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Directions and Drops and an Odd Abstract
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Excellent photos, # 3 is my favoriteA few photos of quite different subjects. . .
My favorite lens, 80-200 2.8 D
My newest Macro, 105 2.8 D
my oldest lens, 35 mm 2.8 pre AI
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elefteriadis alexandros
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Hallo Dr Paul.
For my opinion is over contrast and over clarity. If you start with Raw file and you want to make B&W for me the best option is avoiding any gain in microcontrast or clarity sliders.
This make pictures to look flat and contrast without filing of depth, contrary (i use Photoshop when i develop digital files) i make clarity in minus - sometimes even all the way down - and i just use contrast slider to improve blacks.
This give a 3d depth look and the tonality is more rich.
This is of course my opinion!
For my opinion is over contrast and over clarity. If you start with Raw file and you want to make B&W for me the best option is avoiding any gain in microcontrast or clarity sliders.
This make pictures to look flat and contrast without filing of depth, contrary (i use Photoshop when i develop digital files) i make clarity in minus - sometimes even all the way down - and i just use contrast slider to improve blacks.
This give a 3d depth look and the tonality is more rich.
This is of course my opinion!
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Love the symmetry and simplicity of this image. But what I really love is the tones here. Nice range, nothing blown or lost. Nicely done.
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A few photos of quite different subjects. . .
My favorite lens, 80-200 2.8 D
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Thank you for your detailed response. I don't understand it very well, and I don't use PS.
Looking to understand better I tried to see if you had something in a gallery, but you don't
I did find this quote by you, "I shoot only B&W and only film. I use 35mm most of the time because is cost saving contrary to 120 wich i shoot occasionally."
So now I am confused. . . ?
Also, the three photos are quite different and I'm not sure which one is overly contrasty or overly sharp? Could you clarify?
Regardless, I do want to understand and I am confident from your comments that you are very skilled. Could you explain more?
Thank, Paul
elefteriadis alexandros
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Thank you for your clarification.
I suspect from your comments that you find my images over-done. That may be true, and I will take your advice into serious consideration and be careful.
I agree that trying to impress others is not a valid goal.
I would rather someone say, "Ahhh," than say "Wow," to one of my images.
Thanks again,
I suspect from your comments that you find my images over-done. That may be true, and I will take your advice into serious consideration and be careful.
I agree that trying to impress others is not a valid goal.
I would rather someone say, "Ahhh," than say "Wow," to one of my images.
Thanks again,
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This isn't film, it's digital. And I'm thinking your opinion about the images posted here would be in the minority. I certainly disagree with you. Not that I'm someone special, but I do disagree.
Furthermore you come in here like that other camera format guy and post your high class opinion like you're well above us, yet show nothing of your own examples... perhaps so we cold learn from the beauty of such exquisite art?
Sorry buddy we're not noobs here.
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A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into – Ansel Adams
Furthermore you come in here like that other camera format guy and post your high class opinion like you're well above us, yet show nothing of your own examples... perhaps so we cold learn from the beauty of such exquisite art?
Sorry buddy we're not noobs here.
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A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into – Ansel Adams
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elefteriadis alexandros
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Hallo ADMint.
Digital or film is medium, but both of them is photography wich is the target.
I come here because i see a photo critic request in an open forum, so i give opinion to help people, not just to satisfied them.
Those pictures is not bad at all BUT, if you want to help other is better to concentrate in the small problem, (as ones opinion of course), than to tell just how good it is.
About a samples, many times i see peoples complain other if they have the right to tell they'r opinion only from a samples of their works... BUT! hypocritically this happen ONLY if the critic is bad.. So the next time you receive a good critic just look the samples of this particular people and if it is not good refuse they'r opinion also...
I see your angry respond in an open critic request forum, wich is not something strange at all for most people today, and i fill i lost my time here.. So keep your good work in everything you do, you are the best and you no need to improve anything.
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While you are correct in that assumption, I thought the issues you had with the image were a bit over the top. Then you start giving some really basic procedures to a member who's been here awhile, assuming they know noting, while at the same time over dramatizing your perceived issues. To be frank, I completely disagree with your assessment.
But I'm not Dr Paul; I'm just wondering if we have a member here who is being overly critical for no reason. Especially where there's nothing there to validate such criticisms. Where is your body of work?
It's not about giving criticism, it's about being constructive. And I'm not angry, I merely responded to your post.
Anyway you said what you said, and I said what I said.
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elefteriadis alexandros
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Hallo PaulIf its so important to see others work before respect their critic (wich is something wrong any way, because even an ordinary people can appretierte a good artist and can have opinion if they like something or not), i give an example.
Keep in mind this is 35mm scan from 1990, i use medium format but i don't scan it, i just wet printing.
Keep in mind this is 35mm scan from 1990, i use medium format but i don't scan it, i just wet printing.
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Though you directly replied to me, reading the post implies your thoughts were directed at elefteriadis Alexandros? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Having said that, one can always find something to criticize (complain) about in an image (or art in general), but it is not always appropriate to every situation; Especially where subjectivity comes in. Example... I rarely comment negatively on someone's creative use of techniques; unless I see it as an obvious technical flaw - blown highlights, lost shadows.
Someone criticizing just for the sake of criticizing isn't productive, and in fact counterproductive, especially if such criticisms aren't really warranted... I may prefer an image that shows all tones where you may prefer a more darker contrast one. Who's right?
In that context, even though I may "suggest" a lighter tone, it's not going to be in the context of telling them to revaluate their processing techniques because I understand it's a subjective matter, not a technical one. In that case I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the artist since they knew what they were looking for, and especially if they came back to defend their work.
I just think some criticisms are for the sake criticizing because an image was posted. This is not a critique forum, it's a place to show B&W images. Yes, comments and critiques are encouraged, and welcomed, but not for the sake of saying I'm better than you and here's why. And especially where there's no body of work to qualify such an attitude.
My two cents.
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A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into – Ansel Adams
Having said that, one can always find something to criticize (complain) about in an image (or art in general), but it is not always appropriate to every situation; Especially where subjectivity comes in. Example... I rarely comment negatively on someone's creative use of techniques; unless I see it as an obvious technical flaw - blown highlights, lost shadows.
Someone criticizing just for the sake of criticizing isn't productive, and in fact counterproductive, especially if such criticisms aren't really warranted... I may prefer an image that shows all tones where you may prefer a more darker contrast one. Who's right?
In that context, even though I may "suggest" a lighter tone, it's not going to be in the context of telling them to revaluate their processing techniques because I understand it's a subjective matter, not a technical one. In that case I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the artist since they knew what they were looking for, and especially if they came back to defend their work.
I just think some criticisms are for the sake criticizing because an image was posted. This is not a critique forum, it's a place to show B&W images. Yes, comments and critiques are encouraged, and welcomed, but not for the sake of saying I'm better than you and here's why. And especially where there's no body of work to qualify such an attitude.
My two cents.
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A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into – Ansel Adams
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i DID NOT say I needed to see your work to respect your input. Please read it again. Maybe there is a language barrier.
I did say that I did not know which of my photos were problematic, and you still have not said anything.
I appreciate you taking the time to sent your samples. They definitely film, yes. Good photos.
I see in the BWs a very nice gradation of tones and certainly not overly contrasty. I might have dodged and burned differently on the boy at the fence, but that is just opinion.
To be clear, I have tried to understand your points, and I appreciate your sincerity.
Thanks!
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I did say that I did not know which of my photos were problematic, and you still have not said anything.
I appreciate you taking the time to sent your samples. They definitely film, yes. Good photos.
I see in the BWs a very nice gradation of tones and certainly not overly contrasty. I might have dodged and burned differently on the boy at the fence, but that is just opinion.
To be clear, I have tried to understand your points, and I appreciate your sincerity.
Thanks!
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Yes, I replied through you, not to you. . . I don't always do that right. . .
Please see his post with samples and my response.
I appreciate your comments and agree with you.
I'm still learning how to take things at the right level of seriousness, but not take myself too seriously.
Civility and truth can co-exist.
Please see his post with samples and my response.
I appreciate your comments and agree with you.
I'm still learning how to take things at the right level of seriousness, but not take myself too seriously.
Civility and truth can co-exist.
elefteriadis alexandros
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I am sorry Paul but English is not my native language.
Ok, my first post is explain well, i think for my taste is a little over contrast and a bit of over structure, special the second one with leaves. But again its just my opinion.
Ok, my first post is explain well, i think for my taste is a little over contrast and a bit of over structure, special the second one with leaves. But again its just my opinion.
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Cool. I thought that was the case, but...
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