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SportyPete said:
Hello All. I thought you might find this interesting.

I was at a sport event with a fine drizzel rain showers now and then in central Europe...

I recently brought a D750 and 70-200 f2.8 about 2 weeks ago....

At the event I had the following setup.

D750 with the Nikon 70-200 f2.8 for the closer and faster focus shooting

D7000 with the Sigma 150 -500 f5.6 For the longer distance shots

When the cameras were not being use they were under my poncho... To protect them.

I now have to send the D750 and the Nikon 70-200 f2.8 both for repair.

The D7000 with the Sigma 150-500 which was out in the weather more is working fine...

I am amazed that the D750 is more sensative to weather conditions than the older D750....

I also take photographs in extereme cold conditions. It will be interesting to see how the D750 will work in the -40c and below... and the Nikon 70-200 f2.8 lens...

Not complaining... Just have to accept that the more modern cameras are not as durable as older and cheaper cameras....

Was thinking about buying D500 to replace the D7000... Somehow I don't think so...

In two years I will be looking at replacing the D750...

But will I buy Nikon again... As of now... No.... I will be looking for a more durable camera setup.. Sigma lenses yes...

Expensive learning....

Not complaining,... Just pointing something out for you to be aware....
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Actually, this is quite common. Very likely, had you reversed the conditions, it would be the D7000 in for repair. Water droplets on a camera are generally OK. Surface tension stops them entering through the camera, even an 'unsealed' one. In truth, the 'sealed' claim is nonsense - no camera is hermetically sealed, they have to be able to breath, otherwise they'd inflate when they get warm. So, your D7000 and Sigma, out in the rain, were never in serious danger. On the other hand, you put the D750 and Nikkor in just about the worst conditions they could be. They were in moist, vapour laden air and subject to changing temperature conditions (sometimes close to your body, sometimes not) under these conditions, the humid air will have been drawn inside the camera as it cooled, and would eventually have condensed out inside the camera, selectively on all the metal electronic connections.

By and large, this weathersealed stuff is a big con.

--
Bob.
“The picture is good or not from the moment it was caught in the camera.”
Henri Cartier-Bresson.
 
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bobn2 said:
SportyPete said:
Hello All. I thought you might find this interesting.

I was at a sport event with a fine drizzel rain showers now and then in central Europe...

...............

Not complaining,... Just pointing something out for you to be aware....
Click to expand...
Actually, this is quite common. Very likely, had you reversed the conditions, it would be the D7000 in for repair. Water droplets on a camera are generally OK. Surface tension stops them entering through the camera, even an 'unsealed' one. In truth, the 'sealed' claim is nonsense - no camera is hermetically sealed, they have to be able to breath, otherwise they'd inflate when they get warm. So, your D7000 and Sigma, out in the rain, were never in serious danger. On the other hand, you put the D750 and Nikkor in just about the worst conditions they could be. They were in moist, vapour laden air and subject to changing temperature conditions (sometimes close to your body, sometimes not) under these conditions, the humid air will have been drawn inside the camera as it cooled, and would eventually have condensed out inside the camera, selectively on all the metal electronic connections.

By and large, this weathersealed stuff is a big con.
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Again, as I said in an earlier post - have a look at this video .......

There are many posts on the Pentax forum here on DPReview about the excellent weather sealing on the latest Pentax cameras and lenses. I have used my Pentax gear in moderately heavy showers with no ill effect. I carried a small handtowel in my gear bag for wiping my gear down when it got wet. Never had a problem. Horses for courses.
 
emem said:
bobn2 said:
SportyPete said:
Hello All. I thought you might find this interesting.

I was at a sport event with a fine drizzel rain showers now and then in central Europe...

...............

Not complaining,... Just pointing something out for you to be aware....
Click to expand...
Actually, this is quite common. Very likely, had you reversed the conditions, it would be the D7000 in for repair. Water droplets on a camera are generally OK. Surface tension stops them entering through the camera, even an 'unsealed' one. In truth, the 'sealed' claim is nonsense - no camera is hermetically sealed, they have to be able to breath, otherwise they'd inflate when they get warm. So, your D7000 and Sigma, out in the rain, were never in serious danger. On the other hand, you put the D750 and Nikkor in just about the worst conditions they could be. They were in moist, vapour laden air and subject to changing temperature conditions (sometimes close to your body, sometimes not) under these conditions, the humid air will have been drawn inside the camera as it cooled, and would eventually have condensed out inside the camera, selectively on all the metal electronic connections.

By and large, this weathersealed stuff is a big con.
Click to expand...
Again, as I said in an earlier post - have a look at this video .......

There are many posts on the Pentax forum here on DPReview about the excellent weather sealing on the latest Pentax cameras and lenses. I have used my Pentax gear in moderately heavy showers with no ill effect. I carried a small handtowel in my gear bag for wiping my gear down when it got wet. Never had a problem. Horses for courses.
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What's to say that other cameras would not have performed just as well? The whole 'weather sealed' thing is a corporate con. It is part of brand loyalty to insist your brand/camera is better 'weather sealed' than the best, though there is no reliable data to support it. To design a good weather sealed test would be very expensive, because you'd have to take a number of cameras through controlled environmental conditions and count the attrition rate. That's why no-one does it and all claims of great weather sealing are huey.

--
Bob.
“The picture is good or not from the moment it was caught in the camera.”
Henri Cartier-Bresson.
 
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bobn2 said:
emem said:
bobn2 said:
SportyPete said:
Hello All. I thought you might find this interesting.

I was at a sport event with a fine drizzel rain showers now and then in central Europe...

...............

Not complaining,... Just pointing something out for you to be aware....
Click to expand...
Actually, this is quite common. Very likely, had you reversed the conditions, it would be the D7000 in for repair. Water droplets on a camera are generally OK. Surface tension stops them entering through the camera, even an 'unsealed' one. In truth, the 'sealed' claim is nonsense - no camera is hermetically sealed, they have to be able to breath, otherwise they'd inflate when they get warm. So, your D7000 and Sigma, out in the rain, were never in serious danger. On the other hand, you put the D750 and Nikkor in just about the worst conditions they could be. They were in moist, vapour laden air and subject to changing temperature conditions (sometimes close to your body, sometimes not) under these conditions, the humid air will have been drawn inside the camera as it cooled, and would eventually have condensed out inside the camera, selectively on all the metal electronic connections.

By and large, this weathersealed stuff is a big con.
Click to expand...
Again, as I said in an earlier post - have a look at this video .......

There are many posts on the Pentax forum here on DPReview about the excellent weather sealing on the latest Pentax cameras and lenses. I have used my Pentax gear in moderately heavy showers with no ill effect. I carried a small handtowel in my gear bag for wiping my gear down when it got wet. Never had a problem. Horses for courses.
Click to expand...
What's to say that other cameras would not have performed just as well? The whole 'weather sealed' thing is a corporate con.
Click to expand...
With specific reference to Pentax, tell me how?
bobn2 said:
It is part of brand loyalty to insist your brand/camera is better 'weather sealed' than the best, though there is no reliable data to support it.
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Nonsense - I've moved to Nikon.
bobn2 said:
To design a good weather sealed test would be very expensive, because you'd have to take a number of cameras through controlled environmental conditions and count the attrition rate. That's why no-one does it and all claims of great weather sealing are huey.
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Total, unadulterated bunk.

Heck - did you look at the video? At all? What do you make of that? A commie plot? Sheesh.
 
emem said:
bobn2 said:
emem said:
bobn2 said:
SportyPete said:
Hello All. I thought you might find this interesting.

I was at a sport event with a fine drizzel rain showers now and then in central Europe...

...............

Not complaining,... Just pointing something out for you to be aware....
Click to expand...
Actually, this is quite common. Very likely, had you reversed the conditions, it would be the D7000 in for repair. Water droplets on a camera are generally OK. Surface tension stops them entering through the camera, even an 'unsealed' one. In truth, the 'sealed' claim is nonsense - no camera is hermetically sealed, they have to be able to breath, otherwise they'd inflate when they get warm. So, your D7000 and Sigma, out in the rain, were never in serious danger. On the other hand, you put the D750 and Nikkor in just about the worst conditions they could be. They were in moist, vapour laden air and subject to changing temperature conditions (sometimes close to your body, sometimes not) under these conditions, the humid air will have been drawn inside the camera as it cooled, and would eventually have condensed out inside the camera, selectively on all the metal electronic connections.

By and large, this weathersealed stuff is a big con.
Click to expand...
Again, as I said in an earlier post - have a look at this video .......

There are many posts on the Pentax forum here on DPReview about the excellent weather sealing on the latest Pentax cameras and lenses. I have used my Pentax gear in moderately heavy showers with no ill effect. I carried a small handtowel in my gear bag for wiping my gear down when it got wet. Never had a problem. Horses for courses.
Click to expand...
What's to say that other cameras would not have performed just as well? The whole 'weather sealed' thing is a corporate con.
Click to expand...
With specific reference to Pentax, tell me how?
Click to expand...
No specific reference to Pentax. All of the camera manufacturers are playing this game. Pentax perhaps a bit more, because they moved to the other corporate con, the magnesium shell, a bit later than other companies, so spent a lot of marketing effort emphasising how well sealed their plastic bodied cameras were. That kind of consolidated marketing effort creates memes which stick around.
emem said:
emem said:
It is part of brand loyalty to insist your brand/camera is better 'weather sealed' than the best, though there is no reliable data to support it.
Click to expand...
Nonsense - I've moved to Nikon.
Click to expand...
Bet you still have a lot of fondness for Pentax, though.
emem said:
emem said:
To design a good weather sealed test would be very expensive, because you'd have to take a number of cameras through controlled environmental conditions and count the attrition rate. That's why no-one does it and all claims of great weather sealing are huey.
Click to expand...
Total, unadulterated bunk.

Heck - did you look at the video? At all? What do you make of that? A commie plot? Sheesh.
Click to expand...
Yes, I did. In no way was it a rigorous test of how well a camera was sealed, not was it comparative. It was typical of the stunts common to all such videos brand by brand. He covered them in dust then washed them under the tap. You could do that with most cameras and get away with it most of the time. I've washed my old 350D under a running tap just like that. It survived just fine.
 
you are drawing a lot of conclusions from a small sample size.

my D7000 quit working in Alaska in light rain, my D810 kept working.

working in bad weather? Get a D5.

i try to keep my cameras dry.

maljo
 
bobn2 said:
emem said:
bobn2 said:
emem said:
bobn2 said:
SportyPete said:
Hello All. I thought you might find this interesting.

I was at a sport event with a fine drizzel rain showers now and then in central Europe...

...............

Not complaining,... Just pointing something out for you to be aware....
Click to expand...
Actually, this is quite common. Very likely, had you reversed the conditions, it would be the D7000 in for repair. Water droplets on a camera are generally OK. Surface tension stops them entering through the camera, even an 'unsealed' one. In truth, the 'sealed' claim is nonsense - no camera is hermetically sealed, they have to be able to breath, otherwise they'd inflate when they get warm. So, your D7000 and Sigma, out in the rain, were never in serious danger. On the other hand, you put the D750 and Nikkor in just about the worst conditions they could be. They were in moist, vapour laden air and subject to changing temperature conditions (sometimes close to your body, sometimes not) under these conditions, the humid air will have been drawn inside the camera as it cooled, and would eventually have condensed out inside the camera, selectively on all the metal electronic connections.

By and large, this weathersealed stuff is a big con.
Click to expand...
Again, as I said in an earlier post - have a look at this video .......

There are many posts on the Pentax forum here on DPReview about the excellent weather sealing on the latest Pentax cameras and lenses. I have used my Pentax gear in moderately heavy showers with no ill effect. I carried a small handtowel in my gear bag for wiping my gear down when it got wet. Never had a problem. Horses for courses.
Click to expand...
What's to say that other cameras would not have performed just as well? The whole 'weather sealed' thing is a corporate con.
Click to expand...
With specific reference to Pentax, tell me how?
Click to expand...
No specific reference to Pentax. All of the camera manufacturers are playing this game. Pentax perhaps a bit more, because they moved to the other corporate con, the magnesium shell, a bit later than other companies, so spent a lot of marketing effort emphasising how well sealed their plastic bodied cameras were. That kind of consolidated marketing effort creates memes which stick around.
bobn2 said:
bobn2 said:
It is part of brand loyalty to insist your brand/camera is better 'weather sealed' than the best, though there is no reliable data to support it.
Click to expand...
Nonsense - I've moved to Nikon.
Click to expand...
Bet you still have a lot of fondness for Pentax, though.
bobn2 said:
bobn2 said:
To design a good weather sealed test would be very expensive, because you'd have to take a number of cameras through controlled environmental conditions and count the attrition rate. That's why no-one does it and all claims of great weather sealing are huey.
Click to expand...
Total, unadulterated bunk.

Heck - did you look at the video? At all? What do you make of that? A commie plot? Sheesh.
Click to expand...
Yes, I did. In no way was it a rigorous test of how well a camera was sealed, not was it comparative. It was typical of the stunts common to all such videos brand by brand. He covered them in dust then washed them under the tap. You could do that with most cameras and get away with it most of the time. I've washed my old 350D under a running tap just like that. It survived just fine.
Click to expand...
A fine measured response Bob to my somewhat testy post.

Actually I don't have much in the way of fondness for Pentax. Many of my posts over on the Pentax SLR forum will attest to that. And hence my move to Nikon. But I really do have a lot of respect for their weather sealing. I've seen it in action and I've benefitted from it myself. There are very few posts on the Pentax forum complaining about dust & moisture ingress, but I see a few here from time to time - and on the DX forum. Pentax cameras and WR lenses aren't claimed by Pentax to be waterproof, but anecdotally, the "weather resistance" they claim really seems to work.
 
emem said:
bobn2 said:
emem said:
bobn2 said:
emem said:
bobn2 said:
SportyPete said:
Hello All. I thought you might find this interesting.

I was at a sport event with a fine drizzel rain showers now and then in central Europe...

...............

Not complaining,... Just pointing something out for you to be aware....
Click to expand...
Actually, this is quite common. Very likely, had you reversed the conditions, it would be the D7000 in for repair. Water droplets on a camera are generally OK. Surface tension stops them entering through the camera, even an 'unsealed' one. In truth, the 'sealed' claim is nonsense - no camera is hermetically sealed, they have to be able to breath, otherwise they'd inflate when they get warm. So, your D7000 and Sigma, out in the rain, were never in serious danger. On the other hand, you put the D750 and Nikkor in just about the worst conditions they could be. They were in moist, vapour laden air and subject to changing temperature conditions (sometimes close to your body, sometimes not) under these conditions, the humid air will have been drawn inside the camera as it cooled, and would eventually have condensed out inside the camera, selectively on all the metal electronic connections.

By and large, this weathersealed stuff is a big con.
Click to expand...
Again, as I said in an earlier post - have a look at this video .......

There are many posts on the Pentax forum here on DPReview about the excellent weather sealing on the latest Pentax cameras and lenses. I have used my Pentax gear in moderately heavy showers with no ill effect. I carried a small handtowel in my gear bag for wiping my gear down when it got wet. Never had a problem. Horses for courses.
Click to expand...
What's to say that other cameras would not have performed just as well? The whole 'weather sealed' thing is a corporate con.
Click to expand...
With specific reference to Pentax, tell me how?
Click to expand...
No specific reference to Pentax. All of the camera manufacturers are playing this game. Pentax perhaps a bit more, because they moved to the other corporate con, the magnesium shell, a bit later than other companies, so spent a lot of marketing effort emphasising how well sealed their plastic bodied cameras were. That kind of consolidated marketing effort creates memes which stick around.
emem said:
emem said:
It is part of brand loyalty to insist your brand/camera is better 'weather sealed' than the best, though there is no reliable data to support it.
Click to expand...
Nonsense - I've moved to Nikon.
Click to expand...
Bet you still have a lot of fondness for Pentax, though.
emem said:
emem said:
To design a good weather sealed test would be very expensive, because you'd have to take a number of cameras through controlled environmental conditions and count the attrition rate. That's why no-one does it and all claims of great weather sealing are huey.
Click to expand...
Total, unadulterated bunk.

Heck - did you look at the video? At all? What do you make of that? A commie plot? Sheesh.
Click to expand...
Yes, I did. In no way was it a rigorous test of how well a camera was sealed, not was it comparative. It was typical of the stunts common to all such videos brand by brand. He covered them in dust then washed them under the tap. You could do that with most cameras and get away with it most of the time. I've washed my old 350D under a running tap just like that. It survived just fine.
Click to expand...
A fine measured response Bob to my somewhat testy post.

Actually I don't have much in the way of fondness for Pentax. Many of my posts over on the Pentax SLR forum will attest to that. And hence my move to Nikon. But I really do have a lot of respect for their weather sealing. I've seen it in action and I've benefitted from it myself. There are very few posts on the Pentax forum complaining about dust & moisture ingress, but I see a few here from time to time - and on the DX forum. Pentax cameras and WR lenses aren't claimed by Pentax to be waterproof, but anecdotally, the "weather resistance" they claim really seems to work.
Click to expand...
 
Hello All,

It's been interesting reading through the replies. Thanks.

From what I understand is that weather sealed or not.. Makes no difference... It depending on the place or how the water hits the camera for the water to enter the camera..

I was just unlucky with the D750 and lucky with the D7000

So far the repair bill for the Nikon D750 is €460 euro's Not had the reapair cost for the lens yet.

I've now invested into 2 x set of camera and lens capes and 1 x for large zoom lens cape from Manfrotto..

Now I have them it will be interesting to see how good they are.. Sods law is now that I have them will never need them.... But better to have and not to have a high bill...

Thanks for your comments and replies.
 
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This is a pic from last weekend (Solid Bronze Henry Moore sculptures)- heavy rain: My D810 and 20mm 1.8 were soaked and cold (4 centigrade). Just dried on a towel afterwards and no problems no internal condensation etc.
 
Never had an issue with a D100, D200 or a D300s but my D750 7 months down the track developed a shutter fault and has just come back from a warranty repair for a replacement Shutter, Focus screen and LCD. Front side and rear grips were replaced as well but I am guessing that the grips were replaced because they are destroyed in dissassembling the camera.

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