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Photoline 19.5 is out. This is a free update for v19 licensed owners.

The Photoshop PSD import is drastically improved, and now supports all adjustment layers but one (the photo filter) These are converted to Photoline's own non-destructive adjustment layers.

Smart Objects are read and converted to embedded placeholders. Even Illustrator embedded smart objects are supported (although Illustrator specific functionality remains unsupported). Obviously some limits remain: placed RAW SOs with Camera Raw and linked SOs are unsupported - those load up as image layers. However, "regular" Photoshop content is mostly supported even in Smart Objects (bitmap layers, adjustment layers, text layers, shape layers, layer masks, clipping masks, etc.).

PDF import and export was greatly improved as well.

The overall workflow has seen a plethora of improvements again, and many tools have been updated with new and amended features. For example, the modal curve editor's dialog is now scalable (no more tiny curve editors, such as the one in Photoshop)!

See for a complete list of new additions and features:

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Herbert123 said:
Photoline 19.5 is out. This is a free update for v19 licensed owners.

The Photoshop PSD import is drastically improved, and now supports all adjustment layers but one (the photo filter) These are converted to Photoline's own non-destructive adjustment layers.

Smart Objects are read and converted to embedded placeholders. Even Illustrator embedded smart objects are supported (although Illustrator specific functionality remains unsupported). Obviously some limits remain: placed RAW SOs with Camera Raw and linked SOs are unsupported - those load up as image layers. However, "regular" Photoshop content is mostly supported even in Smart Objects (bitmap layers, adjustment layers, text layers, shape layers, layer masks, clipping masks, etc.).

PDF import and export was greatly improved as well.

The overall workflow has seen a plethora of improvements again, and many tools have been updated with new and amended features. For example, the modal curve editor's dialog is now scalable (no more tiny curve editors, such as the one in Photoshop)!

See for a complete list of new additions and features:

http://www.pl32.com/pages/rnote.php

http://www.pl32.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5184
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Thanks for the heads up.

This program is becomming more and more interesting.
 
Yes indeed. A number of features, which are already available in the beta, are very interesting as well, but those will become integrated in the full point release later this year.
 
Excellent PSD import indeed, without any equivalent anywhere to my knowledge.

I suspect PL is already very, very good, but I wouldn't really know because the documentation is severely lacking. I mean, severely.

Suggestion for release 20: do not change anything to the software. just document it thouroughly and think of tutorials. This will improve so much what new users can do with PL, it will be like a whole new software.

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http://blog.lumieredargent.com
 
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Herbert123 said:
The Photoshop PSD import is drastically improved, and now supports all adjustment layers but one (the photo filter) These are converted to Photoline's own non-destructive adjustment layers.

Smart Objects are read and converted to embedded placeholders. Even Illustrator embedded smart objects are supported (although Illustrator specific functionality remains unsupported). Obviously some limits remain: placed RAW SOs with Camera Raw and linked SOs are unsupported - those load up as image layers. However, "regular" Photoshop content is mostly supported even in Smart Objects (bitmap layers, adjustment layers, text layers, shape layers, layer masks, clipping masks, etc.).
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I wish someone would make something that could do similar things so that a migration from Lightroom would be almost painless. Read the LR catalog and convert all the editing to the same or very similar functions in the different program.
 
Henry Richardson said:
Herbert123 said:
The Photoshop PSD import is drastically improved, and now supports all adjustment layers but one (the photo filter) These are converted to Photoline's own non-destructive adjustment layers.

Smart Objects are read and converted to embedded placeholders. Even Illustrator embedded smart objects are supported (although Illustrator specific functionality remains unsupported). Obviously some limits remain: placed RAW SOs with Camera Raw and linked SOs are unsupported - those load up as image layers. However, "regular" Photoshop content is mostly supported even in Smart Objects (bitmap layers, adjustment layers, text layers, shape layers, layer masks, clipping masks, etc.).
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I wish someone would make something that could do similar things so that a migration from Lightroom would be almost painless. Read the LR catalog and convert all the editing to the same or very similar functions in the different program.
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StephaneB said:
Excellent PSD import indeed, without any equivalent anywhere to my knowledge.

I suspect PL is already very, very good, but I wouldn't really know because the documentation is severely lacking. I mean, severely.

Suggestion for release 20: do not change anything to the software. just document it thouroughly and think of tutorials. This will improve so much what new users can do with PL, it will be like a whole new software.
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StephaneB said:
Henry Richardson said:
Herbert123 said:
The Photoshop PSD import is drastically improved, and now supports all adjustment layers but one (the photo filter) These are converted to Photoline's own non-destructive adjustment layers.

Smart Objects are read and converted to embedded placeholders. Even Illustrator embedded smart objects are supported (although Illustrator specific functionality remains unsupported). Obviously some limits remain: placed RAW SOs with Camera Raw and linked SOs are unsupported - those load up as image layers. However, "regular" Photoshop content is mostly supported even in Smart Objects (bitmap layers, adjustment layers, text layers, shape layers, layer masks, clipping masks, etc.).
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I wish someone would make something that could do similar things so that a migration from Lightroom would be almost painless. Read the LR catalog and convert all the editing to the same or very similar functions in the different program.

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Henry Richardson
http://www.bakubo.com
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That is very difficult to do. And I suspect very few people are actually looking to replace Lightroom.
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Photoshop adjustment layers have lots of similarities to the nondestructive editing of Lightroom. So, I suspect that it isn't much harder, possibly no harder, to do if some company wanted to do it. Photoline has shown that it can be done, albeit almost surely not perfectly. But, perfection is not absolutely necessary.

As the old Chinese proverb that I used to have on my office wall said:

"Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man who is doing it."

Do you also suspect very few people are actually looking to replace Photoshop? Photoline seems to think it is worth doing.
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ACDsee has a Lightroom database import facility, but it is for keywords and collections.
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I wonder why they have that facility if "very few people are actually looking to replace Lightroom"?

There are often threads right here about people looking for replacements for PS and LR. I am surprised you have missed them since they appear pretty regularly and usually get tons of replies.

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http://www.bakubo.com
 
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Henry Richardson said:
StephaneB said:
Henry Richardson said:
Herbert123 said:
The Photoshop PSD import is drastically improved, and now supports all adjustment layers but one (the photo filter) These are converted to Photoline's own non-destructive adjustment layers.

Smart Objects are read and converted to embedded placeholders. Even Illustrator embedded smart objects are supported (although Illustrator specific functionality remains unsupported). Obviously some limits remain: placed RAW SOs with Camera Raw and linked SOs are unsupported - those load up as image layers. However, "regular" Photoshop content is mostly supported even in Smart Objects (bitmap layers, adjustment layers, text layers, shape layers, layer masks, clipping masks, etc.).
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I wish someone would make something that could do similar things so that a migration from Lightroom would be almost painless. Read the LR catalog and convert all the editing to the same or very similar functions in the different program.
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Herbert123 said:
StephaneB said:
Excellent PSD import indeed, without any equivalent anywhere to my knowledge.

I suspect PL is already very, very good, but I wouldn't really know because the documentation is severely lacking. I mean, severely.

Suggestion for release 20: do not change anything to the software. just document it thouroughly and think of tutorials. This will improve so much what new users can do with PL, it will be like a whole new software.
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brucet said:
Herbert123 said:
StephaneB said:
Excellent PSD import indeed, without any equivalent anywhere to my knowledge.

I suspect PL is already very, very good, but I wouldn't really know because the documentation is severely lacking. I mean, severely.

Suggestion for release 20: do not change anything to the software. just document it thouroughly and think of tutorials. This will improve so much what new users can do with PL, it will be like a whole new software.

--
Stéphane
http://gallery.lumieredargent.com
http://blog.lumieredargent.com
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I do agree with you - good, comprehensive tutorials ARE lacking, and it does hamper Photoline's case.

I am contemplating to start creating a good set of tutorials myself. What would you think should be covered?
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Herbert123 if you were brave enough to start doing tutorials I would suggest a tour of the UI as a good starting point. Then a simple tutorial that compares PL's terminology to other popular editing programs. Those two issues seem to be the biggest stumbling block. Well they are for me.

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I don't have a problem with that. If you know Photoshop well and know the techniques behind it then you'll find your way around the interface of Photoline. It's not that hard for seasoned photoshop user.

However, beginning photo editors might have a problem though. But that also goes for photoshop! Both editors might be intimidating for beginning editors.

The advantage of photoshop is the wealth of online tutorials.
 
StephaneB said:
Henry Richardson said:
StephaneB said:
Henry Richardson said:
Herbert123 said:
The Photoshop PSD import is drastically improved, and now supports all adjustment layers but one (the photo filter) These are converted to Photoline's own non-destructive adjustment layers.

Smart Objects are read and converted to embedded placeholders. Even Illustrator embedded smart objects are supported (although Illustrator specific functionality remains unsupported). Obviously some limits remain: placed RAW SOs with Camera Raw and linked SOs are unsupported - those load up as image layers. However, "regular" Photoshop content is mostly supported even in Smart Objects (bitmap layers, adjustment layers, text layers, shape layers, layer masks, clipping masks, etc.).
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I wish someone would make something that could do similar things so that a migration from Lightroom would be almost painless. Read the LR catalog and convert all the editing to the same or very similar functions in the different program.
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This is exactly why I have avoided LR and stuck with Bridge and Camera RAW. LR uses a proprietary database and Adobe isn't going to help you unlock it.

Photoline probably reads .xmp files if it reads PSDs so it would probably integrate with Bridge, ACDSee, etc.

Glad to see this program mature. CS6 still has legs but I wouldn't mind an alternative.
 
OzarkAggie said:
This is exactly why I have avoided LR and stuck with Bridge and Camera RAW. LR uses a proprietary database and Adobe isn't going to help you unlock it.

Photoline probably reads .xmp files if it reads PSDs so it would probably integrate with Bridge, ACDSee, etc.

Glad to see this program mature. CS6 still has legs but I wouldn't mind an alternative.
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Toermalijn said:
OzarkAggie said:
This is exactly why I have avoided LR and stuck with Bridge and Camera RAW. LR uses a proprietary database and Adobe isn't going to help you unlock it.

Photoline probably reads .xmp files if it reads PSDs so it would probably integrate with Bridge, ACDSee, etc.

Glad to see this program mature. CS6 still has legs but I wouldn't mind an alternative.
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OzarkAggie said:
Toermalijn said:
OzarkAggie said:
This is exactly why I have avoided LR and stuck with Bridge and Camera RAW. LR uses a proprietary database and Adobe isn't going to help you unlock it.

Photoline probably reads .xmp files if it reads PSDs so it would probably integrate with Bridge, ACDSee, etc.

Glad to see this program mature. CS6 still has legs but I wouldn't mind an alternative.

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It's not the camera...
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I used Photoline 19 as front for Photoshop cs6.

If i am missing something or a plug-in is not working you can switch to photoshop and go back right into photoline again. Works great.

I might buy it some day.

I am also still on cs6, don't like to rent.
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I'm curious as to whether Topaz integrates well, and now that Nik is free have you tried that?

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If i recall well, no problem there. Less problems with photoshop plug-ins then say ACDsee for instance where some plug-ins didn't work properly.

If you have cs6, like me, you just have to point to the plug-ins directory and photoline will use them.
 
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Good to know. Like Toermalijn I'm using CS6, but recently I began using Canon DDP 4 for my initial RAW conversion because of the lens profiles and digging data out of the shadows. At some point I expect that I'll be looking for a new editor but habit keeps me using Ps.
 
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