Lightroom vs Photoshop ?

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Basic (?) question: apart from the "cataloguing" side, is there something that LR does better than PS, or is there something that LR does and PS doesn't ?

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There's a pretty significant difference in how LR and Photoshop operate and there are some significant factual advantages to LR (assuming we're talking PS proper, not ACR):

LR processes all data high bit, wide gamut even if the data isn't such. PS doesn't.

LR has an adaptive interpolation, it's a steeples resampling so to speak. You don't have to set anything; it's smarter than PS and knows if you're sampling up or down. PS has five options for interpolation.

LR provides unlimited History steps which remain with the image data (database). Photoshop doesn't and you lose history the second you close the document.

LR provides all processing applied by the user in what Adobe feels is best order. You can move about the controls...
So in an nutshell Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, is a subset of Photoshop.

Regards Patsym
Except for the parts of Lightroom that are not subsets of Photoshop. Specifically
  • Library Module
  • Web Module
  • Map Module
  • Slideshow Module
  • Publish Services
  • total workflow solution
  • and small features of the Lightroom Editor which are not in Photoshop (but are in ACR) as mentioned by digidog
 
I do a lot of different versions of the same photo: B&W, Cropped etc etc. As a RAW shooter, LR's virtual copies saves a ton of diskspace.
Since LR arrived, I have always viewed PS as a pixel editor and photo editor only when needed.
That is interesting. When I took some courses they told us PS is for the designer and LR is for the photographer. Not to say photographers can't use PS but I interpreted that as "working photographer" that does lot of editing and time is an issue.

I use both. Before LR I hated mass editing. Today I'm not sure could live without LR. For my hobby shots I use mostly PS but play around with LR. LR is excellent at exporting but you are limited to High, Standard and Low for export sharpening. It does a great job but I like to have more control for my hobby shots. I have actions I use that incorporate PS resizing and Smart Sharpening combined with an edge sharpening method. You over sharpen on purpose and then feather back. I have found no two images are alike when you are playing around with fine detail like birds eyes, etc.


I realize there is 3rd party sharpening software out there for LR and PS but I'm pretty happy with my workflow now. Also I have some B&W conversion methods that I can only with PS amongst a few other things. If I do run across a lot of cloning I will edit in PS and save it back into LR. I've never really liked LR cloning tools.
 
I do a lot of different versions of the same photo: B&W, Cropped etc etc. As a RAW shooter, LR's virtual copies saves a ton of diskspace.
Since LR arrived, I have always viewed PS as a pixel editor and photo editor only when needed.
That is interesting. When I took some courses they told us PS is for the designer and LR is for the photographer.
Who ever told you that is a recent PS user and not correct!

As someone who purchased the first released version of Photoshop specifically for editing photography, let me also point out:

1. Photo is in the name! ;-)

2. Before the Knolls sold Photoshop to Adobe, it was called Barrneyscan and it was used to drive a film scanner!

In those old days, designers were using tools like PageMaker, Quark. Photographers were using Photoshop or it's competitor at the time, ColorStudio (which had many advanced features PS didn't at the time).
 
I do a lot of different versions of the same photo: B&W, Cropped etc etc. As a RAW shooter, LR's virtual copies saves a ton of diskspace.
Since LR arrived, I have always viewed PS as a pixel editor and photo editor only when needed.
That is interesting. When I took some courses they told us PS is for the designer and LR is for the photographer. Not to say photographers can't use PS but I interpreted that as "working photographer" that does lot of editing and time is an issue.

I use both. Before LR I hated mass editing. Today I'm not sure could live without LR. For my hobby shots I use mostly PS but play around with LR. LR is excellent at exporting but you are limited to High, Standard and Low for export sharpening. It does a great job but I like to have more control for my hobby shots. I have actions I use that incorporate PS resizing and Smart Sharpening combined with an edge sharpening method. You over sharpen on purpose and then feather back. I have found no two images are alike when you are playing around with fine detail like birds eyes, etc.

http://www.earthboundlight.com/phot...art-sharpening.html?search=edge+mask&bool=and

I realize there is 3rd party sharpening software out there for LR and PS but I'm pretty happy with my workflow now. Also I have some B&W conversion methods that I can only with PS amongst a few other things. If I do run across a lot of cloning I will edit in PS and save it back into LR. I've never really liked LR cloning tools.
"That is interesting. When I took some courses they told us PS is for the designer and LR is for the photographer."

And you believed them ? tut tut tut.

Regards Patsym
 
I do a lot of different versions of the same photo: B&W, Cropped etc etc. As a RAW shooter, LR's virtual copies saves a ton of diskspace.
Since LR arrived, I have always viewed PS as a pixel editor and photo editor only when needed.
That is interesting. When I took some courses they told us PS is for the designer and LR is for the photographer. Not to say photographers can't use PS but I interpreted that as "working photographer" that does lot of editing and time is an issue.

I use both. Before LR I hated mass editing. Today I'm not sure could live without LR. For my hobby shots I use mostly PS but play around with LR. LR is excellent at exporting but you are limited to High, Standard and Low for export sharpening. It does a great job but I like to have more control for my hobby shots. I have actions I use that incorporate PS resizing and Smart Sharpening combined with an edge sharpening method. You over sharpen on purpose and then feather back. I have found no two images are alike when you are playing around with fine detail like birds eyes, etc.

http://www.earthboundlight.com/phot...art-sharpening.html?search=edge+mask&bool=and

I realize there is 3rd party sharpening software out there for LR and PS but I'm pretty happy with my workflow now. Also I have some B&W conversion methods that I can only with PS amongst a few other things. If I do run across a lot of cloning I will edit in PS and save it back into LR. I've never really liked LR cloning tools.
"That is interesting. When I took some courses they told us PS is for the designer and LR is for the photographer."

And you believed them ? tut tut tut.

Regards Patsym
I already had PS and had taken courses over 8 years ago. This was a LR intro about 4 years ago. I had tried the month trial a few times but still was not sold. I finally got it about year later. I guess they were just giving a general overview.
 
So in an nutshell Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, is a subset of Photoshop.

Regards Patsym
I think your statement here is a little misleading. If Lr is a subset of Photoshop, then PS can do everything that Lr can? PSE can be viewed as a subset of PS... not Lr.


Photoshop is a pixel level editor. Lr is not.


Lr is a non-destructive editor. Ps is not.


However... they are both great programs. I highly recommend photographers use both as they are great in their specialized capabilities.. and complemented by the other.
 
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Photoshop has lots of filters and design tools that would not normally be used by Photographers who do not often make alterations, distortions, removal of objects, creative designs and the like

I would use 10% of the tools available in Photoshop but 75% of the tools available in Lightroom.

For me Lightroom is an application for managing, processing and sharing large volumes of raw files from digital cameras, it also has the ability to work with other already processed photo files like jpeg and tiff files, however I consider working with raw files to be its core function. It certainly is not an alternative to Photoshop.

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Denis de Gannes
 
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I can do things in PS with scripts and actions that aren't possible in LR. For example, if ABC.jpg is the file name, put text on the image saying ABC.
There's a LR export plug-in that can do that, with no action recording or scripting required.
And I can batch process hundreds of images with one click.
That's exactly what Lightroom export does. And in bulk, it's so much faster than Photoshop running each individual image through the actions and scripts. Of course, there are a few things you can do with PS actions/scripts you can't do with LR, but that's always been the case. The reason for LR is that for most of the tasks most need to do, it's more streamlined in LR. For the edge cases that a few power users need to do, sure, it's worth doing the more complicated setup and slower bulk processing from PS/Bridge. That's why they give us the choice to use either.

It does no good to charge that someone might not be "serious" or "pro" if they chose LR over PS, not with the legions of real pros who switched from PS to LR for most of their work.
 
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Photoshop has lots of filters and design tools that would not normally be used by Photographers who do not often make alterations, distortions, removal of objects, creative designs and the like

I would use 10% of the tools available in Photoshop but 75% of the tools available in Lightroom.

For me Lightroom is an application for managing, processing and sharing large volumes of raw files from digital cameras, it also has the ability to work with other already processed photo files like jpeg and tiff files, however I consider working with raw files to be its core function. It certainly is not an alternative to Photoshop.

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Denis de Gannes
If you're a designer then you would use photoshop for 75%. You don't have layers in Lightroom. As a matter a fact you'd probably would be using the creative suite instead of Lightroom. Both LR and photoshop are in the suite, so you'd have all the tools for editing and converting photo's and design tools.
 
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I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. For me the Bridge and ACR function in Photoshop is not needed.

Actually that is why there is no Lightroom CC plan. Adobe offers the Adobe Photoshop Photographers plan. This provides you with the Photoshop Creative Suite with Lightroom as a "free gratis" addition. The major functions of Lightroom i.e the file management and develop module have a built in alternative in Photoshop with bridge and Adobe Camera Raw.

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Denis de Gannes
 
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I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. For me the Bridge and ACR function in Photoshop is not needed.

Actually that is why there is no Lightroom CC plan. Adobe offers the Adobe Photoshop Photographers plan. This provides you with the Photoshop Creative Suite with Lightroom as a "free gratis" addition. The major functions of Lightroom i.e the file management and develop module have a built in alternative in Photoshop with bridge and Adobe Camera Raw.

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Denis de Gannes
If you only use 2 of the creative suite apps then why use it? You'd be better of with the photographers plan for ten bucks a month.

Indesign, Illustrator, Photoshop and maybe web and movie develop tools are typical design tools, certainly not LR.
 
So in an nutshell Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, is a subset of Photoshop.

Regards Patsym
Except for the parts of Lightroom that are not subsets of Photoshop. Specifically
  • Library Module
  • Web Module
  • Map Module
  • Slideshow Module
  • Publish Services
  • total workflow solution
  • and small features of the Lightroom Editor which are not in Photoshop (but are in ACR) as mentioned by digidog
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Paige Miller
Photoshop is more a designer tool nowadays with it's web and filter/layer features.

There has been a shift from Photoshop to LR for most photographers. Raw development tools are now mostly the preferred editing method. LR, c1 pro and the likes took quite a bit of market share from Photoshop.
 
I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. For me the Bridge and ACR function in Photoshop is not needed.

Actually that is why there is no Lightroom CC plan. Adobe offers the Adobe Photoshop Photographers plan. This provides you with the Photoshop Creative Suite with Lightroom as a "free gratis" addition. The major functions of Lightroom i.e the file management and develop module have a built in alternative in Photoshop with bridge and Adobe Camera Raw.
 
Basic (?) question: apart from the "cataloguing" side, is there something that LR does better than PS, or is there something that LR does and PS doesn't ?
The Develop module in LR is pretty much functionality equivalent to ACR (Adobe Camera Raw). There are a few features in LR you can't find in ACR; virtual copies, proof copies, unlimited history and so forth. But you can bounce back and forth between the two if you wanted to (assuming both were on version parity).

Then there are the various modules which may or may not be important to you. For me, the Print module is worth the price of admission alone. Photoshop has, from day one, been a 'one image at a time' affair and if you need to print a lot of images, it's really slow! The Print module is much more efficient in so many ways. We can go there if a printing workflow is something you need to discuss.

Like printing, if you need to prep lots and lots of images, LR is vastly more streamlined. Say you want to take 100 raw's and process them to a smaller size, convert to sRGB, create JPEG's and strip out some EXIF data. Select, pick an Export Preset (build it, use it as often as you desire); done. In Photoshop, you'd have to spend the time opening each 100 images just to start the process (and no, droplets are not the answer; PS still has to open each image before you can do anything, one at a time).

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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
That's why LR was developed. For the pro's who need to select and edit lots of photographs for the newspaper or other companies so they have the images in a timely manner. Photoshop is not build for that. Photoshop has been developed for in depth editing and design.
 
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Basic (?) question: apart from the "cataloguing" side, is there something that LR does better than PS, or is there something that LR does and PS doesn't ?
The Develop module in LR is pretty much functionality equivalent to ACR (Adobe Camera Raw). There are a few features in LR you can't find in ACR; virtual copies, proof copies, unlimited history and so forth. But you can bounce back and forth between the two if you wanted to (assuming both were on version parity).

Then there are the various modules which may or may not be important to you. For me, the Print module is worth the price of admission alone. Photoshop has, from day one, been a 'one image at a time' affair and if you need to print a lot of images, it's really slow! The Print module is much more efficient in so many ways. We can go there if a printing workflow is something you need to discuss.

Like printing, if you need to prep lots and lots of images, LR is vastly more streamlined. Say you want to take 100 raw's and process them to a smaller size, convert to sRGB, create JPEG's and strip out some EXIF data. Select, pick an Export Preset (build it, use it as often as you desire); done. In Photoshop, you'd have to spend the time opening each 100 images just to start the process (and no, droplets are not the answer; PS still has to open each image before you can do anything, one at a time).
 
I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. For me the Bridge and ACR function in Photoshop is not needed.

Actually that is why there is no Lightroom CC plan. Adobe offers the Adobe Photoshop Photographers plan. This provides you with the Photoshop Creative Suite with Lightroom as a "free gratis" addition. The major functions of Lightroom i.e the file management and develop module have a built in alternative in Photoshop with bridge and Adobe Camera Raw.
 
I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. For me the Bridge and ACR function in Photoshop is not needed.

Actually that is why there is no Lightroom CC plan. Adobe offers the Adobe Photoshop Photographers plan. This provides you with the Photoshop Creative Suite with Lightroom as a "free gratis" addition. The major functions of Lightroom i.e the file management and develop module have a built in alternative in Photoshop with bridge and Adobe Camera Raw.

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Denis de Gannes
If you only use 2 of the creative suite apps then why use it? You'd be better of with the photographers plan for ten bucks a month.
Where did you read Denis only uses two CC apps?

I too subscribe to the full package and 90% of the time use just LR and PS. But InDesign and Acrobat too.

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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
This part?!

"I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop."

He has the creative suite but only uses LR and Photoshop. I don't read any other names of apps available in the creative suite.
Oh boy, why speculate? He did NOT say he ONLY uses those two apps. Nowhere. He doesn't have to say, and you don't have to read other names within the CC suite but you can speculate and assume he doesn't use anything else; kind of pointless to do so.

So no, not this part?!

My main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. JUST Like Denis. And yet, probably like Denis, I occasionally use InDesign, Acrobat and Muse. Clear?

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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
 
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I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. For me the Bridge and ACR function in Photoshop is not needed.

Actually that is why there is no Lightroom CC plan. Adobe offers the Adobe Photoshop Photographers plan. This provides you with the Photoshop Creative Suite with Lightroom as a "free gratis" addition. The major functions of Lightroom i.e the file management and develop module have a built in alternative in Photoshop with bridge and Adobe Camera Raw.

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Denis de Gannes
If you only use 2 of the creative suite apps then why use it? You'd be better of with the photographers plan for ten bucks a month.
Where did you read Denis only uses two CC apps?

I too subscribe to the full package and 90% of the time use just LR and PS. But InDesign and Acrobat too.

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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
This part?!

"I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop."

He has the creative suite but only uses LR and Photoshop. I don't read any other names of apps available in the creative suite.
Oh boy, why speculate? He did NOT say he ONLY uses those two apps. Nowhere. He doesn't have to say, and you don't have to read other names within the CC suite but you can speculate and assume he doesn't use anything else; kind of pointless to do so.

So no, not this part?!

My main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. JUST Like Denis. And yet, probably like Denis, I occasionally use InDesign, Acrobat and Muse. Clear?

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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
He only names LR and Photoshop specifically. I don't read anywhere in this thread he's using any other apps from the suite. So no speculation, that's your part.

I would love to see a subscription plan for Illustrator, Photoshop, Indesign, Acrobat pro.

Why pay for 10+ apps when i only need and use 4.

But that is just smart business from Adobe, FORCING you to rent the complete suite if you need certain pro apps.
 
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I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. For me the Bridge and ACR function in Photoshop is not needed.

Actually that is why there is no Lightroom CC plan. Adobe offers the Adobe Photoshop Photographers plan. This provides you with the Photoshop Creative Suite with Lightroom as a "free gratis" addition. The major functions of Lightroom i.e the file management and develop module have a built in alternative in Photoshop with bridge and Adobe Camera Raw.
 
I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. For me the Bridge and ACR function in Photoshop is not needed.

Actually that is why there is no Lightroom CC plan. Adobe offers the Adobe Photoshop Photographers plan. This provides you with the Photoshop Creative Suite with Lightroom as a "free gratis" addition. The major functions of Lightroom i.e the file management and develop module have a built in alternative in Photoshop with bridge and Adobe Camera Raw.

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Denis de Gannes
If you only use 2 of the creative suite apps then why use it? You'd be better of with the photographers plan for ten bucks a month.
Where did you read Denis only uses two CC apps?

I too subscribe to the full package and 90% of the time use just LR and PS. But InDesign and Acrobat too.

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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
This part?!

"I have the creative suite, my main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop."

He has the creative suite but only uses LR and Photoshop. I don't read any other names of apps available in the creative suite.
Oh boy, why speculate? He did NOT say he ONLY uses those two apps. Nowhere. He doesn't have to say, and you don't have to read other names within the CC suite but you can speculate and assume he doesn't use anything else; kind of pointless to do so.

So no, not this part?!

My main workflow is working with the raw files from my digital camera that why my choice is to work with Lightroom to ingest the raw's via the import process then render the files using Lightroom. If I need additional editing then I use the edit in function from Lightroom to Photoshop. JUST Like Denis. And yet, probably like Denis, I occasionally use InDesign, Acrobat and Muse. Clear?

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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
He only names LR and Photoshop specifically. I don't read anywhere in this thread he's using any other apps from the suite.
Why not ask him or wait for him to reply instead of suggesting he's wasting his money buying the full suite when you assume he's only use two of the apps!
So no speculation, that's your part.
You serious?
I would love to see a subscription plan for Illustrator, Photoshop, Indesign, Acrobat pro.
Me too. Good luck with that.
Why pay for 10+ apps when i only need and use 4.
Because that's how Adobe decides they want to market their product. Why doesn't every cell phone provider allow unlimited everything for $20?
But that is just smart business from Adobe, FORCING you to rent the complete suite if you need certain pro apps.
You own stock in Adobe? Go to a shareholder meeting and suggest it.

In the meantime, Adobe is doing very, very well with the subscription model!

http://prodesigntools.com/creative-cloud-one-million-paid-members.html

Adobe’s Creative Cloud has been available for over three years now and continues to gain strong adoption in the marketplace, the latest published figures show.

Lately the rate of paid memberships has approached almost 1 million per quarter – adding 798,000 new subscribers in the past quarter alone (or 57,000 new customers each week) – which means that total number of subscribers has now reached 7 million since the
CC product line replaced Creative Suite in June 2013.

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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
Affinity will draw people away from Adobe once it's availble for Windows quarter 3 this year. 50 dollars for a Photo Editor, vector tool and probably also an indesign competitor. All just for 50 bucks a piece, no rental, developers wo actually listen to the designers/users wich features they want. Bye bye Adobe.

We will see next year how well they will do.

If i have to wait for his answer, then why you're replying/answering for him. You clearly don't know what he's using.
 
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