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I'm looking into buying the F717 and while scouring ebay to check out some deals I came across this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2943372200&category=30017

Anyway, I called that number and asked about the accessories, if they were gray market or incompatible or something. The guy said that all the parts were U.S. made with warranties and if anything was incompatible it would be replaced for free. So why should I not buy from this guy? I know the lenses and stuff will probably not be the greatest, but then again I don't need the greatest. A mid-range zoom lens would probably be plenty for me. I figure the tripods and memory sticks and carrying case alone would probably make it worth it since the camera alone is $735 at the store. What's an extra 300?

So again, what is the scam? How would he be able to sell that stuff for that price?
 
All the accessories are basically garbage (except for the MS and the quoted value is vastly overstated). You can get the 717 for a lot less and use the $ to buy accessories that you can actually use.

Harry

http://www.pbase.com/hpb
 
I'm looking into buying the F717 and while scouring ebay to check
out some deals I came across this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2943372200&category=30017

Anyway, I called that number and asked about the accessories, if
they were gray market or incompatible or something. The guy said
that all the parts were U.S. made with warranties and if anything
was incompatible it would be replaced for free. So why should I
not buy from this guy? I know the lenses and stuff will probably
not be the greatest, but then again I don't need the greatest. A
mid-range zoom lens would probably be plenty for me. I figure the
tripods and memory sticks and carrying case alone would probably
make it worth it
NO IT WON'T. The prices quoted are all inflated beyond belief. 128MB memory sticks don't cost $149 each!! $299 for three filters of the cheapest variety (laminated glass) !!!!!!!! Give me a break. Same applies to all the rest.

Even if the fair market values of this stuff added up to $300, you would be the proud owner of stuff that you would probably never have any pleasure using (such as those "Titanium Bonded" Lenses).

I'd advise doing some serious homework on each of these items, especially the lenses, before you fall for this.

Phil
since the camera alone is $735 at the store.
What's an extra 300?

So again, what is the scam? How would he be able to sell that
stuff for that price?
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Phil
 
As stated above the prices for the accesories are inflated. I did a quick addition and came up with a rough value of the package 1100 ... although I made alot of assumptions of quality.

The other thing is ... I would always check resellerratings.com before buying mail order. You'd be surprised how bad some places are. Couldn't find Sunshine Electronics though.

If I were you I would buy the 717 (if you're decided on this camera) and see what accesories you need as time goes by. Look around and find 1-2 128MB sticks for ~$40 each.

Geoff
I'm looking into buying the F717 and while scouring ebay to check
out some deals I came across this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2943372200&category=30017

Anyway, I called that number and asked about the accessories, if
they were gray market or incompatible or something. The guy said
that all the parts were U.S. made with warranties and if anything
was incompatible it would be replaced for free. So why should I
not buy from this guy? I know the lenses and stuff will probably
not be the greatest, but then again I don't need the greatest. A
mid-range zoom lens would probably be plenty for me. I figure the
tripods and memory sticks and carrying case alone would probably
make it worth it since the camera alone is $735 at the store.
What's an extra 300?

So again, what is the scam? How would he be able to sell that
stuff for that price?
--
http://www.pbase.com/geoffb
 
I'm looking into buying the F717 and while scouring ebay to check
out some deals I came across this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2943372200&category=30017

Anyway, I called that number and asked about the accessories, if
they were gray market or incompatible or something. The guy said
that all the parts were U.S. made with warranties and if anything
was incompatible it would be replaced for free. So why should I
not buy from this guy? I know the lenses and stuff will probably
not be the greatest, but then again I don't need the greatest. A
mid-range zoom lens would probably be plenty for me. I figure the
tripods and memory sticks and carrying case alone would probably
make it worth it since the camera alone is $735 at the store.
What's an extra 300?

So again, what is the scam? How would he be able to sell that
stuff for that price?
--

Like the others have said the accessories are crappy and the camera is over priced.

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
 
I love how it doesn't even mention which brand/model the "high grade" converters are.

And retail value of a 128meg stick is $150?! HA! Maybe when I bought my first one almost two years ago. What do they go for new now? $39 from Amazon when on sale?

Oh, but you do get a worthless hard case that retails for $300. Who'd buy that?

And I also love the heavy-duty no-name tripod. Bet that's a real winner.
I'm looking into buying the F717 and while scouring ebay to check
out some deals I came across this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2943372200&category=30017

Anyway, I called that number and asked about the accessories, if
they were gray market or incompatible or something. The guy said
that all the parts were U.S. made with warranties and if anything
was incompatible it would be replaced for free. So why should I
not buy from this guy? I know the lenses and stuff will probably
not be the greatest, but then again I don't need the greatest. A
mid-range zoom lens would probably be plenty for me. I figure the
tripods and memory sticks and carrying case alone would probably
make it worth it since the camera alone is $735 at the store.
What's an extra 300?

So again, what is the scam? How would he be able to sell that
stuff for that price?
--
Jim Fuglestad

Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase. -Percy W. Harris
Our existence is determined by the truths we tell.
Why simply live and let live? Live and help live.
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
 
And retail value of a 128meg stick is $150?! HA! Maybe when I
bought my first one almost two years ago. What do they go for new
now? $39 from Amazon when on sale?

Oh, but you do get a worthless hard case that retails for $300.
Who'd buy that?

And I also love the heavy-duty no-name tripod. Bet that's a real
winner.
I'm looking into buying the F717 and while scouring ebay to check
out some deals I came across this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2943372200&category=30017

Anyway, I called that number and asked about the accessories, if
they were gray market or incompatible or something. The guy said
that all the parts were U.S. made with warranties and if anything
was incompatible it would be replaced for free. So why should I
not buy from this guy? I know the lenses and stuff will probably
not be the greatest, but then again I don't need the greatest. A
mid-range zoom lens would probably be plenty for me. I figure the
tripods and memory sticks and carrying case alone would probably
make it worth it since the camera alone is $735 at the store.
What's an extra 300?

So again, what is the scam? How would he be able to sell that
stuff for that price?
--
Jim Fuglestad
Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase.
-Percy W. Harris
Our existence is determined by the truths we tell.
Why simply live and let live? Live and help live.
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
--
How many people hop all over this deal!

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
 
Did you see some of the retail prices on those accs. They are pure
Kr/\p not worth a 10th of what they are priced at.

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Mark

http://adigitalfreak.deviantart.com/thumbnails/

S O N Y DSC-F717, Olympus B-300, S a n d i s k 512 MS Pro, Slik
tripod(qr)
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The camera is OVERPRICED and the accessories are not worth the gas out of a dogs butt!

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
 
For the camera, ONLY the camera, try inoax.com. I just bought a f717 for $670 and that was with 3 day shipping. They're in NY, so I crossed my fingers that they weren't yet another of the "crooks in Brooklyn", but everything turned out ok. US warranty, factory sealed, all items accounted for, was NOT one of the serial numbers in the recall and seems to be in fine working order. I had checked resellerratings.com and the few reviews there were positive. They (inoax) were, however, quite pushy.....maybe hostile would be a better word.....about purchasing accessories, extended warranty, shipping insurance..... And it was the same routine as the "crooks of Brooklyn": orders placed over the internet are not final until you've received an email or phone call to "confirm" your order. Or rather, they're opportunity to push junk. I just called to place the order and get the ball rolling faster. Good luck. Definitely take the advice of a prior response and check any merchant at resellerratings.com.
Thanks for the great info. When something looks too good to be
true...
 
Stay awya from ebay right now, is my advice. Run some price checks at the camera dealers that support this site. If their prices are too high for you, run a CNET or Bizrate (or one of the other) price comparisons... but be carful and don't just go with the place with the lowest price!! Pay attention to the user ratings. Trying to save $50 can sometimes be a big mistake. (The online camera places that have the lowest camera prices often more than make it for this by charging exorbitant prices for way overpriced and/or no-name junk accessories!)

The 717 comes with all sorts of neat stuff to keep you busy for quite q while, IMHO. The only thing you really need right away are:

1. A larger capacity memory stick (prices are going down; after rebate i paid about $60 for a 256MB stick recently.)

2. a decent cleaning kit (or buy the pieces seperately: a good cloth or two, lens blower & brush, lens cleaning fluid or a lens "pen.")

3. and if you're planning on going out, you might need case (depends on your needs & preferences)(Sony has a case & battery combo you might be able to get for 20% off...see below)

4. maybe a lens hood. a 58mm fold back rubber type for around $10 is my personal choice.

5. maybe a UV filter (get a brand name, not junk!)(to protect the lens as much as anything. Also, if you're in a very sunny or high altitude area, consider getting a decent circular polarizing filter. The 717 takes 58mm threaded filters.

Then take you time comparing other accessories such as:

6. a tripod (but you could wait on this for a bit) (but buy a brand name one from a good camera place (online is fine, just deal with a reputable one.)
7. A Sony remote corded control (list $49 on Sony's site)

Much llater: Tele and wide angle, or macro adapters: I really think it's better to wait on these and really get to know and use the camera as-is for a few months first. It come with a great lens that will keep you more than busy for quite a while (or should, anyway.) Then after a while, if you want to do more serious macro or whatever, you'll have a much better idea of what you need and want, and you can search this forum and find some great suggestions as to what other people with 717's use (and you will end up with quality glass at a good price! Most of the ebay stuff is overhyped junk (nothing you want to put in front of a great Zeiss lens!!) Most people here are into quality lenses and filters but appreciate good value, too. (Tip: Sony has some black colored tele and a wide angle lenses that list for something like $399 each! Don't ge them, even for $299 each! Sony has newer versions with a "D" in the number (as I recall) that cost considerable less, are top quality, and weight less, too. I learned that on this forum (along with many other great tips.)

Also, especially if you are going on a vacation, you might want an extra battery. They are available at less than full list price from many good places. Sony has one leather-looking case and battery combo that I happen to like, but it personal taste and how heavy or light you like to go.

A seperate flash unit, is something else you might want later, too. But again, take your time and listen to the folks here.

Another thing... When you register your 717 online at sony website, you will be entitled to purchase "selected" Sony accessories for 20 % off (which makes the price about right.) But don't register the camera or fill out any cards until you've checked out the camera thoroughly and know it is a keeper.

Here is the link to Sony's online regitration page:
https://www.onlineregister.com/sony/indexl.html

And if you go to Sonystyle USA site, and follow the trail to the F717, you can see all the official Sony accessories available (some, like the remote control, make sense getting from sony. Their $199 flash is a bit too pricey for me, as is some of their other stuff. Most forum members say not to get one of the Sony remote control tripods... just get a regular tripod and buy the remote control.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/Default-Start ;sid=86mhr0RQyHehkXt5HkCrpAteXK25S2y5ghk=

B&h carries many 58mm filters and accessories, but the place that i think has the best selection of quality filters & stuff (rubber lens shades, too) at good prices is:
http://www.photofilter.net

Hope that helps.
Good luck and enjoy your new 717... they are great quality cameras!!
 
Thanks for the great info. When something looks too good to be
true...
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with a reputable dealer and then buy the accessories as you need them. Good accessory lenses are not cheap and you want the best on your 717 lens

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
 
First time posting, thorough description, now we're all aware of this item for sale on eBay... hmmm....
I'm looking into buying the F717 and while scouring ebay to check
out some deals I came across this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2943372200&category=30017

Anyway, I called that number and asked about the accessories, if
they were gray market or incompatible or something. The guy said
that all the parts were U.S. made with warranties and if anything
was incompatible it would be replaced for free. So why should I
not buy from this guy? I know the lenses and stuff will probably
not be the greatest, but then again I don't need the greatest. A
mid-range zoom lens would probably be plenty for me. I figure the
tripods and memory sticks and carrying case alone would probably
make it worth it since the camera alone is $735 at the store.
What's an extra 300?

So again, what is the scam? How would he be able to sell that
stuff for that price?
--
JohnK
 

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