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Do these people believe their own BS? "it's not the equipment, it's the photographer!"
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Different equipment only gives different options, potentially. Doesn't improve your skills or capabilities.
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John Sheehy
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I think that anyone who believes that something as broad as existing and potential "Photography" can be reduced to an "it" that "it is all about" has language as their master; not as their tool.
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Did you respond to the wrong post? What does this have to do with what I posted?
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Do fish out of water comparisons really mean anything or are you just self sexing on your keyboard?
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"...gear doesn't matter? Really?"
Really!
That is what I tell people on these forums when they upload real trash images and ask should they replace their mirrorless with D4 (or other way around) to improve their pictures.
That is what I tell people who ask me what camera should they buy to replace their perfectly fine hardware.
When I see a friend who makes his living and feeds his family and does not even know that his equipment is 2-3 models behind (OMG) that is when I say, "it's not the equipment, it's the photographer!"
Really!
That is what I tell people on these forums when they upload real trash images and ask should they replace their mirrorless with D4 (or other way around) to improve their pictures.
That is what I tell people who ask me what camera should they buy to replace their perfectly fine hardware.
When I see a friend who makes his living and feeds his family and does not even know that his equipment is 2-3 models behind (OMG) that is when I say, "it's not the equipment, it's the photographer!"
tbcass
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Back in film days it actually took tremendous skill and powers of anticipation to get the shot.
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
sportyaccordy
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Of course the gear matters to some degree. I think that folks often overrate how important it is though, which is probably why the saying "it's not the equipment.... " resonates with me, even if it isn't 100% true. I think that the gear matters less and less these days with the technology as capable as it is.
In terms of IQ, except for the kind of stuff that is reliant on a ton of really fine detail (and I would argue that a lot of styles of photography clearly aren't) or for shooting in very low light, that the difference between a 1" sensor and FF is more often than not, not going to be something that is easily noticed.
I worked selling cameras for a bit and so many customers seemed ready to trade in decent, barely used, recent model gear so that they could get "the quality of FF." I tend to think that most of these folks hadn't even exploited the gear they already had and were just assuming that if they moved to the latest and greatest larger format gear they would be upping their game a lot. I've seen too much great work done with modest gear to believe that it's really going to hold folks back. Better, I think to really learn to use what you've got and to develop an artistic eye than to be caught on the upgrade train.
Think about how many truly great photographs where made on 35mm gear, gear that I'd say doesn't even match the IQ of cheap digital stuff (though you can argue that stuff like shallow DOF and certain other effects are more possible).
In terms of IQ, except for the kind of stuff that is reliant on a ton of really fine detail (and I would argue that a lot of styles of photography clearly aren't) or for shooting in very low light, that the difference between a 1" sensor and FF is more often than not, not going to be something that is easily noticed.
I worked selling cameras for a bit and so many customers seemed ready to trade in decent, barely used, recent model gear so that they could get "the quality of FF." I tend to think that most of these folks hadn't even exploited the gear they already had and were just assuming that if they moved to the latest and greatest larger format gear they would be upping their game a lot. I've seen too much great work done with modest gear to believe that it's really going to hold folks back. Better, I think to really learn to use what you've got and to develop an artistic eye than to be caught on the upgrade train.
Think about how many truly great photographs where made on 35mm gear, gear that I'd say doesn't even match the IQ of cheap digital stuff (though you can argue that stuff like shallow DOF and certain other effects are more possible).
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chipmaster
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Technology is a great equalizer if not advancer of capability for the common man, ain't that great!Back in film days it actually took tremendous skill and powers of anticipation to get the shot.
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Tom
Look at the picture, not the pixels
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
If I have a sideline pass and sat next to him I as well as many of the other shooing 10+ FPS would likely get that shot. Tools matter, you sure don't want to be sitting next to us with your film camera, light meter and 10 frames left on that 36 roll, LOL. Though business to be eeking out a living these days, but sweet for us lame unskilled hobbiest, we just upgrade each generation, who says gear doesn't matter for sports/action, you can never have too much high ISO, FPS/deep buffer, or AF-C, bring on the D5 and 1DMkX II
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Biological_Viewfinder
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What's sad about that statement is that he literally doesn't realize how bad it sounds.Technology is a great equalizer if not advancer of capability for the common man, ain't that great!Back in film days it actually took tremendous skill and powers of anticipation to get the shot.
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Tom
Look at the picture, not the pixels
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
If I have a sideline pass and sat next to him I as well as many of the other shooing 10+ FPS would likely get that shot. Tools matter, you sure don't want to be sitting next to us with your film camera, light meter and 10 frames left on that 36 roll, LOL. Though business to be eeking out a living these days, but sweet for us lame unskilled hobbiest, we just upgrade each generation, who says gear doesn't matter for sports/action, you can never have too much high ISO, FPS/deep buffer, or AF-C, bring on the D5 and 1DMkX II
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" Today's Pictures Are Tomorrow's Memories "
The guy that took that picture with film was truly skilled.
The people who do it now might as well have a robot do it.
The days are coming when cameras will shoot video at full resolution.... 60 frames per second. Then you can sit at home and go through 400,000 pictures and find the ones you deem to be most perfect without ever having to push a button the whole time.
The reality though will always be that the man who took this photo made an instantaneous painting masterpiece, while you simply captured light repeatedly really fast. One person is a true photographer, an artist, skilled and capable. The other person is practically a robot behind the technology, simply just there, not learning much at all, and leaning heavily on the crutch of modern cameras. One is a master the other is a slave.
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They still had to find a good vantage point, give them credit for that.
That was beautiful.
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