Are You Ready for the G Master Camera Body?

When MILC technology has developed to the point where it can replace some of the clockwork and optical technology of the DSLR without performance detriment it will. When the DSLR no longer needs a mirror it will have become a MILC but with the bigger battery, better ergonomics, etc. of the DSLR.
I'm just not seeing how or why on all levels. OK, I can see a MILC replacing something like a D3300, and in the process losing the viewfinder entirely. But for any kind of prosumer four figure body, these MILCs will need viewfinders and they will have to be really good. No more of this low res 8 bit JPEG preview BS- to get people to leave their D810s and 5DSs they will need that new 4MP Epson viewfinder and full time 14 bit RAW preview at a high frame rate. That's going to take MORE baseline processing power, hogging MORE of the already overtaxed batteries, making the battery life gulf even BIGGER.

Meanwhile I think there is still a lot of life left in the OVF. There are translucent LED screens, no reason for higher res overlays to not be feasible, and still consume less energy (since they won't require continuous reading of the sensor or anywhere near as much power for backlighting).

No... based on tech trends and little things like energy conservation and thermodynamics, again, MILCs will be an alternate choice to DSLRs for the most part, not a full on replacement. If you take away the size advantage, which Sony and Fuji have demonstrated clearly doesn't exist on the lens side for the most part, and the viewfinder isn't giving you a live high bit depth RAW view, what exactly is there to pull someone away from DSLRs if that is their preference?
As it happens this is already a development in progress in Sony's A-mount, where the DSLR has been replaced by the hybrid SLT.

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Chris Malcolm
A mount is knocking on heaven's door and the whole SLT concept was a failure.
 
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When MILC technology has developed to the point where it can replace some of the clockwork and optical technology of the DSLR without performance detriment it will.
It's a gradual change, and we're smack in the middle of it.

I see history repeating itself. When digital was introduced, the consumers and prosumers were the first to embrace the technology in the late 90s. Sensors and digital cameras matured, and eventually, even die hard film SLR shooters caved in. Was it because DSLRs of early 2000s were better than film cameras in every single respect? No, no, no heck no. It was simply because there was enough benefits with going digital. If you were one of those needing the absolutely best resolution and dynamic range, you'd still hold on to film for a few more years, but that did certainly not stop the general movement over to digital.
 
When MILC technology has developed to the point where it can replace some of the clockwork and optical technology of the DSLR without performance detriment it will. When the DSLR no longer needs a mirror it will have become a MILC but with the bigger battery, better ergonomics, etc. of the DSLR.
I'm just not seeing how or why on all levels. OK, I can see a MILC replacing something like a D3300, and in the process losing the viewfinder entirely. But for any kind of prosumer four figure body, these MILCs will need viewfinders and they will have to be really good. No more of this low res 8 bit JPEG preview BS- to get people to leave their D810s and 5DSs they will need that new 4MP Epson viewfinder and full time 14 bit RAW preview at a high frame rate.
Ok, those may be the necessary technological developments.
That's going to take MORE baseline processing power, hogging MORE of the already overtaxed batteries, making the battery life gulf even BIGGER.
Meanwhile more processing power is always getting less power hungry as Moore's Law continues its progress. Plus the current generation of Sony DSLR/SLT batteries is now rather old and low in capacity. It won't be difficult to issue a higher capacity version. Plus it won't be difficult to increase the physical size of the battery. These are not problematic technical hurdles.
Meanwhile I think there is still a lot of life left in the OVF. There are translucent LED screens, no reason for higher res overlays to not be feasible, and still consume less energy (since they won't require continuous reading of the sensor or anywhere near as much power for backlighting).
You can't have image magnification in the viewfinder without EVF. That's a really good way of checking AF accuracy very quickly, and of doing really accurate manual focusing easily and quickly. That alone is a reason I'll never go back to OVF. As you point out, it's just going to take some improved EVF technology to make it a clear winner over OVF.
No... based on tech trends and little things like energy conservation and thermodynamics, again, MILCs will be an alternate choice to DSLRs for the most part, not a full on replacement.
I disagree, and am happy to argue the tech trends, energy conservation, and thermodynamics issues with you.
If you take away the size advantage, which Sony and Fuji have demonstrated clearly doesn't exist on the lens side for the most part, and the viewfinder isn't giving you a live high bit depth RAW view,
It isn't doing that today -- if doing that proves necessary then future technology development will provide it.
what exactly is there to pull someone away from DSLRs if that is their preference?
There never will be, just as there are still people shooting film because "digital can never equal the special quality of film". But just as the die-hard film enthusiasts didn't stop most of the camera industry from moving to digital, so the die-hard OVF enthusiasts won't stop most of the camera industry giving up OVF when EVF features surpass it in the eyes of most consumers.
As it happens this is already a development in progress in Sony's A-mount, where the DSLR has been replaced by the hybrid SLT.

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Chris Malcolm
A mount is knocking on heaven's door and the whole SLT concept was a failure.
Coudn't disagree more. The SLT concept is a useful hybrid which probably still has one or possibly two generations of development to come before it morphs into the MILC category by dropping the mirror while retaining the superior ergonomics and body size of the DSLR. Some of the extra space released by the absent mirror will be taken up by new technology, new features which neither DSLR nor MILC have at the moment. Even if the A99ii (or whatever it gets called when it arrives) is no longer an SLT, it will still either be A-mount or a backwards compatible A-mount extension.
 
Ready? Yes
Interested? Not really

I'd imagine the "pro-body" A9 would pack the following......
#1 Better AF performance with close to 10fps burst shooting.
#2 Bigger body to accomodate weather-sealing and bigger batteries.
#3 Dual SD cards?
#4 Touchscreen?
#5 AF point selection joystick, much needed.
I do not need #1
I do not want #2
I do not need #3
Slightly intrigued with #4
 
If they would really do a body called G Master, or a line of camera boies called like that, I want that it reflects it's name. G Masta' line with bling - bling, gold.

Instead of camera strap you would be given a massive gold chain :D
 
Ready? Yes
Interested? Not really

I'd imagine the "pro-body" A9 would pack the following......
#1 Better AF performance with close to 10fps burst shooting.
#2 Bigger body to accomodate weather-sealing and bigger batteries.
#3 Dual SD cards?
#4 Touchscreen?

I do not need #1
I do not want #2
I do not need #3
Slightly intrigued with #4
Same here, except I've had #4 and I stopped using it. I can easily live without it.
 
I have argued that a 300 / 4.0 is not hard to build and design or for a 100-300 / 4.0 which is a more expensive and heavy weight lens. OK a 75-300 consumer lens would do well especially with the APS-C cameras but there are good ones from Sigma and Tamron in A mount and if they decide to go E mount then there may not be a lot of money in it for Sony.

Thinking a little bit different for starters how about a 350 / 4.5 ? In FF and APS mode it would cover what most Japanese companies do with at least two lenses. And if you all ready have a 70-200 zoom then you don't need to buy something like the 70-400 although it would be wise to add such a lens in the next few years.
A 350mm f/4.5 sound good: not so heavy, not so expensive.
The E mount lacks an important lens: a big tele like a 300mm f/2.8 or 500mm f/4 .
I'd much prefer a lens like the Nikon 200-500. 5.6. I'm not interested in the gigundo prime telephoto lenses. They suck up all the lens production "bandwidth" for years and years too. I remember when Canon went through this type of period. No thanks.

Dream lenses:
Sony 200-500 5.6 FE
Zeis Batis 135 2.0 FE
Voigtlander 10 5.6 (this one is at least a reality)

The rest is gravy. Maybe in a few years I'll pick up a walk around 24-70 2.8 used or gray market to work in a few events.
I agree that a 200-500mm f/5.6 make more senses for me but I think if Sony offer a +$4000 camera body all important focal lenghts should be covered, and that includes big primes.
 
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Ready? Yes
Interested? Not really

I'd imagine the "pro-body" A9 would pack the following......
#1 Better AF performance with close to 10fps burst shooting.
#2 Bigger body to accomodate weather-sealing and bigger batteries.
#3 Dual SD cards?
#4 Touchscreen?
#5 AF point selection joystick, much needed.
I do not need #1
I do not want #2
I do not need #3
Slightly intrigued with #4
Yes to #5 .. Please..
 
When MILC technology has developed to the point where it can replace some of the clockwork and optical technology of the DSLR without performance detriment it will. When the DSLR no longer needs a mirror it will have become a MILC but with the bigger battery, better ergonomics, etc. of the DSLR.
I'm just not seeing how or why on all levels. OK, I can see a MILC replacing something like a D3300, and in the process losing the viewfinder entirely. But for any kind of prosumer four figure body, these MILCs will need viewfinders and they will have to be really good. No more of this low res 8 bit JPEG preview BS- to get people to leave their D810s and 5DSs they will need that new 4MP Epson viewfinder and full time 14 bit RAW preview at a high frame rate.
Ok, those may be the necessary technological developments.
That's going to take MORE baseline processing power, hogging MORE of the already overtaxed batteries, making the battery life gulf even BIGGER.
Meanwhile more processing power is always getting less power hungry as Moore's Law continues its progress. Plus the current generation of Sony DSLR/SLT batteries is now rather old and low in capacity. It won't be difficult to issue a higher capacity version. Plus it won't be difficult to increase the physical size of the battery. These are not problematic technical hurdles.
The processing power for what would essentially be a sensor & 2 1080p video cards running at a high frame rate will always be a lot higher than zero (the energy consumed by a pentaprism). Not to mention Moore's Law has been slowing down for years, and no matter what computation still requires power.

All this can be circumvented with a bigger battery but then if that battery is so big it makes the MILC just as big and heavy or bigger and heavier than a comparable DSLR what's the point?
You can't have image magnification in the viewfinder without EVF. That's a really good way of checking AF accuracy very quickly, and of doing really accurate manual focusing easily and quickly. That alone is a reason I'll never go back to OVF. As you point out, it's just going to take some improved EVF technology to make it a clear winner over OVF.
A good AF system won't engender such insecurity. I turned off auto photo review. If I am getting snapshots I know how to set up the camera to get exposure close enough, and in any case often times the moment comes and goes so there is no time for tweaking. If I am doing landscapes I just bracket and combine later. I would hope a $6000+ camera would have no issues nailing focus- particularly an MILC with none of the parallax issues of SLRs- and someone buying such a camera would be skilled and confident enough to configure and utilize that camera's autofocus. When you are shooting something like sports or wildlife (which this kind of camera would be used for) there is no time for AF checking or MF.

The photog who took this would probably be dead if he had been fiddling with MF or confirming his AF

The photog who took this would probably be dead if he had been fiddling with MF or confirming his AF
I disagree, and am happy to argue the tech trends, energy conservation, and thermodynamics issues with you.
You don't seem to have a grasp of how cameras in this realm are used... just on a basic level I'm not sure we can have much of a productive discussion.
It isn't doing that today -- if doing that proves necessary then future technology development will provide it.
Your hopes and dreams are not a guarantee that the technology is feasible to develop and implement in a realistic way in a camera. The lenses are lenses- the GM glass shows MILC pretty much has no advantage there for large sensors. The tech for high res RAW live view exists and I think is even in cameras- through an HDMI feed. Internally not so much due to the huge power demands that won't be mitigated any time soon.

I like MILCs but I'm getting really annoyed with these "promises" that MILC will overcome any and all obstacles with no proof or reasoning beyond zealotry. It's tired. Unless you have a link or something showing camera makers are actively working on these issues don't talk about what "will be".
There never will be, just as there are still people shooting film because "digital can never equal the special quality of film". But just as the die-hard film enthusiasts didn't stop most of the camera industry from moving to digital, so the die-hard OVF enthusiasts won't stop most of the camera industry giving up OVF when EVF features surpass it in the eyes of most consumers.
Film vs digital is a terrible analogy for OVF vs EVF, and making such a comparison only demonstrates how deluded and hyperbolic the discussion has become. If EVFs were as revolutionary as digital OVFs would have dissappeared just as quickly as film did. Yet deep into the mature digital camera market they are still alive and kicking.
Coudn't disagree more. The SLT concept is a useful hybrid which probably still has one or possibly two generations of development to come before it morphs into the MILC category by dropping the mirror while retaining the superior ergonomics and body size of the DSLR. Some of the extra space released by the absent mirror will be taken up by new technology, new features which neither DSLR nor MILC have at the moment. Even if the A99ii (or whatever it gets called when it arrives) is no longer an SLT, it will still either be A-mount or a backwards compatible A-mount extension.

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Chris Malcolm
Again with the promises. What new tech will that space be filled with? You don't know, but you are certain it will come and make DSLRs obsolete. This is silly. I am an avid MILC enthusiast and I grow tired of being associated with this baseless idolatry. If you don't know how MILCs will kill off DSLRs then stop purporting the death of DSLRs as some kind of guaranteed inevitability. There are still huge hurdles and a lot of people invested in DSLRs and OVFs. EVFs provide nowhere near the advantages over OVFs as digital does over film so that red herring needs to die. It's all just getting a bit ridiculous now.
 
When MILC technology has developed to the point where it can replace some of the clockwork and optical technology of the DSLR without performance detriment it will. When the DSLR no longer needs a mirror it will have become a MILC but with the bigger battery, better ergonomics, etc. of the DSLR.
I'm just not seeing how or why on all levels. OK, I can see a MILC replacing something like a D3300, and in the process losing the viewfinder entirely. But for any kind of prosumer four figure body, these MILCs will need viewfinders and they will have to be really good. No more of this low res 8 bit JPEG preview BS- to get people to leave their D810s and 5DSs they will need that new 4MP Epson viewfinder and full time 14 bit RAW preview at a high frame rate.
Ok, those may be the necessary technological developments.
That's going to take MORE baseline processing power, hogging MORE of the already overtaxed batteries, making the battery life gulf even BIGGER.
Meanwhile more processing power is always getting less power hungry as Moore's Law continues its progress. Plus the current generation of Sony DSLR/SLT batteries is now rather old and low in capacity. It won't be difficult to issue a higher capacity version. Plus it won't be difficult to increase the physical size of the battery. These are not problematic technical hurdles.
The processing power for what would essentially be a sensor & 2 1080p video cards running at a high frame rate will always be a lot higher than zero (the energy consumed by a pentaprism). Not to mention Moore's Law has been slowing down for years, and no matter what computation still requires power.

All this can be circumvented with a bigger battery but then if that battery is so big it makes the MILC just as big and heavy or bigger and heavier than a comparable DSLR what's the point?
Ah! I see what the problem is! We're talking at cross purposes. You're making the assumption that there have been, are, and will be two classes of camera, the big heavy DSLR and the smaller lighter MILC. Speculating about future developments is just speculation. To you the primary advantage of the MILC is being smaller and lighter, so what's the point in a MILC which is as big and heavy as a DSLR?

But there's nothing inherent in either technology which insists on these differences. They just happen to be the current marketing strategies of some of the important manufacturers. So long as MILCs have some performance disadvantages with respect to DSLRs they need to exploit other advantages such as the smaller sizes they make possible. Whenever improving technology erases the performance differences however, as it certainly will one day, then the days of the OVF will be numbered. Some of the MILCs of the future will be as small as possible, just like today's. Some of those future MILCs will offer the bigger batteries extra controls and better ergonomics that some photographers prefer and now find in DSLRs. They'll all however be mirrorless, i.e. MILCs, beause there will no longer be any reason for the mirror.
You can't have image magnification in the viewfinder without EVF. That's a really good way of checking AF accuracy very quickly, and of doing really accurate manual focusing easily and quickly. That alone is a reason I'll never go back to OVF. As you point out, it's just going to take some improved EVF technology to make it a clear winner over OVF.
A good AF system won't engender such insecurity.
That's perfectly true. It just happens to be the case, however, that DSLR-type AF with separate large phase-based AF sensors require very fine optical and mechanical calibration to match the naturally inherent accurcy of image sensor AF. Today's top of the range most expensive cameras with DSLR-type AF have the most sophisticated and most accurate AF of that kind that reasonable money can buy at the moment, but at the same time they also have the most sophisticated methods of manual focusing and the most sophisticated methods of fine tuning the AF by the user on a lens by lens basis. Why? Because the best AF of that kind you can buy today still isn't good enough for the most demanding enthusuasts and professionals.

of course as you point out when shooting a large fierce animal heading towards you a good fast AF system is essential, possibly life saving. That doesn't mean good manual focus aids and good AF checking and fine tuning aids are not required. Quite the contrary, because using them when you have plenty of time to explore how well your AF is doing is how you discover which of your lenses AF accurately and which need a bit of adjustment. They make it possible to do that adjustment and check it more easily. They make it possible for users to develop the confidence in their DSLRs' AF accuracy that is as you point out required for photographing large fierce animals in the wild.
Your hopes and dreams are not a guarantee that the technology is feasible to develop and implement in a realistic way in a camera.
Of course not. But I do have a pretty good idea of how all the various technologies in use today work, and a pretty good idea of how future technologies might work. Now retired, I started doing digital photography machine vision research in 1981.
The lenses are lenses - the GM glass shows MILC pretty much has no advantage there for large sensors.
Nothing to do with MILCs. Everything to do with the lens design and manufacturing technology. I didn't know anyone had yet managed to review one of these recently announced GM lenses with Sony's new optical finishing technology. Can you point me to a review?
I like MILCs but I'm getting really annoyed with these "promises" that MILC will overcome any and all obstacles with no proof or reasoning beyond zealotry. It's tired. Unless you have a link or something showing camera makers are actively working on these issues don't talk about what "will be".
There never will be, just as there are still people shooting film because "digital can never equal the special quality of film". But just as the die-hard film enthusiasts didn't stop most of the camera industry from moving to digital, so the die-hard OVF enthusiasts won't stop most of the camera industry giving up OVF when EVF features surpass it in the eyes of most consumers.
Film vs digital is a terrible analogy for OVF vs EVF, and making such a comparison only demonstrates how deluded and hyperbolic the discussion has become. If EVFs were as revolutionary as digital OVFs would have dissappeared just as quickly as film did.
Of course EVFs aren't nearly as revolutionary as digital cameras, they're just an accessory technology. If we take the development of a 6MP DSLR to be the time when digital cameras roughly equalled 35mm film in performance that was roughly a dozen years after the first consumer digital camera appeared on the market. I think the first EVF on the market arrived with Sony's DKC-ID 1PRO in 1996. In 2011 Sony brought out the Nex 5n, which featured an EVF as an expensive accessory. In 2012 Sony gave up DSLRs and started its SLT line with the A57. Those early EVFs were distinctly inferior to optical viewfinders in image quality, and relied on the extra features they made possible to sell. In 2016 they had still failed to match OVFs in image quality. So it's clearly a slower development, but not as much as twice as slow.

There's no way of proving that the kind of developments I'm suggesting will happen. There's no way of proving that men will ever walk on the surface of Mars. It would however be rather dogmatically conservative to insist that the absence of such proofs amount to improbability. In my opinion :-)
 
It is coming IMO. They need something to Justify a 70-200mm lens that cost 3k.

Body - $6000+

56mp

100+ mp high resolution mode.

Everything else on the A7RII

More PDAF points/faster AF

Sealed

Dual card slots

Etc etc.
I would very much like that
 
Ready? Yes
Interested? Not really

I'd imagine the "pro-body" A9 would pack the following......
#1 Better AF performance with close to 10fps burst shooting.
#2 Bigger body to accomodate weather-sealing and bigger batteries.
#3 Dual SD cards?
#4 Touchscreen?

I do not need #1
I do not want #2
I do not need #3
Slightly intrigued with #4
Same here, except I've had #4 and I stopped using it. I can easily live without it.
1, 2, 3 absolutely yes.

4 useless and has no point

5 no video at all please and no buttons related to it.
 
Ah! I see what the problem is! We're talking at cross purposes. You're making the assumption that there have been, are, and will be two classes of camera, the big heavy DSLR and the smaller lighter MILC. Speculating about future developments is just speculation. To you the primary advantage of the MILC is being smaller and lighter, so what's the point in a MILC which is as big and heavy as a DSLR?

But there's nothing inherent in either technology which insists on these differences. They just happen to be the current marketing strategies of some of the important manufacturers. So long as MILCs have some performance disadvantages with respect to DSLRs they need to exploit other advantages such as the smaller sizes they make possible. Whenever improving technology erases the performance differences however, as it certainly will one day, then the days of the OVF will be numbered. Some of the MILCs of the future will be as small as possible, just like today's. Some of those future MILCs will offer the bigger batteries extra controls and better ergonomics that some photographers prefer and now find in DSLRs. They'll all however be mirrorless, i.e. MILCs, beause there will no longer be any reason for the mirror.
There is a pretty clear difference between the two. Theres no way to get a big bright viewfinder through a mirror in a package the size of an A7. If they could make OVFs smaller they would. And the absence of the mirrorbox enables smaller lenses and bodies. There's no FF DSLR/lens combo as small as the A7 + 28/2 or 35/2.8. So there is something inherent in both technologies that makes for their obvious differences.
That's perfectly true. It just happens to be the case, however, that DSLR-type AF with separate large phase-based AF sensors require very fine optical and mechanical calibration to match the naturally inherent accurcy of image sensor AF. Today's top of the range most expensive cameras with DSLR-type AF have the most sophisticated and most accurate AF of that kind that reasonable money can buy at the moment, but at the same time they also have the most sophisticated methods of manual focusing and the most sophisticated methods of fine tuning the AF by the user on a lens by lens basis. Why? Because the best AF of that kind you can buy today still isn't good enough for the most demanding enthusuasts and professionals.

of course as you point out when shooting a large fierce animal heading towards you a good fast AF system is essential, possibly life saving. That doesn't mean good manual focus aids and good AF checking and fine tuning aids are not required. Quite the contrary, because using them when you have plenty of time to explore how well your AF is doing is how you discover which of your lenses AF accurately and which need a bit of adjustment. They make it possible to do that adjustment and check it more easily. They make it possible for users to develop the confidence in their DSLRs' AF accuracy that is as you point out required for photographing large fierce animals in the wild.
What, besides landscapes and studio work, is MF needed for? Plus keep in mind with both of those branches of photography, not much is needed beyond magnification and focus peaking- both of which have been available in DSLRs for some time now. There is nothing inherent to MILCs that makes those MF assists exclusive to them.
Of course not. But I do have a pretty good idea of how all the various technologies in use today work, and a pretty good idea of how future technologies might work. Now retired, I started doing digital photography machine vision research in 1981.
Not jumping for your appeal to authority. Samsung was in the digital photography business too.
Nothing to do with MILCs. Everything to do with the lens design and manufacturing technology. I didn't know anyone had yet managed to review one of these recently announced GM lenses with Sony's new optical finishing technology. Can you point me to a review?
I was talking with regards to size. Aside from slowish wide primes FF MILC glass is about the same size and weight as it is for FF DSLRs.
I like MILCs but I'm getting really annoyed with these "promises" that MILC will overcome any and all obstacles with no proof or reasoning beyond zealotry. It's tired. Unless you have a link or something showing camera makers are actively working on these issues don't talk about what "will be".
There never will be, just as there are still people shooting film because "digital can never equal the special quality of film". But just as the die-hard film enthusiasts didn't stop most of the camera industry from moving to digital, so the die-hard OVF enthusiasts won't stop most of the camera industry giving up OVF when EVF features surpass it in the eyes of most consumers.
Film vs digital is a terrible analogy for OVF vs EVF, and making such a comparison only demonstrates how deluded and hyperbolic the discussion has become. If EVFs were as revolutionary as digital OVFs would have dissappeared just as quickly as film did.
Of course EVFs aren't nearly as revolutionary as digital cameras, they're just an accessory technology. If we take the development of a 6MP DSLR to be the time when digital cameras roughly equalled 35mm film in performance that was roughly a dozen years after the first consumer digital camera appeared on the market. I think the first EVF on the market arrived with Sony's DKC-ID 1PRO in 1996. In 2011 Sony brought out the Nex 5n, which featured an EVF as an expensive accessory. In 2012 Sony gave up DSLRs and started its SLT line with the A57. Those early EVFs were distinctly inferior to optical viewfinders in image quality, and relied on the extra features they made possible to sell. In 2016 they had still failed to match OVFs in image quality. So it's clearly a slower development, but not as much as twice as slow.
That change to EVFs is probably what did the A mount in. When Sony was selling DSLRs it was taking a sizeable chunk of market share. When it switched everyone left. Granted EVFs have come a long way but ultimately there are and always will be people who prefer OVFs.

Not to mention, in implementation at least, EVFs haven't come close to making good on their promises. The preview you get through an EVF is heavily compressed JPG quality, and the histogram shown is of JPG, not RAW. So from a highlight recovery view it's pretty useless.
There's no way of proving that the kind of developments I'm suggesting will happen. There's no way of proving that men will ever walk on the surface of Mars. It would however be rather dogmatically conservative to insist that the absence of such proofs amount to improbability. In my opinion :-)
 
But also probably large and heavy. So that would mean a lot would not be interested no matter how many frames per second or how large the sensor was.

56mp does seem like a likely size although that may make it very hard to get it to the level of responsiveness as D5 and 1DX. Perhaps a 20mp? for low light and speed.

Greg.
 
But also probably large and heavy. So that would mean a lot would not be interested no matter how many frames per second or how large the sensor was.

56mp does seem like a likely size although that may make it very hard to get it to the level of responsiveness as D5 and 1DX. Perhaps a 20mp? for low light and speed.

Greg.
Please give up on the size complaint. The A7 will continue. This would be marketed to a different segment of the market. It won't extinguish the smaller form factor that many desire. I suspect that it would be slightly larger than the A7rII and grip, with a 1DX type battery.
 
I am not complaining about the likelihood of it being a larger camera merely it would not interest me because of that and most likely a lot on this site so its a relevant thing to point out. A lot took up A7 because of the size so a large body would appeal to those considering the alternative D5/1DX type cameras.

It should be good news for A7 as whatever developments they put into the Pro camera will likely make their way down to the A7 series if they don't require extra body size.

Greg.
 
It sure looks like an A9 professional body is headed our way and Photokina is the perfect venue to announce. Canon and Nikon have updated their top bodies just as Olympic qualifiers get underway. So, the competition is set. For me, the G Master lenses were the first big hint that a professional camera is around the corner. I sure hope that the pro service holds up their end.
Oh I'm ready!

But my wallet isn't :p
 
Chris Malcolm wrote:...
Pretty much agree with all your points. You seem a logical person.

I think mirrorless is the next logical step in the development of the photography gear and I will tell you why.

In other post you mencioned the complex off sensor DSLR autofocus system. And if you search videos of the Canon 5DSR you will find one video with a demostration of the mirror mechanisms.

All those things (PDAF module alignment, mirrors, mechanism) cost money, need calibration and tests. All those things made the camera pricer. Any good engineer student will tell you that the simpler design is always better. Mirrorless cameras are a simplier design and therefore they have more "potential". Regrettably when mirrorless will be the standard, we will not see a price drop, mainly because the greed of the corporations.

Right now we can`t say that mirrorless is 100% better than DSLR, mainly because the OVF, the battery life and "toughness". As you say, EVF are progressing, and it`s only matter of time that the EVF will surprase any OVF.

The big boys Canon and Nikon know that. Is rather funny that in the conference of the Nikon FLAGSHIP D5 they dedicated time to say that OVF are better than EVF. But that isn`t necessary, everyone knows that OVF are light years ahead of EVF, right? Not for Nikon :) . They are not fools, they already know what is going on. And they are AFRAID.
 
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When EVFs are able to output a high framerate RAW preview with real highlight control and super high resolution, then we can talk. But given the data requirements (4K at 12 bit and 60 FPS = over 1GB/s) I don't see that being realistic....
 
When EVFs are able to output a high framerate RAW preview with real highlight control and super high resolution, then we can talk. But given the data requirements (4K at 12 bit and 60 FPS = over 1GB/s) I don't see that being realistic....
Depends on time frame. It's unrealistic with today's technology or next year's likely technology. But fifteen years ago 50MP sensors were unrealistic as was the idea of getting any kind of video from a DSLR.
 

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