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I'm planning to switch to Iridient Developer as my main raw processor, after tearing myself away from Aperture (RIP, thanks Apple), so I'm going to need a new way to manage my image files.

Photos is the obvious choice, since its included with OS X, but I'm not taken with it so far. What are some alternative DAMs I should consider? Preferably that would be convenient to use with Iridient and Affinity.
 
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I'm planning to switch to Iridient Developer as my main raw processor, after tearing myself away from Aperture (RIP, thanks Apple), so I'm going to need a new way to manage my image files.

Photos is the obvious choice, since its included with OS X, but I'm not taken with it so far. What are some alternative DAMs I should consider? Preferably that would be convenient to use with Iridient and Affinity.
The pickings are a bit slim if what you're after is a full asset manager in the style of Aperture minus raw developing functionality. Phase One's powerful Media Pro springs to mind, but because Phase One is slowly integrating Media Pro's functionality into Capture One Pro (their combined DAM/raw developer), there is some uncertainty if Media Pro will continue to be developed.

If a file browser will do, Adobe Bridge can be downloaded and used for free without needing to subscribe to the Creative Cloud, and Photo Mechanic is highly regarded by photojournalists, but not free.

Don't forget you can use folders in the Finder!
 
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I'm planning to switch to Iridient Developer as my main raw processor, after tearing myself away from Aperture (RIP, thanks Apple), so I'm going to need a new way to manage my image files.

Photos is the obvious choice, since its included with OS X, but I'm not taken with it so far. What are some alternative DAMs I should consider? Preferably that would be convenient to use with Iridient and Affinity.
This has been discussed here frequently; here for example:


I wish we could make list with brief, non-opinionated descriptions, since this comes up often, and post it as a sticky, but this site doesn't do those AFAIK.

Here's just a start:
  1. Lightroom
  2. Adobe Bridge
  3. Capture One
  4. Mylio
  5. Apple Photos
  6. Aftershot Pro
  7. Photos Supreme
  8. Darktable
  9. FastRawViewer
  10. Emulsion
  11. XnviewMP
  12. Graphic Converter
  13. Lyn
  14. Photo Mechanic
  15. Rawtherapee
  16. Whatever came with your camera
I'm sure I've missed some. The list includes PIE-type DAMs like Lr or Photos, and those that are browsers, some of which can keep images in a catalog, some that merely go where you point 'em.

Feel free to amend this list.
 
Here's just a start:
  1. Lightroom
  2. Adobe Bridge
  3. Capture One
  4. Mylio
  5. Apple Photos
  6. Aftershot Pro
  7. Photos Supreme
  8. Darktable
  9. FastRawViewer
  10. Emulsion
  11. XnviewMP
  12. Graphic Converter
  13. Lyn
  14. Photo Mechanic
  15. Rawtherapee
  16. Whatever came with your camera
I'm sure I've missed some. The list includes PIE-type DAMs like Lr or Photos, and those that are browsers, some of which can keep images in a catalog, some that merely go where you point 'em.

Feel free to amend this list.
 
Here's just a start:
  1. Lightroom
  2. Adobe Bridge
  3. Capture One
  4. Mylio
  5. Apple Photos
  6. Aftershot Pro
  7. Photos Supreme
  8. Darktable
  9. FastRawViewer
  10. Emulsion
  11. XnviewMP
  12. Graphic Converter
  13. Lyn
  14. Photo Mechanic
  15. Rawtherapee
  16. Whatever came with your camera
I'm sure I've missed some. The list includes PIE-type DAMs like Lr or Photos, and those that are browsers, some of which can keep images in a catalog, some that merely go where you point 'em.

Feel free to amend this list.
 
So what is your definition of media asset management?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_asset_management, about three 'graphs down. Rather lame IMHO, since I've rarely seen it used, but I grant that "digital" asset management isn't so hot either since all the stuff stored on the computer is arguably digital.

In any case, searching on "DAM" gets one plenty of "MAM"s even if they don't label themselves as such.

TL;DR: no one in photography cares about what one calls them; ever since at least Krogh's book the common term for Aperture, etc is "DAM." (I like PIE too, but that gets us even more into the rough...).
 
You could add Fotostation. I used it a decade ago while working in a stock image company for a year. The DAM is good, maybe not for small production and i haven’t used it since as i didn’t find it suited for that.

Many of the apps listed, i wouldn’t call them DAM . Apple photos is total krapware and joke to put in the list.
 
I'm planning to switch to Iridient Developer as my main raw processor, after tearing myself away from Aperture (RIP, thanks Apple), so I'm going to need a new way to manage my image files.

Photos is the obvious choice, since its included with OS X, but I'm not taken with it so far. What are some alternative DAMs I should consider? Preferably that would be convenient to use with Iridient and Affinity.
This has been discussed here frequently; here for example:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3825910#forum-post-55658396

I wish we could make list with brief, non-opinionated descriptions, since this comes up often, and post it as a sticky, but this site doesn't do those AFAIK.

Here's just a start:
  1. Lightroom
  2. Adobe Bridge
  3. Capture One
  4. Mylio
  5. Apple Photos
  6. Aftershot Pro
  7. Photos Supreme
  8. Darktable
  9. FastRawViewer
  10. Emulsion
  11. XnviewMP
  12. Graphic Converter
  13. Lyn
  14. Photo Mechanic
  15. Rawtherapee
  16. Whatever came with your camera
I'm sure I've missed some. The list includes PIE-type DAMs like Lr or Photos, and those that are browsers, some of which can keep images in a catalog, some that merely go where you point 'em.

Feel free to amend this list.

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“Art is not what you see, but what you make others see.”
— Edgar Degas
That's a comprehensive list, thank you. Mylio, Photo Mechanic, Lyn, Fast Raw Viewer, and Emulsion sound closest to what I'm looking for. I wasn't aware that RawTherapee included file management, I might look into that.

CaptureOne would be my first choice if I was looking for an all-in-one solution for cataloguing and advanced raw processing, but since Aperture I'm wary of placing all my eggs in one basket.
 
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, but since Aperture I'm wary of placing all my eggs in one basket.
That is the crux of the issue

Broadly you have have

browsers - where you have to have some skill/experience in establishing, and effort in maintaining, a file structure along with discipline in maintaining that and establishing a practicable workflow - but upgrading/replacing/duplicating browsers is perfectly possible (they tend to have a limited learning curve too), or

DAM type catalogues/libraries which offer a host of additional tools to permit the structuring/restructuring/revisualisation of media/images along with cool principles such as non-destructive editing - in which case you're either committing images and effort to the collection and you're almost certainly committing time to learning and exploiting their management power. Either way, to get the benefits of a grown-up tool you need investment which will be discounted the moment the tool is depreciated

As a continuing Aperture user I'm still waiting for anything that touches the combined ease/power of Aperture as a management tool and one stop solution for my injest/organise and describe/revisualise/edit and sharing needs - the raw conversation is adequate for 99% of what I do and as an amateur I don't have to sweat the 1% inadequacy - and I hate hours editing images so its editing tools are sufficient

when I do eventually move it will hurt as I'll only move to something that closely replicates that power and ease of use. Once again my eggs will effectively be in one basket because of the effort of learning and establishing the catalogue/library. Simply using a browser is never going to emulate the potential of a proper library.

Its odd that in 2016 I'm being asked by Apple to adopt a fragmented user experience with more inconvenient workflows than they provided in 2005 - have they forgotten that the hardware and software are only there to facilitate the user, their goals and enhance the experience they have in achieving them? The intuitive and simple experience in achieving goals is what made the iPhone the success it was (along with some sexy looking tech).

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, but since Aperture I'm wary of placing all my eggs in one basket.
That is the crux of the issue

when I do eventually move it will hurt as I'll only move to something that closely replicates that power and ease of use. Once again my eggs will effectively be in one basket because of the effort of learning and establishing the catalogue/library. Simply using a browser is never going to emulate the potential of a proper library.

Its odd that in 2016 I'm being asked by Apple to adopt a fragmented user experience with more inconvenient workflows than they provided in 2005 - have they forgotten that the hardware and software are only there to facilitate the user, their goals and enhance the experience they have in achieving them? The intuitive and simple experience in achieving goals is what made the iPhone the success it was (along with some sexy looking tech).
The "eggs in one basket" is a problem created by one's choice of workflow, not the software itself.

All the organization info in Aperture can be written to files themselves, in a virtually universal format, that most image applications can use. Not only does this solve the "eggs" problem for metadata, some would argue it's more efficient. It might require something like using "1star" as a keyword for rating, or "Hawaii trip" as a keyword or location in lieu of a project name, but it organizes just as well...some would say better.

The actual image adjustments are more problematic; I think only Capture One can decipher some of Apple's edits. But even so, one can export TIFFs and storage is cheap, and if need be just reedit the RAW. Again, sometimes that's preferable because RAW processing has gotten better and the tools easier to use.

And there are people here who use browsers to great effect, especially if they prefer tools like Pixelmator or Affinity Pro or Photo Mechanic. I'm not so sure that parametric editors are that much more useful these days. Especially since so many shoot RAW, which means we've always got an original. After all, some of us have thousands of PDFs, Word docs, etc etc we use without resort to parametric editors.

So maybe the relearning is about changing the workflow more than changing the application. I hope that if I lost Lr tomorrow I could continue on without missing a beat. I like it, but one always needs a Plan B, even if just because I might change platforms. But Apple has made the greatest platform for photo editing IMHO (the retina Macs); that doesn't change just because they aren't the ones supplying all the software.
 
The "eggs in one basket" is a problem created by one's choice of workflow, not the software itself.
Agreed - my peeve is that I had a super smooth workflow - soon I will not - the choice had been taken and applied but is being removed
All the organization info in Aperture can be written to files themselves, in a virtually universal format, that most image applications can use. Not only does this solve the "eggs" problem for metadata, some would argue it's more efficient. It might require something like using "1star" as a keyword for rating, or "Hawaii trip" as a keyword or location in lieu of a project name, but it organizes just as well...some would say better.
Agreed - but once I've created a file structure I'm stuck with it - with enough keywords I can always search a one folder solution - I'm comfortable with that - if I have one image with one combination of keywords - same IPTC on almost identical filenames multiplied by multiple extensions - I'm going to get maintaining that so wrong.
The actual image adjustments are more problematic; I think only Capture One can decipher some of Apple's edits. But even so, one can export TIFFs and storage is cheap, and if need be just reedit the RAW. Again, sometimes that's preferable because RAW processing has gotten better and the tools easier to use.
Agreed - as a raw only shooter I would benefit from a more capable converter - but would now have to navigate browser and converter as a two step process - I've been used to a single stop - that's going backward. Storage is cheap but processing at home usually happens at the end of the day - I just don't need the hassle of a detailed naming conventions - multiple files with subtle number or letter version control - a database does that far better than I will late at night and it seems so 2001 to have so many different files of the same thing but with different (8.3) extensions
After all, some of us have thousands of PDFs, Word docs, etc etc we use without resort to parametric editors.
Trouble is I, like most, struggle with that faf at work where I suffer the consequences of not having a robust DAM based version control system for docs - Thought I'd beat that for the hobby at home
So maybe the relearning is about changing the workflow more than changing the application.
I'm the user and the customer - why should I have to learn a de-evolved, more convoluted and more risky management process. Still angry - sorry - I'm one of those who'd have just been happy with a guarantee that the existing tool (Aperture) would be supported for some time - didn't necessarily need it developing

James
 
I think a lot of participants in this forum share your grief for Aperture's demise. It seems that most have moved to other software (generally LR from what I see on this forum), despite the fact that Aperture really does still work. Migration is a personal decision.

My personal observation: when comparing Raw processing results between Aperture, LR, and Capture One, Aperture was at the bottom of the heap. Sorry, but once I tried the others, I was pretty surprised with the results. But none of the alternatives are nearly as good at management as Aperture.

Perhaps you should consider an approach that might be a little more complicated than a single-product one, but would give you the best of both worlds. We can hope that some day, one of the other Raw processors improves its DAM capabilities to the point that Aperture totally isn't missed.

First, this approach assumes that Aperture's import, metadata tagging, filing and IPTC embedding capabilities continue to work for a while. It also assumes that your particular camera is supported by Apple in such a way that Aperture can continue to read its files (I think this is a little less certain, as Apple can change their Raw engine at will, resulting in possible incompatibility with Aperture).

Also, realize that there are two schools of thought on embedding IPTC data into the Raw file: some [rightly] believe that writing to a Raw file violates the idea that Raw files are sacrosanct and not to be altered at all, while others (including me) believe it's OK and is a good way to insure that IPTC metadata becomes a permanent part of the file.

So: what if you continue using Aperture only to import, organize and tag your images in a referenced library (referenced is crucial) and use Capture One or LR for everything else? I use Capture One for this as it has very good file locating capabilities and I far prefer C1's UI and editing capabilities over LR. It's not hard to get used to filing in C1 or LR. In the case of C1, you could even continue using Aperture to file and then use C1's "Synchronize Folders" command to keep C1's library synchronized with Aperture's (I prefer this method, except that Aperture is miserably slow at rendering 5DSR files).

The workflow: I import and add metadata in Aperture and then switch to Capture One for everything else. The main reason I stopped filing in Aperture is that at least as of Yosemite, Apple's Raw conversion engine takes forever to render EOS 5DSR files, whereas C1 and LR are really fast.

Now in C1 (or LR), I can do do some seriously good processing and, since the IPTC was embedded by Aperture, your keywords, descriptions, etc., are durable across the editing products.

Alternative: If you decide on Capture One, have a look at apHUB, which lets you continue using Aperture as you do now (until Aperture finally breaks), and adds the ability to edit Raw files in C1. The product works well.

Frankly, it didn't take me long to not really miss Aperture. In fact, seeing what other Raw processors can do, I almost think Apple did me a favor. Now if only Capture One's DAM capabilities would improve a bit...
 
Agreed - but once I've created a file structure I'm stuck with it - with enough keywords I can always search a one folder solution - I'm comfortable with that - if I have one image with one combination of keywords - same IPTC on almost identical filenames multiplied by multiple extensions - I'm going to get maintaining that so wrong.
A file structure is a rather poor way to organize images. Inflexible, dependent on the filesystem, slow.

But you aren't stuck with it. I assume you occasionally move stuff around in the Finder, so why not images? Many of us move stuff on and off SSDs for speed purposes all the time. It's a two second drag and drop in Lr.

I find it hard to understand that last clause about keywords and filenames; sorry. Keeping keywords on images is so much easier than file and folders since one doesn't have to think about it much. Instead of deciding if an image belongs in a date folder, or birthday folder, or Mom folder, or portraits folder, you just add all those as keywords. Same info. Besides tons of data is already in there: date, time, maybe location, all the lens, camera and other exif info. And unlike folder info it stays there and doesn't change as soon as you move it to a new folder.
The actual image adjustments are more problematic; I think only Capture One can decipher some of Apple's edits. But even so, one can export TIFFs and storage is cheap, and if need be just reedit the RAW. Again, sometimes that's preferable because RAW processing has gotten better and the tools easier to use.
Agreed - as a raw only shooter I would benefit from a more capable converter - but would now have to navigate browser and converter as a two step process - I've been used to a single stop - that's going backward. Storage is cheap but processing at home usually happens at the end of the day - I just don't need the hassle of a detailed naming conventions - multiple files with subtle number or letter version control - a database does that far better than I will late at night and it seems so 2001 to have so many different files of the same thing but with different (8.3) extensions
It's always sort of two step. Even in Aperture; one had to choose different tools. Lr went modular to avoid the clutter of palettes, but it's like light table and sorting/culling vs printing, to use the darkroom metaphor.

And again, forget naming conventions. Too much thought. Whether you use a database or browser it's still better to use searching, sorting and filters, IPTC and other metadata. You seem to think that a browser can only use filenames, but even Spotlight can search and filter keywords, lens, and all sorts of other image metadata. And you can even save searches, the functional equivalent of smart albums. You could just use the filenames out of the camera.
I'm the user and the customer - why should I have to learn a de-evolved, more convoluted and more risky management process. Still angry - sorry - I'm one of those who'd have just been happy with a guarantee that the existing tool (Aperture) would be supported for some time - didn't necessarily need it developing
You have to relearn because you bought software that went kaput. Aperture really isn't much different than Lr or most other such applications, anymore than Word is that different than Pages or Nisus. Aperture was unusual in that it was frozen in time; most software evolved more in the meantime. But granted the changes would have been evolutionary. I changed because I wanted more than Aperture offered, but the point is to adapt to change. You'll probably have to again. But at least this time you'll be doing it with a more critical eye, so you're unlikely to have as much trouble when it happens again. Good luck!
 
I'm planning to switch to Iridient Developer as my main raw processor, after tearing myself away from Aperture (RIP, thanks Apple), so I'm going to need a new way to manage my image files.

Photos is the obvious choice, since its included with OS X, but I'm not taken with it so far. What are some alternative DAMs I should consider? Preferably that would be convenient to use with Iridient and Affinity.
I too left Aperture kicking and screaming but have now moved my entire workflow to Mylio and DXO Optics Prp 10. As a DAM tool Mylio is far ahead of anything I've ever used. It runs my nearly 1 million pictures catalog much fater than anything I've ever tried. Aperture did a reasonable job trying to find spicific photos but Mylio blows the doors off Aperture and as far as Lightroom, Lightroom isn't even on the same planet for speed with large catalogs. Not many people take Mylio seriously but it's for real.

Mylio has an Edit With option that I'm certain would work with other programs as well as it does with DXO. Any photos that need serious correction goes out to DXO then saved right back in to the original folder it came out of, which Mylio then sees and adds the tweaked tiff to the catalog.

Mylios major feature at this point is its ability to have your catalog on all and any dives. Including your desktop, tablets and phones. You may want to give them a look. I'm very impressed.
 
I'm planning to switch to Iridient Developer as my main raw processor, after tearing myself away from Aperture (RIP, thanks Apple), so I'm going to need a new way to manage my image files.

Photos is the obvious choice, since its included with OS X, but I'm not taken with it so far. What are some alternative DAMs I should consider? Preferably that would be convenient to use with Iridient and Affinity.
I too left Aperture kicking and screaming but have now moved my entire workflow to Mylio and DXO Optics Prp 10. As a DAM tool Mylio is far ahead of anything I've ever used. It runs my nearly 1 million pictures catalog much fater than anything I've ever tried. Aperture did a reasonable job trying to find spicific photos but Mylio blows the doors off Aperture and as far as Lightroom, Lightroom isn't even on the same planet for speed with large catalogs. Not many people take Mylio seriously but it's for real.

Mylio has an Edit With option that I'm certain would work with other programs as well as it does with DXO. Any photos that need serious correction goes out to DXO then saved right back in to the original folder it came out of, which Mylio then sees and adds the tweaked tiff to the catalog.

Mylios major feature at this point is its ability to have your catalog on all and any dives. Including your desktop, tablets and phones. You may want to give them a look. I'm very impressed.
 
I'm planning to switch to Iridient Developer as my main raw processor, after tearing myself away from Aperture (RIP, thanks Apple), so I'm going to need a new way to manage my image files.

Photos is the obvious choice, since its included with OS X, but I'm not taken with it so far. What are some alternative DAMs I should consider? Preferably that would be convenient to use with Iridient and Affinity.
I too left Aperture kicking and screaming but have now moved my entire workflow to Mylio and DXO Optics Prp 10. As a DAM tool Mylio is far ahead of anything I've ever used. It runs my nearly 1 million pictures catalog much fater than anything I've ever tried. Aperture did a reasonable job trying to find spicific photos but Mylio blows the doors off Aperture and as far as Lightroom, Lightroom isn't even on the same planet for speed with large catalogs. Not many people take Mylio seriously but it's for real.

Mylio has an Edit With option that I'm certain would work with other programs as well as it does with DXO. Any photos that need serious correction goes out to DXO then saved right back in to the original folder it came out of, which Mylio then sees and adds the tweaked tiff to the catalog.

Mylios major feature at this point is its ability to have your catalog on all and any dives. Including your desktop, tablets and phones. You may want to give them a look. I'm very impressed.
 
I'm planning to switch to Iridient Developer as my main raw processor, after tearing myself away from Aperture (RIP, thanks Apple), so I'm going to need a new way to manage my image files.

Photos is the obvious choice, since its included with OS X, but I'm not taken with it so far. What are some alternative DAMs I should consider? Preferably that would be convenient to use with Iridient and Affinity.
I too left Aperture kicking and screaming but have now moved my entire workflow to Mylio and DXO Optics Prp 10. As a DAM tool Mylio is far ahead of anything I've ever used. It runs my nearly 1 million pictures catalog much fater than anything I've ever tried. Aperture did a reasonable job trying to find spicific photos but Mylio blows the doors off Aperture and as far as Lightroom, Lightroom isn't even on the same planet for speed with large catalogs. Not many people take Mylio seriously but it's for real.

Mylio has an Edit With option that I'm certain would work with other programs as well as it does with DXO. Any photos that need serious correction goes out to DXO then saved right back in to the original folder it came out of, which Mylio then sees and adds the tweaked tiff to the catalog.

Mylios major feature at this point is its ability to have your catalog on all and any dives. Including your desktop, tablets and phones. You may want to give them a look. I'm very impressed.

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Mylio is great. I tried an early version and was astonished that it honored most of my Lightroom edits, and it was very fast and slick. And just the right balance between complicated and simple. I just couldn't get behind the subscription model. I don't have any devices that I need or want to sync to. I just want a good, fast DAM, decent raw editing, and DNG support (my cameras shoot DNG natively). I haven't looked at Mylio lately, but at the time it wasn't a good fit for me.
Mark, Mylio keeps making improvements but it's still a monthly fee. They've changed their entry fee from $4.95/month to FREE for their basic model. It only allows you to work with JPEGs but that's enough for many people. I'm not a big fan of subscription model software either but I've just not found anything that can run my monster catalog until Mylio. If I had to find a specific picture with either Aperture or Lightroom, it was a constant process of the glorious spinning Beach Ball. It would take hours and hours if I had a large submission request from a publisher. With Mylio I can find specific photos in literally 1-2 SECONDS! There is just nothing like it for speed.

I realize many photographers say they don't need their images on other devices but once you experience the fun of having your best pictures with you on a moments notice, you start to appreciate Myllio's power. My wife and I run a photo tour business and people we travel with often want to see photos from the places we travel. I create an album in Mylio with the best images of say Japan, Kenya, Croatia, Romania, Yellowstone or wherever and within minutes I have either my iPhone or iPad flipping through the "best of " examples.

Mylio's other powerful feature is its ability to back all my files up on an ongoing basis. I have a Mac Pro at the office I use as my base machine with a 40TB Drobo attached. At home I have a Mac Mini with an additional 40TB Drobo attached. When I make a change at the office, let's say a crop of an image, redo the white balance, caption, keyword or any other option, those changes are virtually instantly sent to my home Mac running Mylio. It's constantly seeing the other Mylio devices via wifi and internet connection then making changes accordingly. That's not to say it's using the cloud for storage. Actually it's just using the internet for a highway over to my home, office or other devices. I don't keep any of my images on the cloud. With Mylio you can have them all local.

Mylio is an impressive program that uses technology nobody else is using at this point. It's a must have for my business.

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Help me better understand this travel photo scenario you mention. What is Mylio doing (and for how much in your case) that's not already being done by a million people for free using Flickr? Thanks.
 
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I think that a lot depends upon your preferences. I came to really appreciate Aperture's abilities to make my life easier. (Managed). Aperture still performs this function and still has an excellent RAW processor...(if it seems to lag other's, investigate the RAW Fine Tuning option.)

I had started to move my images to LR, and also to C1 but I seriously miss Aperture's Managed files capabilities and so changed my mind. Perhaps I'm just lazy but these types of asset managers seem to require an entirely new and different discipline from photography. I have to be some sort of data base manager to effectively use them and my skills here are weak to non existent.

As your intention is to use Iridient then it seems that you're not looking for RAW processing magic in your assets manager. Perhaps you might consider continuing with Aperture. The management capabilities are there, Iridient provides the magic.

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On1 recently announced they will offer RAW editing in their new suite release this fall. Already use their software for effects, and resizing and also like their speedy browser. It appears they will be using a managed system since they say there is no importing or cataloging required. The upside is at least for now they aren't renting software.
 

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