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What keeps you from accepting other peoples gear choice?

What keeps you from accepting other peoples gear choice?

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Based on one hand on a recent spate of threads and on the other hand on something which seems to be a tradition around here, I got to thinking a bit (yes, I know, novel approach, but it does happen even to the worst of us): what is it that keeps some people from accepting other peoples gear choice?

We repeatedly have threads and posts which can, one way or the other, be condensed down to my gear choice is the best, and yours is wrong. You can substitute any gear here, be it mirrorless, DSLR, smartphone, Sony, Canikon,whatever. The central behaviour is always the same.

So what causes it, what causes you to not accept other peoples choice? What is your reason?

Oh, and need I say it? Try and keep it civil :-)

Regards, Mike
 
Lightpath48 said:
I don't ever think critically of other's gear choices. They have their reasons.
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Good answer. I should have included that in the poll!

Regards, Mike
 
Mike CH said:
Based on one hand on a recent spate of threads and on the other hand on something which seems to be a tradition around here, I got to thinking a bit (yes, I know, novel approach, but it does happen even to the worst of us): what is it that keeps some people from accepting other peoples gear choice?

We repeatedly have threads and posts which can, one way or the other, be condensed down to my gear choice is the best, and yours is wrong. You can substitute any gear here, be it mirrorless, DSLR, smartphone, Sony, Canikon,whatever. The central behaviour is always the same.

So what causes it, what causes you to not accept other peoples choice? What is your reason?
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I'm not a child.
 
Bob Tullis said:
Mike CH said:
So what causes it, what causes you to not accept other peoples choice? What is your reason?
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I'm not a child.
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(My highlights)

Ehh? Huh?

Being a grown-up causes you to not accept other peoples choices?

I think you meant that the other way around :-)

(Yes, I know the logic in the poll is based on negations :-) )

Regards, Mike
 
My gear choices are the worst.

Anyone looking for advice on cutting edge gear should not emulate me.

My main camera is an Olympus PL5 from 2012.

It's showing its age, but I cannot justify replacing it with something only slightly better. The LCD broke recently when when it was yanked by inquisitive small fingers out of its cabinet and hit the floor. Instead of sending it in for repairs like a sane person, I bought the replacement part and fixed it myself (if anyone finds themselves in the same situation... send it in for repairs like a sane person).

Maybe when the next gen of m43 rolls out, and the current gen goes on sale, I'll think about upgrading it.

The PL5 has a sensor half the size of a 35mm camera. For some situations this was a limitation to the type of photos I wanted to shoot, but I didn't want to spend the asking price of a new 35mm, or buy a decade-old third hand body.

So I bought a clearance priced APS-C camera - it's a Sony A300 with a crap plastic build, a super-low res LCD screen (and even worse EVF) from circa 2005... but with a great sensor.

I added a cheap focal reducer. It has such terrible build quality that it fell apart within the first week of serious use, requiring me to repair it with screws from an optician's spare parts bin and loc-tite adhesive from an automobile repair retailer. I cradle lenses carefully when shooting for fear of the adapter failing again.

This combination of cheap crap gives me the 35mm FF look at a price of just over $350.

Then there are the lenses.

You might assume that if I'm using a crap body setup, I clearly must be "investing" in expensive glass.

You'd be wrong.

My poor-man's faux FF only works with manual focus lenses (a nice Metabones electronic focal reducer and the lenses that it would enable are likewise outside the budget I set for this venture).

Some of the manual focus lenses I picked up were free... the gifted Olympus OM 50mm 1.7 is nice.

Others were thrift shop finds, like the $10 Super Takumar 55mm 1.8 in M42 mount.

Some were local online classified buys like the Rokinon 85mm 1.4 being sold by a Nikon shooter who had accidentally bought the lens in Canon EF and was reselling it cheap as a result, or the Helios 44-2 f2 and the Pentax-A 50mm 1.4 picked up from a guy down the street.

And the result?

The keeper rate is dreadful. So many shots are out of focus. So many moments are missed.

And yet... when it works it is so very very satisfying.

My gear choices are the worst.
 
There are endless discussions about camera x vs camera y, sensors, primes vs zoom, dslr vs ML etc. with tons of people who constantly trying to tell me that they own the absolute truth and my decision for gear choice is wrong.

So how come, more than 50% have chosen the first option? Come on guys, half of you a must be liars. ;-)

Moti

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Bob Tullis said:
Mike CH said:
Bob Tullis said:
Mike CH said:
So what causes it, what causes you to not accept other peoples choice? What is your reason?
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I'm not a child.
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(My highlights)

Ehh? Huh?

Being a grown-up causes you to not accept other peoples choices?

I think you meant that the other way around :-)
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No, I meant I'm not a child.
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Well, obviously
Bobo Hodls said:
I realize it's an advanced concept,
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Testy, testy....
Bobo Hodls said:
yet it should need no explanation.
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I think you should read the question again. It's quoted above, and it does contain that little not. Devious, I know, but it is there. And it does have an influence on how your answer is interpreted in context :-)

In context you managed to imply, given the way the question is asked, that adults do not accept other peoples choices.

And I really, really think that you meant that, as an adult, of course you accept other peoples choices, no?

Regards, Mike
 
Moti said:
There are endless discussions about camera x vs camera y, sensors, primes vs zoom, dslr vs ML etc. with tons of people who constantly trying to tell me that they own the absolute truth and my decision for gear choice is wrong.

So how come, more than 50% have chosen the first option? Come on guys, half of you a must be liars. ;-)
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It's worse than that! Close to 90% as of right now are willing to or do accept other peoples choices.

Perhaps the people you are referring to simply choose to not answer the poll? ;-)

Regards, Mike
 
people can use whatever they want to use, as long as they want to use the same as me.
 
cookedraw said:
people can use whatever they want to use, as long as they want to use the same as me.
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Ah, yes - all cars are best in black :-)

Regards, Mike
 
Mike CH said:
Based on one hand on a recent spate of threads and on the other hand on something which seems to be a tradition around here, I got to thinking a bit (yes, I know, novel approach, but it does happen even to the worst of us): what is it that keeps some people from accepting other peoples gear choice?

We repeatedly have threads and posts which can, one way or the other, be condensed down to my gear choice is the best, and yours is wrong. You can substitute any gear here, be it mirrorless, DSLR, smartphone, Sony, Canikon,whatever. The central behaviour is always the same.

So what causes it, what causes you to not accept other peoples choice? What is your reason?
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I think I understand your motives for starting tis thread, Mike, but in some ways it tends to exonerate some of the other people who start the threads you dislike.

Your headline question "What keeps you from accepting other peoples gear choice?" suggests that the reader doesn't accept other peoples choices whereas - as your poll recognises - for many there is nothing that keeps is from accepting those choices.

Then there's the difficulty of phrasing the questions: you have two options starting "People can use whatever gear they want ..." but then continue " ... it's no skin off my nose" or "... but I get annoyed by fanboys". Those choices aren't mutually exclusive - I don't care what other people use but I do care if they are fanboyish when telling me about it.

The option "Variation is good ..." doesn't conflict with the ones I've just mentioned, so I'd actually tick three of your options: but I can't meaningfully tick just one of them.

My point is that although you've tried to be objective it's (a) hard enough to generate a truly objective questionnaire and (b) the DPR poll structure militates against doing so. I suspect that some, at least, of the apparently objectionable threads start from honest enquiry but slip into trouble by accident.
 
Pentax and Fuji and yep.
 
Gerry Winterbourne said:
Mike CH said:
Based on one hand on a recent spate of threads and on the other hand on something which seems to be a tradition around here, I got to thinking a bit (yes, I know, novel approach, but it does happen even to the worst of us): what is it that keeps some people from accepting other peoples gear choice?

We repeatedly have threads and posts which can, one way or the other, be condensed down to my gear choice is the best, and yours is wrong. You can substitute any gear here, be it mirrorless, DSLR, smartphone, Sony, Canikon,whatever. The central behaviour is always the same.

So what causes it, what causes you to not accept other peoples choice? What is your reason?
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I think I understand your motives for starting tis thread, Mike, but in some ways it tends to exonerate some of the other people who start the threads you dislike.
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I think I will come back to that point, later, when the poll has run a bit longer :-)
Gerry Winterbourne said:
Your headline question "What keeps you from accepting other peoples gear choice?" suggests that the reader doesn't accept other peoples choices whereas - as your poll recognises - for many there is nothing that keeps is from accepting those choices.
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I seldom have my tongue firmly in the strict middle of my mouth. A failing, yes, but... :-)
Gerry Winterbourne said:
Then there's the difficulty of phrasing the questions: you have two options starting "People can use whatever gear they want ..." but then continue " ... it's no skin off my nose" or "... but I get annoyed by fanboys". Those choices aren't mutually exclusive - I don't care what other people use but I do care if they are fanboyish when telling me about it.

The option "Variation is good ..." doesn't conflict with the ones I've just mentioned, so I'd actually tick three of your options: but I can't meaningfully tick just one of them.

My point is that although you've tried to be objective it's (a) hard enough to generate a truly objective questionnaire and (b) the DPR poll structure militates against doing so. I suspect that some, at least, of the apparently objectionable threads start from honest enquiry but slip into trouble by accident.
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Yes, for a really valid poll we would need a somewhat more versatile poll format. And, yes, that not-so-versatile format can quite likely have the effect you mention.

Regards, Mike
 
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