Price issue? The a6300 is cheaper, more powerful with much better build quality than my previous nex-7.
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the a6300 price issue
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Wait till Christmas and perhaps save $100 or more, but I don't think it will go down below the $800 mark this year (U.S. prices). And it is NOT just a minor update of the A6000. I thought so too until I started using it. The A6300 is a great camera. It feels better and it performs well enough that it could very well be my birding body. I still have to learn how to use it well, but at its current price point, it is well priced. Again, this is for my use and for my preferences. Other people's needs and wants are different, of course.
You can, of course, buy an open box camera at Best Buy (which is what I did). They sell it for $860 body only (open box, when in stock). The person who returned the camera took twenty-seven pictures with the camera, so it was essentially new. I don't know if all open box cameras are that unused, but I am more than happy with the price I paid. And the performance I am getting.
I have to add that for me, the A6300 just feels right. I loved the NEX7, and while I wish the A6300 had tri navi, the A6300 is that special tool that makes you want to use all the time.
You can, of course, buy an open box camera at Best Buy (which is what I did). They sell it for $860 body only (open box, when in stock). The person who returned the camera took twenty-seven pictures with the camera, so it was essentially new. I don't know if all open box cameras are that unused, but I am more than happy with the price I paid. And the performance I am getting.
I have to add that for me, the A6300 just feels right. I loved the NEX7, and while I wish the A6300 had tri navi, the A6300 is that special tool that makes you want to use all the time.
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ttan98
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By all reports the a6300 is a crop a7rii
What's that worth to you? Depends on the user.
I took a nex6 and a6000 to Arizona and had equal number of keepers with each. Sometimes differences are masked by 'easy to shoot'situations.
What's that worth to you? Depends on the user.
I took a nex6 and a6000 to Arizona and had equal number of keepers with each. Sometimes differences are masked by 'easy to shoot'situations.
AlphaPhotography
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This may be naive but I do not anticipate my income stopping or needing to stop working. I work with a man who just turned 92, works when he wants (7 days a week on his case) making over 6 figures, and is very happy with what he does. He is attempting to set me up for the same success. He's a health freak much like myself, exercises every day, has beaten two types of cancer, and I expect him to live to over 100. I hope to follow a similar path. I do not plan on taking on major expenses like a large house and our family has never had to hire a contractor or mechanic for any work because we do everything ourselves (mostly thanks to my father's knowledge that he is trying to pass on to me). This prediction may be overly optimistic but I'm the type of person who lives for the moment while my friends, colleagues, and family members seem to suffer from stress every day by overworking themselves.
I do appreciate the advice and receive it often. I will certainly start saving something soon, but I'm very happy with the way my life is going right now. New A6300 comes in today and I'm hoping to take a trip out of the state this weekend to test it out
I do appreciate the advice and receive it often. I will certainly start saving something soon, but I'm very happy with the way my life is going right now. New A6300 comes in today and I'm hoping to take a trip out of the state this weekend to test it out
PVCdroid
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AlphaPhotography
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The A6000 has severely skewed people's perception (including my own) of pricing because it is far to cheap for what it offers compared to competitors IMO.
BlueBomberTurbo
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I'm guessing you haven't seen the A6300's 4K outside of YouTube...
i tend to feel the 6300 is over priced compared to the a6000.. It seems to have alot of great options and the potential to really work adapted glass but..
1) Too close in price to the A7ii.
2) Sony has left the APSC lens options to die on the vine. There is still no good walk around zoom. The 18-105g and 16-70 are both average at best.
3) There is no COMPRESSED but lossless raw file. Uncompressed is silly. Lossy raw is silly. There is something in between.
4) audio in jack.. about freaking time. How can i monitor the audio? oooh why would you want to do that?
5) video: on paper sounds great in practice alot of issues. The rolling shutter is just odd and the down sampling is screwy.
6) Bit depth is the same as the a6000
7) ISO is not really better than the A6000. Why oh why did they not go BSI? Sony was afraid this camera would eat into the A7ii market.
8) trinav.. okay so this camera is alot like the nex6 with a new sensor. This is a good thing but for 1k i want controls like the A7ii or the nex7. For 500$ like the A6000, I do not expect a camera MEANT to be shot in full manual. For 1k, I expect the body have the physical inputs to shoot in M efficiently. Olympus and fuji both seem to understand this point.
9) Same old lenses...
I like my A6000. For a while, the body was running 348$ new. So for 3x the price, you find many improvements but no actual IQ boost.
1) Too close in price to the A7ii.
2) Sony has left the APSC lens options to die on the vine. There is still no good walk around zoom. The 18-105g and 16-70 are both average at best.
3) There is no COMPRESSED but lossless raw file. Uncompressed is silly. Lossy raw is silly. There is something in between.
4) audio in jack.. about freaking time. How can i monitor the audio? oooh why would you want to do that?
5) video: on paper sounds great in practice alot of issues. The rolling shutter is just odd and the down sampling is screwy.
6) Bit depth is the same as the a6000
7) ISO is not really better than the A6000. Why oh why did they not go BSI? Sony was afraid this camera would eat into the A7ii market.
8) trinav.. okay so this camera is alot like the nex6 with a new sensor. This is a good thing but for 1k i want controls like the A7ii or the nex7. For 500$ like the A6000, I do not expect a camera MEANT to be shot in full manual. For 1k, I expect the body have the physical inputs to shoot in M efficiently. Olympus and fuji both seem to understand this point.
9) Same old lenses...
I like my A6000. For a while, the body was running 348$ new. So for 3x the price, you find many improvements but no actual IQ boost.
Actually, there is a slight IQ boost. I like the A6000. I like the A6300 more. Both are great cameras. There really are improvements on the A6300. Some people will think it is worth it (I am in this camp, but I bought an open box unit). Cameras are most expensive at introduction. By Christmas, the A6300 will probably be cheaper. That is 8 months of use though. And the A6300 is just fun to use.
BlueBomberTurbo
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A6300 RAWs start off at 14-bit. That may be reduced depending on what drive/shutter/NR mode you're in. Easy to check when lifting shadows. No more green noise in 14-bit mode.
Low ISO is generally the same as the A6000. An observation people made when the A6000 was released in reference to the A7. Low ISO is already excellent on most cameras at this point, so you can't expect much of a difference there.
Going to high ISO, you'll get nearly a full stop of improvement by the time you reach the top. Tied with the A7 II at high ISO, so no, Sony's not afraid of anything. Barely any purple noise and nicely reduced chroma noise allow higher ISOs to be used with minimal NR smearing the image.
I had Panasonic FZ1000 4k but sold since the 4k video in pany compare to A6000 XAVC S video is not quite different. Also 4k file is quite large so it is very difficult to make edition.
+1. I would rather pick up a used RX1 around $900 to pair with A6000.
BlueBomberTurbo
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Well yeah, the IQ of a small sensor point and shoot will be different from a large sensor ILC. Sharper image, more dynamic range, better color, cleaner high ISO (especially in 4K Super 35), more customization, etc. You can also drop the bitrate if you don't want huge files, but the point of high bitrates is to improve IQ (like in the A6000's XAVC S update).
Almost all commercial camcorder's sensor size is less than 1'. Video is different from still: you need larger sensor but not for video.
AlphaPhotography
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Incorrect. I'm at work so I can't elaborate until later but there are certainly advantages of larger sensors in video as well. As a crude example, compare the 4k output of a smartphone sensor to the RX100IV or the A7SII (There are obviously other factors including lenses and processing power) but sensor size plays a role
I was amused to see the early A6300 adopters in this thread justifying their expenditure and responding like a cheer-leading squad, when the OP is obviously concerned with Sony marketing practices and when he can save a few bucks on this new camera. No doubt, the A6300 is a better camera than the A6000 in a number of respects. However, for most photographic purposes the A6000 is more than adequate. It is a very good little camera and does what most photographers need from this style of camera. Needed more for this market than an improved camera body is a stable of improved APSC lenses with OSS. Full-frame lenses do not generally perform as well on the smaller APSC sensors with higher pixel density. I expect that Sony will sooner or later get back to the APSC lens market, which, after all, was the Sony pioneering effort in mirrorless.
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What reports?
The two sensors have different pixel pitch and visibly different noise at 100%.
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