DiMAGE A1 (the D7 replacement)

about image stabilising only being able to work for video

because both canon and nikon have lenses that have the stabilising

functoins in the lens also its been proven in cameras earlier like the oly 2100z and the canon pro 90 is and sony mvc cd1000 all had image stabilisrz and 10x zoom
Please donot hold me to this but I talked to a guy from the local
camera shop who had also been at the show so we ended up talking
about the A1, he told me that the IS is done by using the CCD's not
the lens ?? but could not explain any more. So if you can work out
how, then it will be intresting to hear. Just remember this is only
hearsay and I cannot vouch for the accuracy of his statement ..
I'm betting that it will have body I.S., and if so, this will be an
incredible acheivement, and perhaps give Minolta a durable
competitive advantage. Body I.S. requires a processor that has a
pattern recognition algorithm and is then able to reposition the
image as it moves around on the chip. The chip must therefore be
consiiderably larger than it's stated effective resolution--an 8MP
could easily be required to yield an effective 5MP image if I.S. is
enabled. If I.S. is not enabled, then the full chip could be used
to produce the stored image. Body I.S. is as significant as A.F.
was!
dynacam
(Graeme Knox)
http://www.k-island.com
--
beam me up scotty

im giving it all shes got captain
 
Ok, now we are on common ground, I agree the A1 and S7000 are the two hot items right now and I can't wait for a preview. On the cost front, latest rumour pitches the A1 around $1100 US which given the IS is a reasonable start price - only about $200 more than the 7hi RRP, so probably cheaper in the stores.

I'm personally inclined to think that the A1 can get a fair amount more from a 5MP 2/3 sensor than before. Firstly, its been out for a while now, has probably gone through a few iterations and may even be a new gen 2/3 array, in which case hardware s/n ratio is probably better. Secondly Minolta have had 24 months to work on optimising the firmware and as we all know, the same chip can get very different results depending on the implementation. There is probably a lot of room for refinement.

At its best, this chip can resolve close enough to 10D levels to be good enough for me. If it can reduce ISO noise over the current cam without agressive or obstrusive NR, and perhaps include ISO50, then along with the IS this could well be a nice cam. DR may always be an issue on small cams though!

The big question is what can the 6MP array in the S7000 achieve? I am almost certain it will have more potential resolution but will there be a cost associated with that that will negate some of the benefits? I simply dont know. S5000 so far seems unpromising and the receptor size in the 7000 will be even smaller.
Considering Canon has just announced the G/5 and Nikon their new
entry (both uninspiring to me) I'm looking to either Minolta or
Fuji and possibly even Sony to come up with something really good
this time around, something closer to a dslr.
Agreed, underwhelming set of cameras - no real advance on the existing generation IMHO, and in some cases distinctly regressive. However I would not be surprised to see a Sony 818 with the new 8MP array at some point, and maybe a Minolta A2.
There's no question that dslr's do just about everything best but
it's a heck of a sacrifice with regards to the weight/size and
money you need to spend. We definitely could use a one lens camera
that can do most everything right without the need to switch to a
dslr. Whoever does it first will have me thinking to sell my 10D and
everything else with it.
Yep - how much weight, cost and inconvenience is worth clean ISO 400+ and a stop more DR? To some people a lot, to me not so much, and the fast lens and IS are worth at least one to two ISO increments. I never print larger than A3 and take landscapes and portraits, mostly in good light. The A1 would probably cope fine and would go everywhere with me like the D7i.

Just wish there was a midway point - like a cut price Oly E1 with fixed lens and 4/3 sensor.

Steve
 
I suspect you all may yet be somewhat dissapointed.

To acheive IS with a stills camera you would need to have an active
optical element - not to mention extremely fast and accurate too.
Also, the feedback signal would have to come from a sensor seperate
from the main CCD which of course is tied up during the exposure
period. All this seems pretty unlikely given the extremely tight
space constraints in the optical path, not to mention the cost.

I suspect you may find that IS is ONLY a feature of the camera's
Video Mode (and not 'stills') - this can be acheived purely by
using digital image processing algorithms and sacrificing a border
area of the CCD around the Video frame. Since the camera CCD has
2560x1920 pixels and the video output probably no more than
640x480, and given the camera's wide angle 28mm equiv' lens, there
is plenty of scope for sacrificing a border area of the CCD to
acheive digital IS in video mode.

Mark H.
-- I have an Olympus 2100UZ which has IS and it works very well on stills. I don't know how they do it but I don't see why it would be a paroblem for Minolta.
jeff
 
about image stabilising only being able to work for video

because both canon and nikon have lenses that have the stabilising
functoins in the lens also its been proven in cameras earlier like
the oly 2100z and the canon pro 90 is and sony mvc cd1000 all had
image stabilisrz and 10x zoom
We obviously knew about the 2100, jk. The debate was about whether Minolta have managed to do something in the body instead of in the lens, as from the preview pics it doesn't look as though the lens has been altered.
--
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
 
You can well do image stabilisation with still cams, like eg Nikon and Canon do it, but you cannot use the fully electronic method that most video cams use. Electronic video cam stabilizers do not kill any blur, but "only" bring consecutive (movie) pictures in line.

(An idea of a fully electronic still cam IS with no mechanically moving elements would be the following: Instead of one blurred "long" exposure (eg 1/10 sec) the cam could quickly do several consecutive underexposed fast shots (eg. 10 * 1/100 sec exposures). Then you could bring these electronically in line and combine then. But this method would require very low CCD noise and has other disadvantages, thus I doubt that Minolta does it this way.)

The current still cam IS systems (and very few high price video cam systems, eg Canons earlier "optical image stabilizer") use a moving lens element that corrects the shake in real time. To introduce such would require a major redesign of the Minolta lens. Rumours are that Minolta uses a stabilisation technology that is not implemented in the lens, but somewhere else in the body.

Moving the CCD istead of a lens element could do that.

Regarding another post: It is well possible to control such a system in real time, as the optical moving lens image stabilers of eg. Canon and Nikon show.
because both canon and nikon have lenses that have the stabilising
functoins in the lens also its been proven in cameras earlier like
the oly 2100z and the canon pro 90 is and sony mvc cd1000 all had
image stabilisrz and 10x zoom
Please donot hold me to this but I talked to a guy from the local
camera shop who had also been at the show so we ended up talking
about the A1, he told me that the IS is done by using the CCD's not
the lens ?? but could not explain any more. So if you can work out
how, then it will be intresting to hear. Just remember this is only
hearsay and I cannot vouch for the accuracy of his statement ..
I'm betting that it will have body I.S., and if so, this will be an
incredible acheivement, and perhaps give Minolta a durable
competitive advantage. Body I.S. requires a processor that has a
pattern recognition algorithm and is then able to reposition the
image as it moves around on the chip. The chip must therefore be
consiiderably larger than it's stated effective resolution--an 8MP
could easily be required to yield an effective 5MP image if I.S. is
enabled. If I.S. is not enabled, then the full chip could be used
to produce the stored image. Body I.S. is as significant as A.F.
was!
dynacam
(Graeme Knox)
http://www.k-island.com
--
beam me up scotty

im giving it all shes got captain
 
Ok, now we are on common ground, I agree the A1 and S7000 are the
two hot items right now and I can't wait for a preview. On the cost
front, latest rumour pitches the A1 around $1100 US which given the
IS is a reasonable start price - only about $200 more than the 7hi
RRP, so probably cheaper in the stores.
Thats true, when you stop and think about it. When I think abut the 10D cost with 4 lenses , and another grand in accessories $1,100.00 would really sound like an amazing bargain.
I'm personally inclined to think that the A1 can get a fair amount
more from a 5MP 2/3 sensor than before. Firstly, its been out for a
while now, has probably gone through a few iterations and may even
be a new gen 2/3 array, in which case hardware s/n ratio is
probably better. Secondly Minolta have had 24 months to work on
optimising the firmware and as we all know, the same chip can get
very different results depending on the implementation. There is
probably a lot of room for refinement.
Maybe so but wouldn't you think Sony would have reworked that 5 MP sensor already if it was possible? It seems they want to draw attention to their new 8MP sensor and my guess is that they will use the new 8MP and continue the MP race as thats what most uninformed consumers judge a good digicam by anyway. Sony will undoubtedly pull some kind of a blockbuster (watch for something on about Aug 15/16th ) and it looks possible that 8 Mp sensor might appear.
At its best, this chip can resolve close enough to 10D levels to be
good enough for me. If it can reduce ISO noise over the current
cam without agressive or obstrusive NR, and perhaps include ISO50,
then along with the IS this could well be a nice cam. DR may always
be an issue on small cams though!
Thats asking a lot . I'd rather it be sports capable. I could deal with some noise and existing DR but AF and 0 shutter lag is a must for field sports. But in reality that too is asking for too much because you also need good 800 and 1600 ISO's for fast shutter speeds not to mention focus tracking. I feel forced into the 10D dslr simply for it's sports capabilities.

I guess at this point in time it's simply too much to ask for a sports capable prosumer one lens psuedo dslr camera regardless of brand .

However as I said earlier f Minolta, Sony, or Fuji ever pulled it off they would garner a huge chunk of dslr sales from the Canon and Nikon.
The big question is what can the 6MP array in the S7000 achieve? I
am almost certain it will have more potential resolution but will
there be a cost associated with that that will negate some of the
benefits? I simply dont know. S5000 so far seems unpromising and
the receptor size in the 7000 will be even smaller.
And waiting to find out is all part of the excitement.Even though I have a 10d and like it immensely , I still get interested/excited in these high end one lens digicams. For a fraction of what a dslr costs (with related glass) these hiugh end digicams do deliver a big bang for the buck.
Considering Canon has just announced the G/5 and Nikon their new
entry (both uninspiring to me) I'm looking to either Minolta or
Fuji and possibly even Sony to come up with something really good
this time around, something closer to a dslr.
Agreed, underwhelming set of cameras - no real advance on the
existing generation IMHO, and in some cases distinctly regressive.
However I would not be surprised to see a Sony 818 with the new 8MP
array at some point, and maybe a Minolta A2.
There's no question that dslr's do just about everything best but
it's a heck of a sacrifice with regards to the weight/size and
money you need to spend. We definitely could use a one lens camera
that can do most everything right without the need to switch to a
dslr. Whoever does it first will have me thinking to sell my 10D and
everything else with it.
Yep - how much weight, cost and inconvenience is worth clean ISO
400+ and a stop more DR? To some people a lot, to me not so much,
and the fast lens and IS are worth at least one to two ISO
increments. I never print larger than A3 and take landscapes and
portraits, mostly in good light. The A1 would probably cope fine
and would go everywhere with me like the D7i.
Thats my style also with the exception to baseball. I shoot ball all sumer long and it seems like i'm stuck with the dslr for that aspect of it.
Just wish there was a midway point - like a cut price Oly E1 with
fixed lens and 4/3 sensor.
The costs of lenses and bulk will be closer to a full sized dslr from what I see.
But we can keep hoping can't we?
John
 
-- I have an Olympus 2100UZ which has IS and it works very well on
stills. I don't know how they do it but I don't see why it would
be a paroblem for Minolta.
The claim was that this new cam appears to have (roughly) the same lense as the 7 series, so it is unlikely it has lense-based IS. Therefore it MIGHT carry body-based IS.

Then again, as the cam has no interchangeble lense system, a lense based IS might be implemented somewehere between old lens & new body. Seems unlikely though.
 
However they accomplish it, I can't believe it would be in video-only mode. If they're going to add IS at all, it will be in still mode. In video mode, all it amounts to is a cruel tease and something else to anger Minolta fans eager for the real thing.

I wonder if this in-camera IS is a precursor to in-camera IS on an interchangeable lens Minolta digital, which would then come onto the market at the same time as Minolta's new 35mm SSM lenses, which, curiously, lack IS.

fsw
...and then again, I may well be entirely wrong - now I'm begining
to think I may be.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=5750875

Mark H.
 
However Minolta have implemented it I would be surprised if the sensor itself was moveable - sensors have to be rigidly mounted and carefully aligned for the focus to work, and the AF uses selected pixels. Plus there are the myriad connectors and the heatsink to consider.

I would be equally surprised if they use a "floating" image map on a fixed sensor too. This works fine on movies where one image is aligned with the previous one but there is nothong to align to in this case without losing image data off the edges.

However there is no particular reason why an optical stabiliser can't be mounted in the body itself, provided it is a non-focusing element. This would effectively control the direction of light coming off the rear lens element without any convergence, and would therefore work whatever lens you attached to the body. Hell, that would be neat, but in a reflex design where the hell would you put it. No problem in a ZLR tho..no mirror.

An interchangeable lens ZLR? That would be cool if the EVF was up to it.

Steve
I wonder if this in-camera IS is a precursor to in-camera IS on an
interchangeable lens Minolta digital, which would then come onto
the market at the same time as Minolta's new 35mm SSM lenses,
which, curiously, lack IS.

fsw
...and then again, I may well be entirely wrong - now I'm begining
to think I may be.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=5750875

Mark H.
--
 
I would be equally surprised if they use a "floating" image map on
a fixed sensor too. This works fine on movies where one image is
aligned with the previous one but there is nothong to align to in
this case without losing image data off the edges.

However there is no particular reason why an optical stabiliser
can't be mounted in the body itself, provided it is a non-focusing
element. This would effectively control the direction of light
coming off the rear lens element without any convergence, and would
therefore work whatever lens you attached to the body. Hell, that
would be neat, but in a reflex design where the hell would you put
it. No problem in a ZLR tho..no mirror.

An interchangeable lens ZLR? That would be cool if the EVF was up
to it.

Steve
I wonder if this in-camera IS is a precursor to in-camera IS on an
interchangeable lens Minolta digital, which would then come onto
the market at the same time as Minolta's new 35mm SSM lenses,
which, curiously, lack IS.

fsw
...and then again, I may well be entirely wrong - now I'm begining
to think I may be.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=5750875

Mark H.
--
Sounds neat,Steve.
Any speculation on how they may have gone about improving the AF?
Not an easy task without using the traditional SLR systems!
Now SLR class AF really WOULD be something!

I really don't hold out much hope for greatly improved high ISO ability off of these very small sensors, and going from 5MP is just going from itsy-witsy to eeny-weeny,to use the technical terms.
Even one extra stop would help loads though.

I find myself shooting lots of the time with a 2.8 lens at 1600, which isn't much worse than ISO 400 on the D7.

At some stage, getting relatively noise-free data from a particular area of silicon has to reach a limit, and I suspect that we are not far from those limits now.
--
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
 
mmmmm not quite right. Smaller countries have independent distributors rather than subsidiaries. Subs can do business at cost or less for reasons of marketshare, funded by the factory etc. Disti's can't. Also, you are comparing RRP against the cheapest internet price......have a look at some sites from small countires and you may see prices 30% less than retail. "Apples to apples"
Also note that Australia and New Zealand 'suffer' from inflated
prices on many things, particularly cameras. There is little
competition between importers and dealers to drive the prices down,
so they 'pad' them up. Most of New Zealand's dealers seem to import
though the the Australian agents...
Spot on there. Best price I can find for a Dynax(Maxxum)9 in Oz is
around AUS$4000 which is about twice the price B&H is asking in the
States.
 
I'm personally inclined to think that the A1 can get a fair amount
more from a 5MP 2/3 sensor than before. Firstly, its been out for a
while now, has probably gone through a few iterations and may even
be a new gen 2/3 array, in which case hardware s/n ratio is
probably better. Secondly Minolta have had 24 months to work on
optimising the firmware and as we all know, the same chip can get
very different results depending on the implementation. There is
probably a lot of room for refinement.
Maybe so but wouldn't you think Sony would have reworked that 5 MP
sensor already if it was possible? It seems they want to draw
attention to their new 8MP sensor and my guess is that they will
use the new 8MP and continue the MP race as thats what most
uninformed consumers judge a good digicam by anyway. Sony will
undoubtedly pull some kind of a blockbuster (watch for something on
about Aug 15/16th ) and it looks possible that 8 Mp sensor might
appear.
I have given up second guessing the Japanese technology market. If you remember the D7 was the first cam to come out using the 5MP 2/3 sensor at the time. I was expecting the A1 to be the first 8MP! Its just possible they had a look and decided not. Perhaps the lens is not capable of the additional resolution without major reengineering? Perhaps there are other issues? Perhaps the much prophecied speed of the A1 was not possible with the 8MP, or perhaps they just got better results from the 5MP. Who knows.

Its entirely possible that Sony collaborated with Minolta on a special version. After all, they have little to lose - chips are much cheaper to produce once the initial tooling is paid for - its all pure profit. Tighter control over manufacturing quality and some tweaks to the design could easily improve things by a significant % without major retooling costs.

If Sony do ship an 818, then along with the S7000 it may make people question the wisdom of the 5MP A1, but the pictures will say it all I guess. They must have their reasons.

Steve
At its best, this chip can resolve close enough to 10D levels to be
good enough for me. If it can reduce ISO noise over the current
cam without agressive or obstrusive NR, and perhaps include ISO50,
then along with the IS this could well be a nice cam. DR may always
be an issue on small cams though!
Thats asking a lot . I'd rather it be sports capable. I could deal
with some noise and existing DR but AF and 0 shutter lag is a must
for field sports. But in reality that too is asking for too much
because you also need good 800 and 1600 ISO's for fast shutter
speeds not to mention focus tracking. I feel forced into the 10D
dslr simply for it's sports capabilities.
I guess at this point in time it's simply too much to ask for a
sports capable prosumer one lens psuedo dslr camera regardless of
brand .
However as I said earlier f Minolta, Sony, or Fuji ever pulled it
off they would garner a huge chunk of dslr sales from the Canon and
Nikon.
The big question is what can the 6MP array in the S7000 achieve? I
am almost certain it will have more potential resolution but will
there be a cost associated with that that will negate some of the
benefits? I simply dont know. S5000 so far seems unpromising and
the receptor size in the 7000 will be even smaller.
And waiting to find out is all part of the excitement.Even though I
have a 10d and like it immensely , I still get interested/excited
in these high end one lens digicams. For a fraction of what a dslr
costs (with related glass) these hiugh end digicams do deliver a
big bang for the buck.
Considering Canon has just announced the G/5 and Nikon their new
entry (both uninspiring to me) I'm looking to either Minolta or
Fuji and possibly even Sony to come up with something really good
this time around, something closer to a dslr.
Agreed, underwhelming set of cameras - no real advance on the
existing generation IMHO, and in some cases distinctly regressive.
However I would not be surprised to see a Sony 818 with the new 8MP
array at some point, and maybe a Minolta A2.
There's no question that dslr's do just about everything best but
it's a heck of a sacrifice with regards to the weight/size and
money you need to spend. We definitely could use a one lens camera
that can do most everything right without the need to switch to a
dslr. Whoever does it first will have me thinking to sell my 10D and
everything else with it.
Yep - how much weight, cost and inconvenience is worth clean ISO
400+ and a stop more DR? To some people a lot, to me not so much,
and the fast lens and IS are worth at least one to two ISO
increments. I never print larger than A3 and take landscapes and
portraits, mostly in good light. The A1 would probably cope fine
and would go everywhere with me like the D7i.
Thats my style also with the exception to baseball. I shoot ball
all sumer long and it seems like i'm stuck with the dslr for that
aspect of it.
Just wish there was a midway point - like a cut price Oly E1 with
fixed lens and 4/3 sensor.
The costs of lenses and bulk will be closer to a full sized dslr
from what I see.
But we can keep hoping can't we?
John
 
Oh....and where does this 8mp CCD come from? The moon? Sony makes the current 5mp CCD's.
Emmanuel
Bit worrying that the S7000 may steal its thunder, especially in
terms of resolution, but if the A1 has good noise performance and
higher ISO it could be a winner.

The diff between 5MP and 6MP (average DSLR) is not great in res
terms, only in DR and noise terms, and even canon use lots of NR
processing to achieve that on the 10D at high ISO. Its just
possible that significant s/n improvements have been made on the
2/3 chip.

We wait and see as usual.

Steve
Hey Dynacam

Does it have focus-assisted light? and how is the low light focusing?

Thanks

Gamo.
dynacam
(Graeme Knox)
http://www.k-island.com
 
Any speculation on how they may have gone about improving the AF?
Good question - reports say its FAST! How they do that without splitting the light paths and doing a directional phase comparison I really dont know.

However it did occur to me that mechanically, the smaller lenses with the greater DOF require far less physical movement with far less inertia. If the CD algorithm could be improved (even by using a much faster processor) the lens will easily be able to keep up. Whats more a fixed lens camera can optimise the focus motor to work with the CD system far more easily.
Not an easy task without using the traditional SLR systems!
Now SLR class AF really WOULD be something!
I really don't hold out much hope for greatly improved high ISO
ability off of these very small sensors, and going from 5MP is just
going from itsy-witsy to eeny-weeny,to use the technical terms.
There are several ways to improve the S/N ratio though. One (the best way) is to build much larger chips with consequently larger receptors, but as we all know thats expensive. Another is to reduce the voltage gain required to achieve a specific sensitivity, which can be done by reducing resistance characteristics (and heat) and possibly by reducing the level of filtering required (AA and colour array). However, there are still probably real gains still to come in image processing. The limitation is probably the speed and memory constraints of the hardware, and this can easily be upgraded.

But I would say that compared to a DSLR with a zoom, the A1 already has a 2 stop advantage - one from the IS system and one from the speed of the lens, so all they have to do is get a cleanish ISO400 and you can compete with 800 or 1600 on a DSLR in a practical sense.

The real problem is dynamic range. I'd love the lattitude of standard 100ISO negs. Unless they implement ISO 50 on the A1 I dont see they can improve it that much.
Even one extra stop would help loads though.
I find myself shooting lots of the time with a 2.8 lens at 1600,
which isn't much worse than ISO 400 on the D7.
At some stage, getting relatively noise-free data from a particular
area of silicon has to reach a limit, and I suspect that we are not
far from those limits now.
Perhaps room for a 20 - 30% improvement, but certainly not an order of magnitude, no.
--
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
 
Was found in the following article.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0306/03061101sonyicx456.asp
Emmanuel
Bit worrying that the S7000 may steal its thunder, especially in
terms of resolution, but if the A1 has good noise performance and
higher ISO it could be a winner.

The diff between 5MP and 6MP (average DSLR) is not great in res
terms, only in DR and noise terms, and even canon use lots of NR
processing to achieve that on the 10D at high ISO. Its just
possible that significant s/n improvements have been made on the
2/3 chip.

We wait and see as usual.

Steve
Hey Dynacam

Does it have focus-assisted light? and how is the low light focusing?

Thanks

Gamo.
dynacam
(Graeme Knox)
http://www.k-island.com
 
I am just D7i user. I found minolta body IS patents in Japanese
Patent site.
http://www.ipdl.jpo.go.jp/homepg_e.ipdl

minolta has patent for these body IS as well as lens IS in Japan

body IS patent in Japanese by minolta
2000 - 224470
2000 - 187256

lens IS patent in Japanese by minolta
2001 - 194698
2001 - 194697

There are some more IS patent by minolta.

I heard another rumor minolta would make an announcement on August
7, 2003 in Japan.
--Thanks for the input, Yamazaki. Good info find.
Sol

Sometimes a photograph captures reality.
Sometimes a photograph captures the imagination.
Ultimately, a photograph simply captures a moment in time.
And then, . . . it lives forever.
 
that will be worhless in 12 months.
Hi Les,

I just reply to that point: Todays DSLRs are pretty good in quality and much better than allÄ compact cameras in terms of low noise and general image clarity. So even if in 1y there will be newer DSLRs with even better specs, that won't make your camera worse than it is now. And you can still make your clean 11x14 prints in great quality. So where is that problem?

Whereas todays compacts are all a bad compromise. Too much noise or not so sharp or too slow AF etc etc.

regards Bernie
 
Alrighty then, I started my digicam research last March, finally
decided to get the DiMAGE 7Hi for myself as a birthday present in
June. Things went a little wacky and had to put off the purchase
until late August. Now, this A1 pops up. Now, I'm not one of these
guys who can update cameras at will so what I get, I'll have to
live with for awhile. So now, it seems I can either just get the
7Hi and say the heck with it, or wait some more for reviews, final
specs, and street prices for this A1. Not asking for any feedback,
just grousing. If the IS is the real deal, it seems worth waiting
for. Yes? No?
Joel
The main issues that suck in 7i are:
-noise
-evf (quite good but not quite there yet)
-af
-battery consumption

The update seems to cover most of these issues (noise we'll see, but remembering the advances in ccd technology it is most likely there will be notable improvement).

However there will be other good options out by then also (like pentax *istD) and some over the horizon (canon rebel d) you will not be taking any pictures for another few months...

IS gives you about 1 f stop more "light" however it is of no use when photographing moving subjects or at short focal lengths. increasing iso one stop gives the same effect. Note that most dcams are not any good at aso 400 while 10D can do 800 no problem (3200 is still better than most dcams at 400) 10D needs monster lens to have f2.8 however

I do hope A1 will be a great camera.

To buy or wait that is allways though question. For me there were too many flaws in 7i (though it is best in its class) and I could afford 10D + good glass (and don't mind the size)... Been very happy since.

Good luck...
 
Hi Dave

Based on the traffic on some of the other forums, I think the A1 is going to have some interesting advantages: an Easier learning curve and fewer "Is my camera working properly ??" threads. Look at all the threads about 10D focusing issues, I grant you the A1 won't be perfect ( no camera is ), but you won't have the question of "Will this lens focus properly on this camera ?". As for the learning curve, unless they build in a "totally clueless about photography" mode, they could end up with a lot of people complaining about their prints being soft and out of focus. As I understand it, right now, you have to sharpen the images from a D-SLR, unlike a D7xx which does it for you. If people who own a Rebel get a digital Rebel that doesn't have an "auto-sharpen" mode, and just expect to shoot away and still get the same quality pictures without any post-processing, Canon is going to have a lot of very unhappy customers. Look what is happening in Korea, where a large SLR camea club ( 30,000 members ) is actually boycotting the 10D already.
Roy
David Martin wrote:
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There's a huge rumbling noise in the distance coming down the
highway towards this class of cameras, it's called the digital
rebel, and it's pretty apparent that one will be brought out, and
Canon will duplicate their film line-up in digital.
Lets hope the other players have exciting technology up their
sleeve, or they will be steam-rollered.
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Regards,
DaveMart
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