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My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
 
Do you know what a meter is (do not google it)? But you are using it every day, since you in Canada.
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
There are 35 mm digital cameras too. I have one.

So what would you suggest as an alternative?
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
There are 35 mm digital cameras too. I have one.

So what would you suggest as an alternative?

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Ill take a wild guess, m43 standard...
 
Actually IMHO the best change would be to say that the lens has a xx degree field of view on <sensor size>. This would eliminate a lot of the crop factor confusion.

But I don't see it changing, so you might as well get used to it.
 
I swear I did not google this but if memory serves a meter is one millionth of the distance between the north pole and the equator
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
Do they really need to measure exposure in stops? I mean, what is one stop on it's own anyway? It doesn't mean anything unless you compare it with some other unit of measurement, and even then hardly any photographers get it cause most cameras these days (smartphones) only have an auto mode??!!


Do they really need to measure speed in miles or kilometers per hour? I mean, why not just give me a direction + velocity, and let me figure out the mass based on the gravitational force of the planet I happen to be to be on, so I can calculate my own momentum, trajectory and resistance?
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
You are the first to ask that question this week.

It has to do with the fact that the 35mm film was the commonest format used for decades that was sold with lenses from fish eye to extra long telephotos.

Eventually most ,somewhat keen photographers ,were able to visualise the angle of view of say a 200mm lens without looking it up on Google.

Given the many formats around now we could be using the angle of view as a measurement but we just still carry on with what we know. The new ones just need to learn.

BTW, this is not the only, at least perceived , anachronistic measurement used.

Nobody knows why a 10 shoe size is called that (actually I did some time ago but forgot...) nor anyone dials a phone number, yet both those sort of terms/measurements are generally understood.

Here is a copy and paste about the mile :

The basic concept of the mile originated in Roman times. The Romans used a unit of distance called the mille passum, which literally translated into "a thousand paces." Since each pace was considered to be five Roman feet—which were a bit shorter than our modern feet—the mile ended up being 5,000 Roman feet, or roughly 4,850 of our modern feet.

From that one would have to ask : why do we still use it, given that even the modern Romans don't walk a mile like they used to ?

Anyway, what do you suggest should be used ?
 
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All right, this time I try to respond to the correct message.
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
Do they really need to measure exposure in stops? I mean, what is one stop on it's own anyway? It doesn't mean anything unless you compare it with some other unit of measurement, and even then hardly any photographers get it cause most cameras these days (smartphones) only have an auto mode??!!
F-number could be expressed as light falloff coefficient, either by using F-number or T-number, depending on the application. But hey, that's what it actually is, right? At T=1, there is no falloff, right? Doubling or halving the light intensity at sensor (Light'=Light*2 or Light'=Light/2) is just expressed in square root of 2, not 2 [with F-number it is Light'=Light^(1/2) or Light'=Light^(-1/2)].

Or am I lost?
 
1) It's handy to be able to compare lens field of views across sensor sizes, and that requires the use of some common unit of measurement.

2) Units of measurement by their very nature are somewhat arbitrary.

3) Those who practice highly technical pursuits often use jargon in both language and practice, and one of the most interesting things about jargon is that it retains otherwise obsolete ideas long after they leave the common culture, because they remain useful in this small area. Other examples include the use of obscure measurements in pharmacy, and the retention of ancient words in the dog fancy and in cooking terminology.
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
There are 35 mm digital cameras too. I have one.

So what would you suggest as an alternative?
The diagonal angle of view in degrees, on the camera in question.
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
There are 35 mm digital cameras too. I have one.

So what would you suggest as an alternative?
The diagonal angle of view in degrees, on the camera in question.
But then you could be describing the same lens as two different things when used on 2 different sized sensors, when actually, it's the same lens and it's just the sensor that is different...
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
There are 35 mm digital cameras too. I have one.

So what would you suggest as an alternative?
The diagonal angle of view in degrees, on the camera in question.
But then you could be describing the same lens as two different things when used on 2 different sized sensors, when actually, it's the same lens and it's just the sensor that is different...
This is the kind of situation when a crop factor should be used. So if the lens is designed for 35mm sensor, then the FOV should be determined based on that.

It does not come much simpler.
 
I swear I did not google this but if memory serves a meter is one millionth of the distance between the north pole and the equator
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
Why are horses still measured in hands?
 
Another excellent example of my point above. Obsolete or obscure terms surviving in jargon for the win. I'm going to collect these--maybe I can get an essay out of them.
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die?
1. They still make digital cameras with a 35mm sized sensor.
To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
2. It's better than having no reference at all! What's the "normal" focal length for a 1" sensor? How about for a medium format sensor? What if you had one reference that you can calculate against?

For instance for FourThirds I know it has a 2x multiplication factor (what people WRONGLY call a crop factor)...therefore I can calculate that a 4/3 25mm lens is equivalent to a "normal" lens, and anything less is wide angle, and anything more is telephoto.

HOWEVER, when I'm using the 4/3 camera I don't bother figuring out what an equivalent lens focal length is...I just think in terms of 4/3 lenses.

Since someone brought up metric, it's like travelling to a different country that has different speed units and rents a car. If the sign says 100km/h and you're only familiar with miles per hour, you're not going to calculate each and every time you see a speed limit sign how fast it is in MPH...you are going to push the gas pedal down until the speedometer says 100km/h (assuming you can go that fast with traffic conditions). Although maybe the first time you may want to know how fast that is just for reference, and you figure out that at 62mph it's faster than you are allowed to travel in your own country, but not by much.
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.
There are thousands, (at least), of books that were written before digital photography was invented. The majority of what they say is true regardless of the size of film (or sensor) used.

During the heyday of film the vast majority of cameras were 35mm so it was convenient to use that as a benchmark. Although the majority of cameras were 35mm there were still lots of other sizes used (mainly larger): the users of those cameras could follow the general advice but needed to make allowance for the size of their frame.

Today there are probably millions of websites with the same or similar information. There are still plenty of cameras of 35mm size or larger.
There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die?
The first reason is that all those books and websites would need to be destroyed and new ones issued. And I do mean destroyed: if they are retained there would be two standards in operation - the 35mm standard and whatever you replace it with - so you would increase the confusion.
To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
But new photographers have no knowledge of anything photographic, so that means you have no standard of comparison. Or do you have a suggestion as to what new standard could be used simply and unambiguously?
 
My question would be ,why in the world do they still compare digital lenses to 35mm eqiv.There are so many people now with cameras and most never used a film camera ,so why not let it die? To compare a unit of measure with another that most have no knowledge of seems a bit silly.
35mm film is the same size as the sensor in today's FF DSLR, so it's still a useful standard.
 

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