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Another Reason to Stay Away from Windows 10
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captura
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Well, they call it an upgrade, but is it really? I know that the Windows 10 Home Premium version is really much more like the old Starter versions on older OS's, and a MS technician agreed with me when I asked him that. The removal of user-controls from Win 10 versions is somewhat like a downgrade.
mahidoes
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For me this is another reason to install WIn10.. Stability is more important. Main programs will be working anyway
Cliff Fujii
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I retired from a fortune 500 company about two years ago and my job was providing large systems integration. I works on the help desk for a number of years and we had a Microsoft contract to support services for apps and OS. I don't see anything wrong with Microsoft moving software to the windows.old folder (technically not deleting) along with it's registry entries because if you don't isolate the software, what you leave behind might cause unforeseen instability. To be sure, Microsoft didn't force us to upgrade or moved deleted software automatically because we in IT made those decisions through group policy and scripting of the upgrades. We also had access to microsoft's tech net system so we had a good understanding on how the upgrades work. We paid for our support so it's not surprising that Microsoft left us alone. We also had technicians that were Microsoft educated with MCSE certification.
It's pretty simple, if you don't want free automatic support, then get rid of windows. Although I wouldn't recommend Linux to just anyone, it's great and it has a lot of free utilities. I uses to use Red Hat as a base OS for server applications like mid level database boxes.
It's not the I'm insensitive to the plight of those who don't want to be told what to do. I just understand that Microsoft is a business and they have to eliminate drains to the bottom line. If enough people vote with their wallets, then Microsoft might change their policies. Since Microsoft has 90% of the OS business, it's going to take a lot to get them the change.
Here's another thing, I have this off shore idiot calling me about once a month saying that he is from Dell technical support. He said that my PC was sending error messages to the Dell support servers. I ask him for the Dell incident number and I get the hang up. A lot of these issues might also be malicious calls. I presume this "Dell Employee" wants to install some monitoring software to help track down the errors. When you ask him for the MAC Address of the offending machine he hangs up. So yes I believe that Microsoft is moving software it thinks will destabilize their OS to the windows.old folder, there could be other explanations. I think that these automatic actions are a way to contain costs.
Cliff Fujii
Veteran Member
People will do a lot for free anything. The old Microsoft support model, for those with no support contracts, was to charge by the incident. That wasn't very popular but that was the model for many years.
I've worked with Red Hat on servers for a number of years and it works just great, especially with databases. Unfortunately, the DBs are somewhat primitive and require more manual support than Oracle, but they are reliable and if properly maintained, very robust.
The data might not be so hard to move over but the executables will need some study as to what Linux apps with work with your data. As and example, it's going to be more difficult to get Blu-ray commercial disks to work with Linux. I'm not sure why it's so hard to get Blu-ray drivers/applications that will allow you to play commercial Blu-ray disks on a Linux platform.
Cliff Fujii
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malch
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Forget support. Aside from license activation issues, I've not even attempted to contact MS for 20+ years.
And, even if I did, the quality of any free support will be commensurate with the price paid for it.
There are some Windows apps I can't live without:
1. Some I wrote myself. Those written in Perl are a piece of cake to port over. The C++ apps will basically need a rewrite since they were heavily based on MFC. I've started the process and it certainly looks doable. A lot of work... but it's fun!
2. Photoshop. I plan to run Win 7 under Linux with VirtualBox for this. The biggest question there is how best to share data (esp. my photo collection) between the host and guest operating systems.
3. TurboTax, at least during tax season. Of course, I could just do that on a different machine but since I'll have a virtual machine running Windows, I might as well use that.
4. Something else I haven't thought of? There's sure to be something! But again, I should have it covered with VirtualBox.
Can blame the content industry for that one. Their notion of fair use is a lobbyist bought hell for consumers. screw them - I'm turning my blu-rays into mp4s so I can play them on any device in the house.
If Photoshop and Lightroom could run on Linux, and I don't mean in a VM, I would start converting to Linux today. I liked MS up to Win7, became skeptical when Win8 was released, and now I'm totally disgusted by Microsoft's Win10 shenanigans.
Adobe, get the cloud versions of Photoshop and Lightroom to run on Linux and you will get a flood of people who use them, to pay for the CC versions. Including me.
Sky
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OSX is unix, and you do have Adobe availability there.
But, then you're restricted to the limited HW offerings from Apple. (Unless hackintosh is still a viable option - I have never experimented with it) I'm happy with their laptops, but not their desktops or their single workstation type.
captura
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Not inclined to go the Apple route. Linux would be my choice at this time. I'll wait until Win7 and Win8.1 security support ends and maybe by that time Adobe will release versions of Photoshop and Lightroom that can run on Linux. Plan to wait and see.
Thanks,
Sky
Sean Nelson
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I wouldn't hold my breath on *nix support from Adobe - IMHO its market share is just too small for them to bother developing and testing on the myriad of different variants.
Cliff Fujii
Veteran Member
My experience with MS support has been good. I had an obscure issue that too 2nd level support to fix but fixed it was. I've had to interact with MS support on server issues also and the outcome was satisfactory.
how about a NAS?
Cliff Fujii
Veteran Member
No, they won't run under Linux but how about a virtual machine?
I'm not so sure, I would have expected those people to move to the Mac by now. BTW, RAW files on the cloud is a real hassle as it is very slow to upload (unless you have a commercial account that allows upload and download at high speed. I was trying that with OneDrive for a while but I moved the files back to my NAS and run them from there.
Cliff Fujii
Veteran Member
It looks like Apple is not producing a commercial graphics box any more. The Mac Pro has a short slot that won't accept a Quadro K5000 series.
Cliff Fujii
Veteran Member
will you be able to get the fidelity that the Blu-ray offers? I understand that there some compression involved with .mp4.
Sean Nelson
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Blu-ray IS MP4. MP4 is a wrapper for the H.264 video codec, and that's the same codec that's used on Blu-ray discs. It's just a matter of configuring the encoder to use the same (or even greater) quality settings as are used for Blu-ray discs.
M
malch
Guest
I think there are quite a few advantages to the NAS approach and that may be the long term answer.
However, I'm not sure I want to go there yet. There's a significant cost (including UPS, providing power and CAT-6 to a suitable location etc.) and setting one up properly is a non-trivial project in itself.
WIMorrison
Senior Member
Do you have Powerline devices on your side of the water? I have used the TP-Link devices several times to get around wiring issues and have found the performance excellent. They stream video in HD from my NAS (Netgear) with ease to all the rooms which I couldn't cable.
worth having a gander at them.
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