remote controlling the camera.

Mountaineer is Gitzo's trade name for it's line of light weight carbon fiber tripods. Rather than use the horizontal column, Gitzo Mountaineers can invert the column and mount the camera so that it slides towards the ground or table. If you used a Camranger with this setup, it would make it easier for you to make your copies. If you have something like a Arca Swiss P0 head, you will be able to level the camera platform quickly. Then just slide the clamp into the 90 degree position (portrait) and attach the camera. Slide the center column up and down to achieve framing and take you shot. I suggest you use a fairly short flat field lens (like a 60mm macro lens) to do the copying. If you find that sliding the center column up and down is to imprecise, you could always add a macro rail to this setup.

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Cliff
Thank you. That looks like it would work very well and appears quite similar to the stands they have in the British National Archives. But it would be bulky to travel with something like this--and all of the work I need to do requires traveling with the equipment. Apologies if this was not clear. Thanks again
The Nikon PF-2 is a traveling model. The base is actually a box where the parts of the Repro Copy Outfit is stored. Here is a image of the Nikon PF-2 with an F2 attached. My macro unit is built on the PB-6/PB-6E bellows units with an EL Nikkor enlarging lens attached. This one way that no curvature of field can creep in. Of course, if you are only in being able to read the documents and not interested in getting museum quality images, then a macro lens on a camera attached to the PF-2 will do the job. It sounds like the PF-2 will be smaller when packed than your tripod and arm.

The hard part is getting one. The copy stands were originally designed for the Nikon F2 and F3. I've seen a PF-4 for sale on EBAY (US) but no PF-2 stands. This is something to keep your eyes open for if you think it will work for you. Since you're in the UK, you have EBAY UK and other resources.

Here's an image of a Nikon PF-2 disassembled in the box. I noticed that the auction for the PF-2 was conducted in the UK.

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Cliff
Thanks again--this does look a real possibility. And you're right: I just need readability not museum quality. By the way, I am in the US; I've just done work in the UK. Thanks again
The Nikon copy stands were from the 70s. Here's hoping you find the equipment you need. I carry a Gitzo GT1544T whenever I fly and that tripod can also reverse it's center column to do copy work. I have the Gitzo Series 1 Traveler Head (GH1382TQD) head attached. The tripod weighs about 2lbs and is about 16" long in travel configuration. This is a time where a camera with good live view function and an articulated LCD would come in handy. If you're interested, wait for a Gitzo rebate sale and then look at the pricing from B&H. I purchased Gitzo tripods a couple of years ago for a total of $400 off ($200 off from B&H and a $200 rebate from Gitzo). The were last year's model but that didn't bother me. I sold my crop of 1994 Gitzo carbon fiber because I wanted to get the latest features that Gitzo was putting in their tripods.

I just purchased a Fuji X-E2 system as my travel system. I took it to Valley of Fire State Park and was pretty impressed with it's performance. Of course it's APS-C so the sensor is fairly large (1/2 of an FX sensor). This camera with lens weighs 1/2 of what my Nikon Df with lens weighs (my FX travel camera). Although not as comprehensive as Nikon, Fuji lenses are very good even when compared to my Nikon Pro lenses (SLRgear.com has sharpness comparisons).

Anyways good luck with you search for gear.

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Cliff
The Gitzo does look awfully nice! And with the rebates you suggest they approach being a little more affordable. I am using an Olympus OMD EM1 with an articulated LCD. I have yet to set it up but one reason I bought the EM1 was for its tethering feature. I used a Canon some years ago that I could tether and being able to operate the camera via computer for documents was a real time saver. Thanks again.
 
Hi everyone,

I am interested in replacing my Manfrotto 3021 BPRO. I use it for lots of things and it's been good. But it's heavy and long.

I am a historian and the feature I need the most is a horizontal arm so that I can photograph documents while doing research. The Manfrotto does this exceptionally well, but since I take it traveling it's bulk can be a pain.

Are there lighter weight alternatives that anyone can recommend? I have read various forum posts, learned a little about some of the Giottos, the Mountaineer, and others.

I am grateful for any recommendations.

Thanks
you might try to get a Nikon PF-4 Repro-Copy Outfit. If you are copying single sheets of paper an electrostatic board would also be handy. The Nikon PFC-2 is a copying stand that has a wooden case for it. If you are serious about doing copy work, then get a setup that is designed for it.

If you are using a Nikon or Canon camera, you can also attach a CamRanger to your camera so you will have less issues in framing and remote controlling the camera.

Mountaineer is Gitzo's trade name for it's line of light weight carbon fiber tripods. Rather than use the horizontal column, Gitzo Mountaineers can invert the column and mount the camera so that it slides towards the ground or table. If you used a Camranger with this setup, it would make it easier for you to make your copies. If you have something like a Arca Swiss P0 head, you will be able to level the camera platform quickly. Then just slide the clamp into the 90 degree position (portrait) and attach the camera. Slide the center column up and down to achieve framing and take you shot. I suggest you use a fairly short flat field lens (like a 60mm macro lens) to do the copying. If you find that sliding the center column up and down is to imprecise, you could always add a macro rail to this setup.
 
Keep yours peeled on eBay and elsewhere for one of these: Etoile Suporphot Tabletop Tripod
I have one --- new in the original box -- with the lights: $200. (NB: Rubber collars are disintegrating)

How about a Pentax Copipod?

Have you considered something like a Manfrotto Super Clamp with a 2 section Articulating Arm? Smaller kit than a tripod and can clamp onto a chair as well as some tables. Avoid flexible arms -- they tend to droop.
 
Hi everyone,

I am interested in replacing my Manfrotto 3021 BPRO. I use it for lots of things and it's been good. But it's heavy and long.

I am a historian and the feature I need the most is a horizontal arm so that I can photograph documents while doing research. The Manfrotto does this exceptionally well, but since I take it traveling it's bulk can be a pain.

Are there lighter weight alternatives that anyone can recommend? I have read various forum posts, learned a little about some of the Giottos, the Mountaineer, and others.

I am grateful for any recommendations.

Thanks
I use the Promaster Tripod Accessory Tilt Arm. It has locking teeth on the tilt adjustment, and set screws on the head to lock a ball head or other head. It has a 3/8" threaded hole on the other end; I screw in a hook or spud and use a small bag with one or two water bottles as a counter weight for stability. A single rail macro slide will make precise height adjustments.

While it is possible to screw this directly into the camera base, I prefer to use a ball head for precise leveling with a bubble level placed on the camera LCD screen.

If I need to run the arm out far, then I can screw in a Manfrotto 259B Extension and then attach the hook and counter weight. The arm is 12.5" long, so with ball head I can get up to 15" clearance. The Manfrotto extends to 10" and provides good counter balance.

When photographing large books, I usually want to shoot in portrait orientation. I use Arca mount ball head and custom L-bracket on the camera that does not allow rotation. I use a remote shutter cable, but many cameras have the plug on the left side which can interfere with the cable. In that case, I use a Really Right Stuff cable relief spacer or a Kirk LBA-1 USB Spacer Block (if the RRS one doesn't work). The RRS spacer is easier to put on, but has limited adjustment and doesn't work on some ARCA rails. Of course, the spacer blocks add another inch of clearance.

Finally, sometimes I need to shoot at odd angles. I use a Zenza Bronica ETR Right Angle Tripod Adapter on the end of the Promaster if I need to rotate my gear 90 degrees. It doesn't have set screws, but it does have a rubber pad that holds firmly.

The advantage is I can use this on any tripod. Tripod selection can be made on the basis of other considerations like size/weight/cost without the limitation of a built in arm.

And there you have it.
 

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