D750 noisier than D800?

Shooting at base ISO 100 and exposing for highlights, it's well known that the D800 has a dynamic range that lets to get detail from shadows when developing the RAW file, with almost no noise.
Trying to do the same thing with the D750, I've found that it seems to have more noise than the D800.
Any one has any experience about this?
Thanks.
These are lab measurements D750 vs D800:

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"Screen" tab means you are enlarging the D800 more than the D750. Select the "Print" tab and there is essentially no difference between them.

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I am not enlarge anything. This is the real difference between these two sensors. The print is a great equalizer that successfully masks the differences.
 
Shooting at base ISO 100 and exposing for highlights, it's well known that the D800 has a dynamic range that lets to get detail from shadows when developing the RAW file, with almost no noise.
Trying to do the same thing with the D750, I've found that it seems to have more noise than the D800.
Any one has any experience about this?
Thanks.
These are lab measurements D750 vs D800:

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"Screen" tab means you are enlarging the D800 more than the D750. Select the "Print" tab and there is essentially no difference between them.
I am not enlarge anything.
Everything gets printed at some size. To put it in perspective, at 300 dpi you would be viewing the D750 file at 20x13 inches at say 10 inches viewing distance compared to a D800 file viewed at the same viewing distance that's 24x16 inches in size. Viewing on your monitor at 100% you are looking at the print equivalent of 5 feet across.
This is the real difference between these two sensors.
No, it's the difference between the pixels. It says a lot to me that you confuse pixels with sensors.
The print is a great equalizer that successfully masks the differences.
Put another way, printing or viewing on the web equalizes the differences between these cameras, which is why in practice there is no difference between them.

One thing you don't get is that resolution is also part of the equation. When there is more resolution the file can take more NR and still show the same amount of detail, and that's in addition to sizing both files to match output.

Here is ISO 6400 from DPR's studio comparison:

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One is from the D750 at 100% and the other is from the D800 sized to match the D750's output. Anyone that gets worked up about the differences between these needs to get a life.

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Shooting at base ISO 100 and exposing for highlights, it's well known that the D800 has a dynamic range that lets to get detail from shadows when developing the RAW file, with almost no noise.
Trying to do the same thing with the D750, I've found that it seems to have more noise than the D800.
Any one has any experience about this?
Thanks.
These are lab measurements D750 vs D800:

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"Screen" tab means you are enlarging the D800 more than the D750. Select the "Print" tab and there is essentially no difference between them.
I am not enlarge anything.
Everything gets printed at some size. To put it in perspective, at 300 dpi you would be viewing the D750 file at 20x13 inches at say 10 inches viewing distance compared to a D800 file viewed at the same viewing distance that's 24x16 inches in size. Viewing on your monitor at 100% you are looking at the print equivalent of 5 feet across.
This is the real difference between these two sensors.
No, it's the difference between the pixels. It says a lot to me that you confuse pixels with sensors.
The print is a great equalizer that successfully masks the differences.
Put another way, printing or viewing on the web equalizes the differences between these cameras, which is why in practice there is no difference between them.

One thing you don't get is that resolution is also part of the equation. When there is more resolution the file can take more NR and still show the same amount of detail, and that's in addition to sizing both files to match output.

Here is ISO 6400 from DPR's studio comparison:

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One is from the D750 at 100% and the other is from the D800 sized to match the D750's output. Anyone that gets worked up about the differences between these needs to get a life.

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DPR Studio Comparison:



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Shooting at base ISO 100 and exposing for highlights, it's well known that the D800 has a dynamic range that lets to get detail from shadows when developing the RAW file, with almost no noise.
Trying to do the same thing with the D750, I've found that it seems to have more noise than the D800.
Any one has any experience about this?
Thanks.
These are lab measurements D750 vs D800:

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"Screen" tab means you are enlarging the D800 more than the D750. Select the "Print" tab and there is essentially no difference between them.
I am not enlarge anything.
Everything gets printed at some size. To put it in perspective, at 300 dpi you would be viewing the D750 file at 20x13 inches at say 10 inches viewing distance compared to a D800 file viewed at the same viewing distance that's 24x16 inches in size. Viewing on your monitor at 100% you are looking at the print equivalent of 5 feet across.
This is the real difference between these two sensors.
No, it's the difference between the pixels. It says a lot to me that you confuse pixels with sensors.
The print is a great equalizer that successfully masks the differences.
Put another way, printing or viewing on the web equalizes the differences between these cameras, which is why in practice there is no difference between them.

One thing you don't get is that resolution is also part of the equation. When there is more resolution the file can take more NR and still show the same amount of detail, and that's in addition to sizing both files to match output.

Here is ISO 6400 from DPR's studio comparison:

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One is from the D750 at 100% and the other is from the D800 sized to match the D750's output. Anyone that gets worked up about the differences between these needs to get a life.
DPR Studio Comparison:

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Like I said, I got my comparison from those same files. The difference? I downloaded the Raw files, opened them in NX-D, applied different amounts of NR to each file that equalized both the noise and the detail -- voila, no difference. If you just want to accept the Raw converters' defaults without even trying, well then stick with the D750, but don't delude yourself into thinking you have the camera that does better at high ISOs because it doesn't (at least at ISO 6400).

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First of all, I don't believe the D800 would be better, second, its a five stop push from black, of course it will show noise at 100%. ANd its a very fine, clean tight noise too. So would the D800.

Why look at 100% would you view a Van Gogh with your nose 2" from the canvas?
 
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"Applied different amounts of NR"...You've said that. You have to work more to get similar results. It's no issue with a couple of images, but try to do it with a couple of hundreds shots in different situations...
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In my mind - PP everyone single image, you want to be "keepers" is a part of photography - it's not a matter of making similar results - but good results.

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If you need ISO higher than 6400 regularly then use the D750, if you use ISO below 6400 you can benefit from the D810's higher resolution (watch out for aliasing/moire, though).


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Have you seen the noisy 100% crop shown immediately after this two images in the same review?
I know this is fantastic given the 5 stops push, but what I'm saying is the D800 gets a better quality in the same situation.
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Hmm...

I'm not sure. Just tried with my D800 - took a very underexposed image (5 stops) at ISO 100 - and lifted it 5 stops - only using the exposure slider in ViewNX-i.

Look at it at 100% - and you'll see a lot of noise - most I think - color noise:



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BirgerH.
 
Shooting at base ISO 100 and exposing for highlights, it's well known that the D800 has a dynamic range that lets to get detail from shadows when developing the RAW file, with almost no noise.
Trying to do the same thing with the D750, I've found that it seems to have more noise than the D800.
Any one has any experience about this?
Thanks.
These are lab measurements D750 vs D800:

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"Screen" tab means you are enlarging the D800 more than the D750. Select the "Print" tab and there is essentially no difference between them.

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http://imageevent.com/tonybeach/twelveimages
It should have looked something like this



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"Applied different amounts of NR"...You've said that.
Yes.
You have to work more to get similar results.
No. The work was making the results between the two cameras similar, in that regard I worked as much with the D750 file as I did with the D800 file.
It's no issue with a couple of images, but try to do it with a couple of hundreds shots in different situations...
It's merely a matter of workflow, set up the way you want the files to come out of the Raw converter (or your camera for that matter) and repeat that. The point is you treat each camera's files differently and don't assume the same approach with every camera you use. Same has been true from the very beginning of DSLRs (and photography for that matter) and that will continue to be true. The D800 files are no harder to work with than the D750 files.
 
This is another often cited and wrong argument, that pixel size determines high ISO performance.
True for instance the A7rII is better at high ISO's then the D750 while it has 42mp.

Technology and size have the largest impact on high iso capability. That being said the D810 has a traditional FSI cmos sensor. So with more pixels there is a bit more wiring in front of the photocells.

It's not as good as the D750 in that regard But differences are indeed small to insignificant.
Like I said, if Nikon reuses what is a very good 36 MP sensor in a D750 update there will be a lot of moans from some people.
Let's hope they will use newer more advanced sensors like the one found in the A7rII.

There is no rush the D750 isn't challenged by anything on the Canon side. Only the Pentax K1 looks like a solid alternative at that price-point. But with the limited eco-system currently i doubt Nikon fears that one.
 
Shooting at base ISO 100 and exposing for highlights, it's well known that the D800 has a dynamic range that lets to get detail from shadows when developing the RAW file, with almost no noise.
Trying to do the same thing with the D750, I've found that it seems to have more noise than the D800.
Any one has any experience about this?
Thanks.
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No. The other way around. My D800E has more noise than my D750. At first I was quite surprised by the grainy blue skies I got at even moderately high iso with the D800E, anything over 1200 or 1600 iso. But that's how it is, with my copies at least. The D750 outstrips the D800E easily in noise control.

In general, I prefer the D750, for all the reasons you've heard from others many times, so I won't repeat them. The D750 is, plain and simple, a great camera. It is so far my favorite camera of all time.
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If you like DXO graphs then better look at these, they tell more about the whole picture (pun intended).

This is an animated GIF, so you need to click on it!

Full Signal-to-Noise Ratio, from full black (right) to full white (left) in dB, ISO 100 to 12800.
Full Signal-to-Noise Ratio, from full black (right) to full white (left) in dB, ISO 100 to 12800.

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Shooting at base ISO 100 and exposing for highlights, it's well known that the D800 has a dynamic range that lets to get detail from shadows when developing the RAW file, with almost no noise.
Trying to do the same thing with the D750, I've found that it seems to have more noise than the D800.
Any one has any experience about this?


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Shooting at base ISO 100 and exposing for highlights, it's well known that the D800 has a dynamic range that lets to get detail from shadows when developing the RAW file, with almost no noise.
Trying to do the same thing with the D750, I've found that it seems to have more noise than the D800.
Any one has any experience about this?
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That is PRINT graph. The print is a great equalizer that successfully masks the differences:



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