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Nikon announces DL 1" compacts! 4K/30p, EXPEED 6A, OLED, Wi-Fi/NFC, $649/$849/$999!!

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Richard Murdey said:
I'm sure the image quality will be as good as RX100. But as good as Nikon 1. This I doubt. One has to cling to something you know!!
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I haven't really examined the differences between RX100 and Nikon 1 image quality - is it really that much better than the RX100?
 
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Member said:
I'm sure the image quality will be as good as RX100. But as good as Nikon 1. This I doubt. One has to cling to something you know!!
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If the image quality is as good as an RX100, then in many situations that's as good as a Nikon 1.
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It is the situations where it is not that continue to hold my interest.

Though to be honest that is less about image quality as defined by the sensor as it is about lenses and what one is capable of obtaining with them.
 
Two shops here. Just picked up a pristine 43-86mm /f.35 manual Nikon lens for 30 bucks to use on my Fuji. Have a safe trip. Too many used camera shops in Kanto to mention, hehe,
 
DesertCat said:
I actually find this a little depressing. It's like they took the best stuff from Nikon 1 (PDAF, fast shooting speeds, J5 sensor) and updated it with the glass everyone wanted for N1 and a few other bells and whistles (e.g. NFC). That's all fine and good, but what about something for those that bought into Nikon 1? What about a new V-series body? What about comparable glass for N1 that people have been begging for for years?

If this is a separate line that is successful for them while they still support N1 with new bodies and glass, ok fine. If this is them canabilizing the N1 system just to make some new fixed lens camera, I'm not happy at all.
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...with FIXED lens, because each one have the advantages of both the "1" serie, plus excellent new lens ?

C'mon Nikon... maybe newcomers to Nikon world will bite, but I highly doubt any old users of Nikon 1 cameras and lens will buy yet one "new system" !

At least I will not ! I'm extremely disappointed with Nikon new path....

:-(
 
this is way too late for me. Besides, I think I'd miss the extra external controls the Leica 109 carries and which are extremely useful, as one has dedicated dials for SS and aperture in a very simple and useful scheme (aperture on lens, as it should be and SS on a top dial classically positioned).

It also carries a built-in EVF, not of very high quality, but enough when needed. And the sensor is a little larger and of excellent quality. Re AF, if it is like the 1 system, very nice, but the 109's is, for my shooting style, about same (I use single point most of the time).

The one thing I wish I had is a wider end on the lens, this 18-50 looks perfect for my style of shooting.

One just can't have it all. If I didn't have the 109, the 18-50 could be a good option. I can't justify, even to myself, getting one now.

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DesertCat said:
I actually find this a little depressing. It's like they took the best stuff from Nikon 1 (PDAF, fast shooting speeds, J5 sensor) and updated it with the glass everyone wanted for N1 and a few other bells and whistles (e.g. NFC). That's all fine and good, but what about something for those that bought into Nikon 1? What about a new V-series body? What about comparable glass for N1 that people have been begging for for years?

If this is a separate line that is successful for them while they still support N1 with new bodies and glass, ok fine. If this is them canabilizing the N1 system just to make some new fixed lens camera, I'm not happy at all.
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In my opinion this is Nikon replacing the Nikon 1 system and, as much as some may not like it, it probably makes financial sense for Nikon. The 1 line never really sold well and, in recent months, has become the sort of "in-betweener" where 1 inch sensor cameras are popping up left and right and smaller and better larger sensor cameras are becoming cheaper. I think its a good move by Nikon.
 
DesertCat said:
I actually find this a little depressing. It's like they took the best stuff from Nikon 1 (PDAF, fast shooting speeds, J5 sensor) and updated it with the glass everyone wanted for N1 and a few other bells and whistles (e.g. NFC). That's all fine and good, but what about something for those that bought into Nikon 1? What about a new V-series body? What about comparable glass for N1 that people have been begging for for years?

If this is a separate line that is successful for them while they still support N1 with new bodies and glass, ok fine. If this is them canabilizing the N1 system just to make some new fixed lens camera, I'm not happy at all.
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Users of N1 have been asking, begging, for ages, for fast zooms. They never released one, the main reason I have left N1 behind (my V1 is now in my camera museum) and moved on. Now they put them on compacts?

Nikon is not a trusty company when they leave their traditional F-mount, that's the truth.
 
Richard Murdey said:
It's a precise list of everything people wanted, from the EV comp dial and standard hot shoe to f/1.8 and 4K video. Can't say they didn't listen. If you liked the LX100 you'll love these cameras.
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I don't think so. The LX100 (Leica 109) has an incredible system of dedicated dials, this one is like the N1 series, my original complaint about the V1. Just the exp comp is there, but the LX100 has dedicated SS and aperture dials, that work incredibly well, including smooth transition to all exposure modes w/o any extra effort.

The LX100 also carries a built-in EVF, so another advantage. And the sensor is larger. Only advantage of Nikon is the wide angle option, but at a cost up (which depends on shooting style), maybe AF, but then, again, it depends if one shoots action (not relevant for WA to Normal FL users).

So, from a L109 user, no, sorry, this is not in the same league in terms of ergonomics.
 
rhlpetrus said:
DesertCat said:
I actually find this a little depressing. It's like they took the best stuff from Nikon 1 (PDAF, fast shooting speeds, J5 sensor) and updated it with the glass everyone wanted for N1 and a few other bells and whistles (e.g. NFC). That's all fine and good, but what about something for those that bought into Nikon 1? What about a new V-series body? What about comparable glass for N1 that people have been begging for for years?

If this is a separate line that is successful for them while they still support N1 with new bodies and glass, ok fine. If this is them canabilizing the N1 system just to make some new fixed lens camera, I'm not happy at all.
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Users of N1 have been asking, begging, for ages, for fast zooms. They never released one, the main reason I have left N1 behind (my V1 is now in my camera museum) and moved on. Now they put them on compacts?

Nikon is not a trusty company when they leave their traditional F-mount, that's the truth.
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100 % agree ! IMO, Nikon is shooting itself in the foot ! ...at least with the Nikon users !

...but.... only time will tell !

:-(
 
Archiver said:
Can we assume that the sensor performance and image quality will at least be the equal of the 1 series cameras? The DL series could seriously cannibalize 1 series sales, obviously. I've been playing with the idea of picking up a cheap 1 series, but the DL 18-50 scraps that idea entirely.

On the other hand, the features of the DL series could herald the improvements of an upcoming 1 body.
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Almost exactly not what I want.

Of the three models, if they would put the DL24-85 lens on the DL24-500 body and cut back on the grip some it would be closer to my wants. Guess I will be taking another look at the LX100.
 
Even I just "invested" in the Nikon 1 system for about a year: J4, 10-100mm, V2, 10-30mm, FT-1 (for a total about $900), I am willing to trade them all (for at least $600, depending on how I offer them as a package or individually) for the DL18-50mm if it offers the kind of J5 sensor quality and 6.7-13mm + 18.5mm IQ. I would not really regret having the Nikon 1 system, even for just a short while.

Given that there seem to be plenty 3rd party sellers for the Nikon 1 system (bodies and lenses), even Nikon discontinued that system, it will have many years of life remaining, especially for hobbyists to experiment (cheaply) - for example, using a V? body with FT-1+DSLR tele lenses.

A few years ago, when Nikon rolled out the 1 system, it highly touted its state of the art plant in China where ALL Nikon 1 bodies and lenses are made. If somebody could get the intel on that plant if Nikon had stopped producing the Nikon system and instead converted to the DLs production, then it surely would prove Nikon would no longer produce the separate Nikon 1 bodies and lenses.
 
rhlpetrus said:
Richard Murdey said:
It's a precise list of everything people wanted, from the EV comp dial and standard hot shoe to f/1.8 and 4K video. Can't say they didn't listen. If you liked the LX100 you'll love these cameras.
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So, from a L109 user, no, sorry, this is not in the same league in terms of ergonomics.
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I stand corrected. If you liked the LX100 then maybe you wont like the DL cameras. Oh well, too bad, Nikon!
 
Vlasty said:
Personally I think this is the nail in the coffin for the 1.
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I believe this is correct. Sigh.... I so feared this.

Mike
 
JP Scherrer said:
C'mon Nikon... maybe newcomers to Nikon world will bite, but I highly doubt any old users of Nikon 1 cameras and lens will buy yet one "new system" !
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That sounds remarkably deja vu to the Four Thirds fallout. The discontinuation of the Four Thirds system may have hindered but did not prevent the success of Micro Four Thirds.
 
Hopefully, the 24-85mm lens is free of the compromises that Canon, for example, went for in their G7X lens. If that is indeed the case, the we may have something really good here.
 
Richard Murdey said:
Raist3d said:
Richard Murdey said:
I'm sure the image quality will be as good as RX100. But as good as Nikon 1. This I doubt. One has to cling to something you know!!
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If the image quality is as good as an RX100, then in many situations that's as good as a Nikon 1.
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It is the situations where it is not that continue to hold my interest.
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Richard Murdey said:
Though to be honest that is less about image quality as defined by the sensor as it is about lenses and what one is capable of obtaining with them.
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Well it wouldn't surprise me one bit of these lenses matched the zooms we see on the Nikon 1 Until we get to an f1.2 32mm or f1.8 18.5mm Notice these zooms are reasonably fast unlike the Nikon 1's which are pretty low That opens room for image quality also
 
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