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Why do DPR posters treat cellphone photography like a capital crime?
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crashpc
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Yes, there are many. So much I can´t see over them...
PhotoFactor
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As shown by other posters, your definition is extremely narrow relative to the dictionary definition.
Of course you're correct if you are using the term as you only see it in your own mind.
crashpc
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Cellphone photography is not a capital crime. When the photo is good, it is good!
It´s more like you see very crappy photo, because you cannot recognize main subject in it due to motion blur, camera shake, excessive noise and then sharpening and denoise, and you can guess who took that shot and what device he/she used. It´s about common sense and judgement - What stuff do you want to represent you? If it is this cellphone crap photography, okay, I leave. If you do interesting photography, it doesn´t matter to me what camera you use. And while I see more nice and high quality images with dedicated cameras, I stick with it, because I´m made that way - go for the best you can afford (time, money, weight and size, etc). I am not really happy around "good enaugh for me" people.
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bosjohn21
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what did I miss who got executed? I suspect its not just dpreview but we who spend a lot of money on high end camera equipment have to defend our heavy layout against such things as cell phones lest our heavy investments are for naught. It is at bottom a defensive mechanism. if cell phones were as good as our average dslr in image quality the the need for Dpreview would disappear
Many of the shots I'm talking about are indoor shots taken in difficult conditions. In such conditions the difference between a cell phone and even a dedicated compact is quite enormous. The difference to a well-equipped SLR can be more than 5 stops of light gathering performance. It could be the difference between a 1 second exposure and a 1/60th of a second exposure.
Matt Kolberg
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Indeed, for someone who has the knowledge of the DSLR and the knowledge to buy and use the proper equipment with it including that stabilized body or lens, it's almost a certainty they will get better images. In the hands of one who has no such knowledge the difference may be marginal.
If the limits of a cell camera are understood and it's used for what it does reasonably well, the results an be satisfactory. That means no fast sports, no starry nights, etc.
It been said the camera doesn't matter, and that's true, but only to a point. You need to use the tool appropriate for the job and a cell camera won't suffice for everything, but it does do a reasonable job for some things. For those things, will a DSLR do a better job? In the hands of a knowledgeable user, most likely. In the hands of someone else, most likely the difference will be less.
If the limits of a cell camera are understood and it's used for what it does reasonably well, the results an be satisfactory. That means no fast sports, no starry nights, etc.
It been said the camera doesn't matter, and that's true, but only to a point. You need to use the tool appropriate for the job and a cell camera won't suffice for everything, but it does do a reasonable job for some things. For those things, will a DSLR do a better job? In the hands of a knowledgeable user, most likely. In the hands of someone else, most likely the difference will be less.
This much is obvious. A dedicated camera is much more versatile and much more useful in difficult lighting conditions. This seems to go without saying. Still, I've seen good work done on cell phones. If folks work within the limitations of that particular tool, they're might come up with something good, I think.
It's just a "tool for the job" type thing. A cell phone is nice because you can always have it with you and if you happen to be in a situation which fits within it's limitations, ie: not long distance, low light or extreme contrast it'll be a much better tool than the heavy FF DSLR that you don't have in your pocket at that time.
I keep a pocket compact in the same pocket as my cell phone. If I have one, I have both. The compact is a good factor of 10 better and more versatile. And it's old. A more modern one can be another factor of four or so on top of that.
In your post above you said...
And you use a smartphone, so which level are you?
See the problem with statements like that?
sportyaccordy
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sportyaccordy
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The photos I take, or that are taken with ILCs don't represent me.
I enjoy capturing memories in high visual quality, and geeking out over the intricacies of the operation & optimization of the output of ILCs, as well as the art of post processing. Cameraphones suck a lot of joy out of pretty much every step of that process.
However, if I am out with friends just having a generally good time, I don't want to disrupt the mood with a camera. In that context getting a quick snap with a smartphone seems OK to me. Most folks don't want to outlay the cost of an ILC, nor do they want to lug one around or fiddle with the antiquated workflow of downloading photos to a computer for processing like it is 2002. So while I personally enjoy the hell out of ILC photography I can get why 99.99% of people want nothing to do with it. It's very niche.
If it's got a ton of motion blur in it, it's painful to look at. And most of the ones I receive do.
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This is what old people do with their time when retired.
I can hand my little kids an SLR and they do pretty well (P mode, usually).
He got dozens of good shots that day.
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Lee Jay
I rarely get photos that can't be viewed, and by can't be viewed I mean blurry not just up to DPR standards because if I used those standards I couldn't view any photos.
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