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I loved this in the lcd but was dissappointed once I got it home. Here is an unedited version.



It just lacks pop and being at ISO 800 has some noise. I want the colors more vibrant but I would love to keep the detail in the water spray. If the seagulls and rock are silhouetted that's ok. I've messed with it but can't seem to make it work. Can anybody teach me how to improve/salvage this image? I use PS elements. I also have neat image but have never been very good with it. Thanks in advance! Cindy
full res original image can be found here:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19903620/original

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must be wrong...
 
Hi Cindy,

The track I took was to create a new layer, set the blending to "color" and then create an orange to yellow gradient on the new layer. That made the sky look more vibrant and still roughly the same color that it really was. Then I did a contrast mask to make the bird on the right a little more visible. This is what I got:


I loved this in the lcd but was dissappointed once I got it home.
Here is an unedited version.



It just lacks pop and being at ISO 800 has some noise. I want the
colors more vibrant but I would love to keep the detail in the
water spray. If the seagulls and rock are silhouetted that's ok.
I've messed with it but can't seem to make it work. Can anybody
teach me how to improve/salvage this image? I use PS elements. I
also have neat image but have never been very good with it. Thanks
in advance! Cindy
full res original image can be found here:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19903620/original

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
--
Shay

My Sony F707 & F717 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
My F717 Observations: http://www.shaystephens.com/f717.asp
 
Cindy, not an expert, but you might try darkening it a bit. The sky is washed out it looks like. The birds would stay ok I think. Just a thought.
I loved this in the lcd but was dissappointed once I got it home.
Here is an unedited version.



It just lacks pop and being at ISO 800 has some noise. I want the
colors more vibrant but I would love to keep the detail in the
water spray. If the seagulls and rock are silhouetted that's ok.
I've messed with it but can't seem to make it work. Can anybody
teach me how to improve/salvage this image? I use PS elements. I
also have neat image but have never been very good with it. Thanks
in advance! Cindy
full res original image can be found here:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19903620/original

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
--
=^..^=
Mel
 
One problem is the sky is overexposed. I think Fred Miranda has an action that will bring back blown out light areas.

Neat image will take care of the noise, but you will have to tinker with the settings. As fas as colors you could try the channel mixer or HSL. I have quite a few pictures like that and they are very difficult to repair. They are so time consuming I dont bother.

You could always paste in a different sky.

I may give it a try later.
I loved this in the lcd but was dissappointed once I got it home.
Here is an unedited version.



It just lacks pop and being at ISO 800 has some noise. I want the
colors more vibrant but I would love to keep the detail in the
water spray. If the seagulls and rock are silhouetted that's ok.
I've messed with it but can't seem to make it work. Can anybody
teach me how to improve/salvage this image? I use PS elements. I
also have neat image but have never been very good with it. Thanks
in advance! Cindy
full res original image can be found here:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19903620/original

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
 
I loved this in the lcd but was dissappointed once I got it home.
Here is an unedited version.



It just lacks pop and being at ISO 800 has some noise. I want the
colors more vibrant but I would love to keep the detail in the
water spray. If the seagulls and rock are silhouetted that's ok.
I've messed with it but can't seem to make it work. Can anybody
teach me how to improve/salvage this image? I use PS elements. I
also have neat image but have never been very good with it. Thanks
in advance! Cindy
Cindy,

I'm sure this isn't what you're looking for, but I did have fun with it :-) It is a really fine image to work with and a splendid capture. I really like those frozen globules of water.

I was amazed how well it took processing, and even then I had to search for noise and artifacts @ 200%+. Way different than working with 717 ISO800 images. The noise in those images sort of jumps off the screen and into your eyes like sand....lol

Say what you will about my editing job. But it do have "POP"...lol
http://www3.pbase.com/image/19904610

Steve

--
http://www.pbase.com/slo2k

'If one really wishes to be master of an art, technical knowledge of it is not enough. One has to transcend technique so that the art becomes an 'artless art' growing out of the Unconscious.'
 
threw everything but the kitchen sink at it...
so don't even ask what i did... ;-)
not that you'd want to know anyway after seeing it...
way too much sharpening... lol
me thinks this one will be a tough one to fix up perfectly...



you can see the full size full res version here... just don't laugh at my attempt... ok?
http://www.pbase.com/image/19904755/original
I loved this in the lcd but was dissappointed once I got it home.
Here is an unedited version.
It just lacks pop and being at ISO 800 has some noise. I want the
colors more vibrant but I would love to keep the detail in the
water spray. If the seagulls and rock are silhouetted that's ok.
I've messed with it but can't seem to make it work. Can anybody
teach me how to improve/salvage this image? I use PS elements. I
also have neat image but have never been very good with it. Thanks
in advance! Cindy
full res original image can be found here:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19903620/original

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
--
cUrVe (n. from the latin curvus, meaning bent)
... it is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation...
... if you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much
space...
http://homepage.mac.com/cUrVe
http://homepage.mac.com/cUrVe/MoDeL_sHoTs
 
Here is a Photoshop tutorial. Most of these PS tutorials can be applied in Elements.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/instant_photoshop.shtml

You might also check the Adobe site for Elements and PS tutorials. They are very good!

TN
I loved this in the lcd but was dissappointed once I got it home.
Here is an unedited version.



It just lacks pop and being at ISO 800 has some noise. I want the
colors more vibrant but I would love to keep the detail in the
water spray. If the seagulls and rock are silhouetted that's ok.
I've messed with it but can't seem to make it work. Can anybody
teach me how to improve/salvage this image? I use PS elements. I
also have neat image but have never been very good with it. Thanks
in advance! Cindy
full res original image can be found here:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19903620/original

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
 
I took a stab at it, but its not an easy correction. If you were shooting in matrix metering mode this photo you should have been shooting at maybe -1ev and braketing. These are really tough shots to take, so its alway good to rip off as many as you can. Look at the histogram. Its got a spike on the dark end and a spike on the light end. Very difficult.

The lightest part of the sky is totally blown out which makes it difficult to correct. Blowouts are the hardest for me to correct. I assume that the blown out part of the sky was blue sky, but in any case I decided to treat it as clouds.

Also I did this with psp8.

To do this you make a duplicate layer.

You can change the opacity of the top layer as you wish. You could use mild colors and you 90-100% opacity or use very strong colors on the top layer and use maybe 50% opacity.

Remember all of your work is on the top layer and the original underneath is untouched.

Select the lower section with the majic wand, its easy because it such a high contrast shot. Delete the lower dark section. Invert the selection so the top half is selected. Now you can just work on the sky.
It helps to turn off the lower layer so you can see only the top sky layer.

This is almost all psp8 airbrush work. I tried several other methods, but for me this would be the fastest.

Since the light area is totally blown out, you need some sort of color in the blown out white areas.

Huge brush, Yellow, opacity +-3, hardness 30-40, until you get it where you want it.

Then touch up the rest of the clouds using yellow, orange, red, purple. Skys this late in the day are usually purplish close to the horizon. The bottoms of clouds are also purplish. I think the sky blowout caused a loss in color in this photo. Was the sky more purplish orange ?

That got me close on the sky. But the water was also a part of this selection and lost some contrast, so I used the burn tool with the limit set on shadow to give the waves more contrast. I also did a bit of that to the sky. At this point go back and forth and view both layers together. At the end you can leave it layered or merge it into a single layer jpeg.

Now that I look at it again I think it needs more purple in it. You could work on these kind of images forever.

I am not sure if you could do this with ps elements. If not get hold of an old copy of ps or psp, or a trial version and try it out.

I reduced the image to 1040x_ to make it easier to work on.

Try it out on the full size file.
It also helps to have a Wacom pen tablet.


I loved this in the lcd but was dissappointed once I got it home.
Here is an unedited version.



It just lacks pop and being at ISO 800 has some noise. I want the
colors more vibrant but I would love to keep the detail in the
water spray. If the seagulls and rock are silhouetted that's ok.
I've messed with it but can't seem to make it work. Can anybody
teach me how to improve/salvage this image? I use PS elements. I
also have neat image but have never been very good with it. Thanks
in advance! Cindy
full res original image can be found here:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19903620/original

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
 
I've mentioned before that we've been having a long run of overcast skies, so have been taking lots of pictures while I had the chance. I used one of those to blend with what you already had. It's kind of a quick'n dirty solution, but if you think it's headed the way you want to go, I can put some time into it.



(haven't uploaded the original-- let me know if you want it)
 
Later I'll look through the procedures you all used and seeing if I can't do something similar myself!
Cindy
I loved this in the lcd but was dissappointed once I got it home.
Here is an unedited version.



It just lacks pop and being at ISO 800 has some noise. I want the
colors more vibrant but I would love to keep the detail in the
water spray. If the seagulls and rock are silhouetted that's ok.
I've messed with it but can't seem to make it work. Can anybody
teach me how to improve/salvage this image? I use PS elements. I
also have neat image but have never been very good with it. Thanks
in advance! Cindy
full res original image can be found here:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19903620/original

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must be wrong...
 
Sarah,

I had the IR portrait of your sister bookmarked, but it's gone now. That's one of my favorite portraits ever. Is there anyway you can email the picture to me or put it back online again for a short while? I'll save it this time, I promise. -Thanks

Cindy,

I worked on your photograph this afternoon, it's really a great shot...it just needs a little spice. I did a lot of really little adjustments: tinkered the levels, used the lasso to select everything above the water and increased red and yellow saturation (+15 - 20) and lowered the brightness and raised the contrast, used the gradiant to add ND (and a little yellow) above the rocks (on separate layers of about 5 - 15% opacity), and the airbrush for a little sky work. There were about 6 - 7 layers and I went through about 4 of them before I was happy with this one. If you like it and want more detail I'll be more specific. Anyway, I'll (try) to imbed the small one and post a link to the full size pic. Enjoy.



The full size image is available at http://www.newsushi.net/sunsetcindyd .jpg (obviously I had to put a space between the name and .jpg or it would have posted that monstrosity here.

-NewSushi
 
mine isn't blown because the smog covers up all the rays. :D

What I am kind of thinking is that mixing one or two of the other skies people came up with, with this one. That would give it the color it seems to want.

It's fun stuff, huh?

Nancy

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I say Nancy's got the goods!!! I like how you made the sky look
MUCH more natural, Nancy. For me, one of the other examples has
more "pop" in the color department but, yours looks as if the sky
was never blown out to begin with... clever!!!

Mark J
 
cindy has managed to accidentaly capture an excellent shot of a huge hole in the ozone layer that i imagine scientists would be very interested in...
What I am kind of thinking is that mixing one or two of the other
skies people came up with, with this one. That would give it the
color it seems to want.

It's fun stuff, huh?

Nancy

---------
I say Nancy's got the goods!!! I like how you made the sky look
MUCH more natural, Nancy. For me, one of the other examples has
more "pop" in the color department but, yours looks as if the sky
was never blown out to begin with... clever!!!

Mark J
--
cUrVe (n. from the latin curvus, meaning bent)
... it is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation...
... if you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much
space...
http://homepage.mac.com/cUrVe
http://homepage.mac.com/cUrVe/MoDeL_sHoTs
 
I knew I could count on the skill and willingness to help here. I love all the different solutions, and each has merrit.

on a tech note. I went back and reviewed the shots from that evening. In my mind I had remembered this awesome fantastic colorful sunset. That sunset does show up in a lot of my shots. But, this shot was taken before the great colors started popping. I looked at the whole series and all of the shots around this one look about the same. Later I got the super saturated pinks/reds/purples/oranges/etc right out of the camera. Infact we went out the next evening and I got the best out of camera sunsets I've ever taken! (will share those later). The sky is blown out here because that was actually the sun itself with just a thin layer of clouds to keep it from blinding. You could see the circular outline of it through the clouds - no blue sky there. I did actually take the pic on -1 ev, the exif on pbase indicated it as -1 white balance, so that is a mistake. -1 ev and auto white balance.

My serious lack of skill in PS is showing here. I've spent a lot more time over the last year or so learning the photography end of it. Now I'm going to take a PS class a the local community college this fall and try to start learning the post processing better.

Now for the tough part - to go through your suggestions and try to figure out what you each did! Thanks! Cindy

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must be wrong...
 
Sarah,

I had the IR portrait of your sister bookmarked, but it's gone now.
That's one of my favorite portraits ever. Is there anyway you can
email the picture to me or put it back online again for a short
while? I'll save it this time, I promise. -Thanks
That was my doing Sushi. I don't want to get into details but no pics of the girls are left on public galleries in pbase, and Phil has made it site policy to prohibit under 18 members . . . thus Sarah has not been posting anymore. Sorry
Cindy,

I worked on your photograph this afternoon, it's really a great
shot...it just needs a little spice. I did a lot of really little
adjustments: tinkered the levels, used the lasso to select
everything above the water
Did you actually select along the water? I sort of tried that but got frustrated pretty quickly.
and increased red and yellow saturation
(+15 - 20) and lowered the brightness and raised the contrast,
OK
used the gradiant to add ND (and a little yellow) above the rocks (on
separate layers of about 5 - 15% opacity), and the airbrush for a
little sky work.
Here is where you lose me ND?
There were about 6 - 7 layers and I went through
about 4 of them before I was happy with this one. If you like it
and want more detail I'll be more specific. Anyway, I'll (try) to
imbed the small one and post a link to the full size pic. Enjoy.
Yes, if you don't mind I would love to learn more. This is really impressive. The water looks light and detailed. The noise is gone. It is a little yellow for my taste but the work is great. Would love to know more details so I can give it a shot myself. Thanks!

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must be wrong...
 
your shot :-)

I knew you'd get some real nice edits. The shot itself is really, really good. Yeah, the Sun blows out part of the sky. So what? It looked great to begin with. After these folks got through with it, it looked even better. This shot really has to be viewed at the original size to really appreciate all the nuances. If you've got some that are even better than this.....please don't post them....LOL J/K

As I mentioned in my earlier post, the lack of noise is really dramatic. Wayyyyyyyyyyy less noise than I would see on an ISO100 shot.

I really had a ball foolin with it :-) I'm having even more fun, looking at it, over and over...lol

A big thank you for sharing it,
Steve
I knew I could count on the skill and willingness to help here. I
love all the different solutions, and each has merrit.

on a tech note. I went back and reviewed the shots from that
evening. In my mind I had remembered this awesome fantastic
colorful sunset. That sunset does show up in a lot of my shots.
But, this shot was taken before the great colors started popping.
I looked at the whole series and all of the shots around this one
look about the same. Later I got the super saturated
pinks/reds/purples/oranges/etc right out of the camera. Infact we
went out the next evening and I got the best out of camera sunsets
I've ever taken! (will share those later). The sky is blown out
here because that was actually the sun itself with just a thin
layer of clouds to keep it from blinding. You could see the
circular outline of it through the clouds - no blue sky there. I
did actually take the pic on -1 ev, the exif on pbase indicated it
as -1 white balance, so that is a mistake. -1 ev and auto white
balance.

My serious lack of skill in PS is showing here. I've spent a lot
more time over the last year or so learning the photography end of
it. Now I'm going to take a PS class a the local community college
this fall and try to start learning the post processing better.

Now for the tough part - to go through your suggestions and try to
figure out what you each did! Thanks! Cindy

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
--
http://www.pbase.com/slo2k

'If one really wishes to be master of an art, technical knowledge of it is not enough. One has to transcend technique so that the art becomes an 'artless art' growing out of the Unconscious.'
 

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