Nikon D7100, very confused

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I've been shooting a Nikon D7100 for about two months. I JUST ordered an AF 50mm and then saw on DXOMARK that it's rated as crap on my camera. Is this a reputable site? Is this really a crap lens for my camera? What are some good lenses for the D7100? So confused.
 
I have used the AFS DX 17-55 f2.8, AFS DX 55-300, AFS DX 40 f2.8 all with good results. My son has the DX 35 mm and the AFS DX 10-24. He too has had good results.
 
I've been shooting a Nikon D7100 for about two months.
Ok.
I JUST ordered an AF 50mm
There are at least 4 50mm lenses from Nikon (Nikkor) that AF. Be more exact?
and then saw on DXOMARK that it's rated as crap on my camera.
Don't rely on DXOmark (most meaningless and sometimes plain nonsensical "results"). Read other lens reviews, and then decide if the negatives they find and the positives they find touch on your uses and likes and dislikes or not.
Is this a reputable site? Is this really a crap lens for my camera? What are some good lenses for the D7100? So confused.
 
I've been shooting a Nikon D7100 for about two months. I JUST ordered an AF 50mm and then saw on DXOMARK that it's rated as crap on my camera. Is this a reputable site? Is this really a crap lens for my camera? What are some good lenses for the D7100? So confused.
You can't compare their sharpness ratings between sensor formats. Nothing wrong with the lens on a D7100.
 
Are you talking for 1.8G...



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There are no crappy lenses, only crappy shooters... Don't believe so much on numbers and lab results
 
Which 50mm lens are you talking about as there are a few. The differences between a 50mm f/1.4g and a 50mm f/1.8g are quite significant and important to know if you are trying to get good information to make a decision.
DXOMark is a reputable site, but I would recommend that you don't use the overall number rating that they use.
Instead you should look at the detailed analysis in each section as that will give you a better idea of how the lens performs and is better for comparisons.
 
AF lenses are designed for the larger frame and the larger pixels of full frame. Like all lenses, they do not perform as well on a smaller sensor. This is just an optical fact of life. DxO rates all lenses on the same scale. Consequently, they tend to rate most lenses rather poorly on small (APS-C) sensors. That's just the way they do it. It doesn't mean it's a bad lens. You just have to compare it against other lenses.
 
To be practical, what is the return policy from the vendor? Can you open it up and try it out and still return it for a full refund? If so, there is a better gear tester than DxO: you! If you must return it unopened to get a full refund, I might suggest doing that. Take some time. It seems like you just started to do some research. So, take some time to explore your options and look at some other sites as well as user reviews. You might decide on the same lens or you might go another way entirely. Time can help.
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AF lenses are designed for the larger frame and the larger pixels of full frame. Like all lenses, they do not perform as well on a smaller sensor.
Which lenses do you think perform well on an APS-C sensor? I guess they would be non-AF lenses?
 
No Nikon 50mm AF lenses are crap on the D7100. But you may have to stop them down more than you'd like if you are after very good resolution. Fast 50 mm lenses sharp fully open are, generally, larger and more expensive.

For example, on the D7100 I have found that I have to stop the 50/1.4G down to f/2.8 to enjoy "full sharpness". f/2 may be enough, f/1.4 isn't, generally, suitable for large prints or cropping. I would, however, encourage you to experiment with the 50/1.4G (if that's what you have ordered) in the f/1.4-1.8 range. That the lens is far outresolved by the sensor there doesn't mean it can't produce interesting images :-)
 
Which lenses do you think perform well on an APS-C sensor? I guess they would be non-AF lenses?
They may well perform better than inexpensive lenses that were designed for the sensor. You'll just have to look it up and read the reviews for yourself. There are too many of them for me to generalize.

But a 50mm lens from Nikon? Are you joking? What are you worried about? It will be fine. Nikon is not going to make a bad 50mm lens. That's the time-honored focal length that's been sold on practically every SLR since the 1950's. It won't be tack-sharp at f/1.8 or f/1.4, but almost no lens is. Just stop it down a little.

DxO tends to rate good lenses poorly on APS-C. That's just their scale. They would rate poor lenses even worse.
 
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AF lenses are designed for the larger frame and the larger pixels of full frame. Like all lenses, they do not perform as well on a smaller sensor.
Which lenses do you think perform well on an APS-C sensor? I guess they would be non-AF lenses?
Wow ! it's amazing some of the stuff I read on here. I guarantee you 100% that if I showed you 2 photos taken with any of the 50 1.8's on a D7100 or a D750 the only difference you would see would be in the crop factor. Just go out and buy any of the 50 1.8's and start shooting. They're all excellent performers.
 
AF lenses are designed for the larger frame and the larger pixels of full frame. Like all lenses, they do not perform as well on a smaller sensor.
Which lenses do you think perform well on an APS-C sensor? I guess they would be non-AF lenses?
Wow ! it's amazing some of the stuff I read on here....
It's a true statement, but you neglected to quote the rest, where I wrote: "That doesn't mean it's a bad lens", and "They may well perform better than inexpensive lenses that were designed for the sensor." I also wrote quite a bit more, including these statements: "What are you worried about? It will be fine. Nikon is not going to make a bad 50mm lens."
 
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I've used both AF 50 mm f/1.8 D and AF-S 50 mm f/1.8 G on my D7100. Both of them are really sharp, but the G has more pleasing bokeh IMHO.
 
AF lenses are designed for the larger frame and the larger pixels of full frame. Like all lenses, they do not perform as well on a smaller sensor.
Which lenses do you think perform well on an APS-C sensor? I guess they would be non-AF lenses?
Wow ! it's amazing some of the stuff I read on here....
It's a true statement, but you neglected to quote the rest, where I wrote: "That doesn't mean it's a bad lens", and "They may well perform better than inexpensive lenses that were designed for the sensor." I also wrote quite a bit more, including these statements: "What are you worried about? It will be fine. Nikon is not going to make a bad 50mm lens."
I think his problem was your statement that "lenses don't perform as well..." What empirical evidence are you relying on to make this statement? As someone else mentioned in this thread, in good light, it would be extremely hard to distinguish the output between the D7100 and D750, two cameras with equal resolution.

DXOMark scores are resolution dependent as well as voodoo dependent. The scores are higher for full frame, but in most cases those differences are only noticeable for low-light/high-ISO shooting. DX is just that good.

I have two Nikon 50mm lenses: the 1.4D and 1.8G. The 1.8G is better than the 1.4D from 1.8 to about 4.0. From there they're about the same.

50mm is not my favorite focal length, so the 1.8G is good enough. However, if I wanted/needed something better, I would go with the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art.

Happily, the 1.8G works for me.
 
I think his problem was your statement that "lenses don't perform as well..." What empirical evidence are you relying on to make this statement?...
I got into an argument about that before, and I asked for evidence. They told me to go to DxO. :D So I did, and that ended the discussion. I never got another argument until now. So now I'm telling you to check the DxO sharpness scores on different sensors.
DXOMark scores are resolution dependent as well as voodoo dependent.
Ah, there's the crux of the argument. DxO uses voodoo. It requires evidence, though. Care to rephrase that?
The scores are higher for full frame,
Yes they are. In most instances, a lot higher.
but in most cases those differences are only noticeable for low-light/high-ISO shooting.
Or maybe in large prints? The ISO setting has nothing to do with the lens performance, but you have a grain of truth here, if you care to be more specific. (And you can find the info in the DxO reviews. :) )
DX is just that good.
Did I not already mention (twice) that full-frame lenses are usually pretty good with APS-C sensors? But they're even better on full-frame sensors.
 
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I think his problem was your statement that "lenses don't perform as well..." What empirical evidence are you relying on to make this statement?...
I got into an argument about that before, and I asked for evidence. They told me to go to DxO. :D So I did, and that ended the discussion. I never got another argument until now. So now I'm telling you to check the DxO sharpness scores on different sensors.
DXO is a sad lens "review" site. Pretty useless. No wonder you typed what you typed.
DXOMark scores are resolution dependent as well as voodoo dependent.
Ah, there's the crux of the argument. DxO uses voodoo. It requires evidence, though. Care to rephrase that?
The scores are higher for full frame,
Yes they are. In most instances, a lot higher.
but in most cases those differences are only noticeable for low-light/high-ISO shooting.
Or maybe in large prints? The ISO setting has nothing to do with the lens performance, but you have a grain of truth here, if you care to be more specific. (And you can find the info in the DxO reviews. :) )
DX is just that good.
Did I not already mention (twice) that full-frame lenses are usually pretty good with APS-C sensors? But they're even better on full-frame sensors.
 
DXO is a sad lens "review" site. Pretty useless. No wonder you typed what you typed.
Well, DxO is a major player in lens and camera testing. Their software and tests are used by many camera manufacturers and review sites, including this one. I think a lot of people are bothered by a single score that is supposed to represent a camera-lens combination, but they don't bother to read the details.

Here's some info from DPR: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/len...nikon_d800&version=0&fl=50&av=1.4&view=mtf-ca .

Check the MTF of that lens for two different sensors. Incomplete information, I know, but if it is your contention that full-frame lenses work just as well on APS-C cameras, you'll have to come up with some sort of evidence.
 
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DXO is a sad lens "review" site. Pretty useless. No wonder you typed what you typed.
Well, DxO is a major player in lens and camera testing. Their software and tests are used by many camera manufacturers and review sites, including this one. I think a lot of people are bothered by a single score that is supposed to represent a camera-lens combination, but they don't bother to read the details.

Here you go: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/len...nikon_d800&version=0&fl=50&av=1.4&view=mtf-ca .

Check the MTF of that lens for two different sensors. Incomplete information, I know, but if it is your contention that full-frame lenses work just as well on APS-C cameras, you'll have to come up with some sort of evidence.
I don't have to come up with any evidence. It is in plain sight. With many lenses the DXO "results" are totally nonsensical. And when other, more reliable websites show what a lens actually does, that is your evidence. But you can base your then nonsensical posts on the DXO lens test dribble... Nothing can stop you from that.
 
I don't have to come up with any evidence.
If you sample an image with the smaller APS-C sensor instead of full frame, the resolution improves. But when you display it at the same size as the full-frame image, the resolution will be worse. You have lost all that improvement and more. The effect is usually worst at small f-stops.

There is no mystery about that. It's just optics. If you contend otherwise, you really do need evidence.

I'm going to leave it at that.
 

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