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A6300 Missing Features - Any?

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SFuller123 said:
Extra dials add bulk , touchscreens are a gimmick, go buy n a5100 if you want a toy camera
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Touchscreen a gimmick? Are you kidding me? You have clearly not used one. The ability to move the AF point quickly and accurately while looking through the EVF is immensely useful. Moving the AF point using buttons is pretty much useless. And during video or when you're on a tripod and already framed... oh, man, I can't even begin to express how useful a touchscreen is.

But sure, if you never used it you never moved the AF point (because it's a PITA), so you don't know what you're missing. Just don't come saying that it's a gimmick then.
 
Having such a great tool, but unable to touch the screen to move the AF point while filming, is really a big design miss!

Ergonomics are pretty poor, and now that the insides are really good, comes the time to work on the outside. On the A6300s perhaps?

Arizona Sunset said:
Let's get this thread started. I'll probably upgrade to the A6300 in due course, but it's not an immediate trigger pull for me.

I'm not entirely sure, but it appears to be missing some compelling feature sets:
  • IBIS?
  • 1080p 120fps?
  • Touch screen?
What else?
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Maklike Tier said:
I'm a current M43 shooter, but Sony is being very, very innovative at the moment which is impressive.
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Huh? WHAT is innovative of Sony here?? They have more of the same. That's progress for sure, but innovation it certainly is not. Almost the opposite of innovation.
 
SFuller123 said:
IBIS makes things big and bulky (and if it's not, then it's compromised IBIS, and not worth having).
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You mean like the amazing IBIS in Olympus cameras make them so big and bulky? Oh, wait, they are actually very small.. Hmm...
 
I think its fair to say theres a lot of hate here for the A6300! Even tho it shows that Sony is still committed to the APS-C format! Yes its just a tighter imagining of the A6000. No you shouldnt upgrade from A6000 if you recently bought it! But it brings a few things that would really help the prosumer out there still waiting to pull the trigger!

£700 small camera
4K video with S Log and 120fps/1080
Predicted 1 stop better low light performance
Much improved EVF.
Looks like they may have covered the hot shoe too!
Audio line in finally!

Ok, so its not enough for those of us with A6000, as we wanted IBIS (Not fussed myself, i like the Sony IS lenses), maybe a better sensor, 180 degree touchscreen, and a few people dont like the movie button.

BUT, as i said if you're upgrading from NEX 5 or 7 this might be the one to go for. If you're wanting that second camera to complement your A7R, it could be a good shout.

I wont be upgrading myself, but i was happy to see the announcement!

Less happy to see the 70-200mm i just bought has been superseded by a 2.8 model. but i bet it costs more than the £600 i spent on a new one!
 
Arizona Sunset said:
Arizona Sunset said:
sportyaccordy wrote: LMAO, already????

I would say IBIS would have been nice, as well as filling in the lens gaps.
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You know it! The lens gap is a bummer.

Also, I can't help but think that IBIS would have "helped" ease the lens pain. You could of at least run the FE primes stabilized.
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That is exactly why Sony did not put IBIS in the a6300, it would have been a cheaper, lighter competitor for their a7II. Sony is not going to cut its own throat profits in the FF line.

To the OP:

An EV compensation wheel would have been a great feature for me.

Two new/improved kit lenses.

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Maurice Thaler said:
a feature that my NEX-6 had which was missing on the A6000 was a virtual level. I REALLY miss that feature. I did not see if it was available on the A6300. Did anybody notice?
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oh no... not the "i miss the digital lever" mantra again please

j/k... almost
 
Euell said:
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Entropy512 said:
sportyaccordy said:
The other question comes from the value of 4K just as a video resolution period. For photo editing and computer work- YES! For video on a screen you are going to be sitting >7' away from....?

I don't know if I am buying the crop thing either. You increase noise and aberrations that much more too. I think all of Sony's zooms have OSS- win win. No need to crop, just zoom and take advantage of your sensor.

Crisp 1080p is eye cuttingly sharp for video viewed normally.... I personally don't see the value of 4K video at the moment.

$1150 hurts too. Between this and the X-Pro 2 manufacturers are really doubling down on the early adopter tax.
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For me, it's more about the full sensor readout than 4k. If the camera does 1080p with full readout that's highly beneficial. If it bins 1080p, then just record 4k and downscale later. This will result in a major improvement in 1080p noise performance, even going up against an FF sensor that is disadvantaged by binning.

Right now - A6300 superior for video, A7II superior for stills. Would've been nice not to have to choose.
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You can have both.... but it's gonna cost ya ;-) (A7SII, A7RII)

I think Sony's body strategy is wise. Everyone wants a NEX-7 successor, but there's two problems with that. One a pro crop body is worthless without pro crop glass, and that's just not coming. 2.... you look at other pro crop bodies, and for casual shooters the value proposition is off. If I am a general user and not a sports/wildlife pro, what does a 7D2 or NX1 give me that an A7II or 6D don't? Even lens wise, FE outdoes E in some aspects. 24-70/4 is a better buy than the 16-70 IMO for example.

I think if video is a priority and you don't want to go FF you have to go with those Panasonics personally.
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Of course "it's gonna cost ya" but the right tool for the job, right? Speaking of which, the 24-70 FE may be a better buy than the 16-70, but it's not comparable in focal length covered on an APSC camera. Apples and oranges. If you wanted an orange and paid less for an apple, would it be a bargain? I would suggest not.
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If you are using a 16-70, then yes, a 24-70 will most likely work just fine.
 
the lack of IBIS is an absolute deal breaker for so many.

For over 30 years I used cameras and lenses without any stabilization other than a monopod or tripod when necessary.

I now can use stabilized lenses which I find more than sufficient for longer FLs (200mm and longer) in the vast majority of cases and for the remainder the exposure is so long that stabilization wouldn't help anyway which is when the monopod or tripod comes out.

I also use unstabilized shorter FL lenses (under 200mm) lenses using proper holding techniques with no need for stabilization unless the exposure is so long stabilization wouldn't help anyway which is when the monopod or tripod comes out.
 
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Not so much 'missing' features as ADDED features !!
Has anyone taken much notice of the fact that the A6300 now has TWO Card slots it seems.. one extra for the old Memory Sticks.. that clearly Sony still seem to think as a super feature ... does anybody really use those nowadays.. if so .. for what reason are they considered even remotely as good as the present-day high-quality high-speed SD cards ???

In view of the TWO card slots.. and as I understand it, no difference in the Battery (as on the A6000).. I suppose that really represents more than anything why the A6300 is just a little bit thicker than the A6000. Two SD slots may well have been a better thing.. but I suppose that then would require some changes on the internal circuit boards and maybe upset other things.
 
rjjr said:
the lack of IBIS is an absolute deal breaker for so many.

For over 30 years I used cameras and lenses without any stabilization other than a monopod or tripod when necessary.

I now can use stabilized lenses which I find more than sufficient for longer FLs (200mm and longer) in the vast majority of cases and for the remainder the exposure is so long that stabilization wouldn't help anyway which is when the monopod or tripod comes out.

I also use unstabilized shorter FL lenses (under 200mm) lenses using proper holding techniques with no need for stabilization unless the exposure is so long stabilization wouldn't help anyway which is when the monopod or tripod comes out.
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Exactly so .. I've wondered this for a very long time..just WHY there is of late the great anxiety on finding cameras with IBIS or anything like it when what is far better is to learn just how to hold a camera and take a good stable shot. In the good old days of film it was literally a necessity and you quickly learned to hold a camera properly as you simply didn't get a decent shot otherwise.. and with such as 12 chances on the camera in many cases it was an added unnecessary expense apart from the disappointment. Nowadays it seems that even holding a camera with one hand is thought of as quite acceptable.. it just isn't the right way to make yourself a decent photographer .. but alas nowadays shots are cheap and many just don't care if they have 9/10ths of their pics pretty poor it seems..
 
SFuller123 said:
SFuller123 said:
Ergonomically

I like the fact they have added a AF/MF button, something that annoys me on the A6000

But :-

Still only the 1 dial plus rotating D-PAd - surely another dial would not go amiss

Still only 2 customization buttons - Need another 2

What has Sony got against touch screens anyway?
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ericN2 said:
rjjr said:
the lack of IBIS is an absolute deal breaker for so many.

For over 30 years I used cameras and lenses without any stabilization other than a monopod or tripod when necessary.

I now can use stabilized lenses which I find more than sufficient for longer FLs (200mm and longer) in the vast majority of cases and for the remainder the exposure is so long that stabilization wouldn't help anyway which is when the monopod or tripod comes out.

I also use unstabilized shorter FL lenses (under 200mm) lenses using proper holding techniques with no need for stabilization unless the exposure is so long stabilization wouldn't help anyway which is when the monopod or tripod comes out.
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Exactly so .. I've wondered this for a very long time..just WHY there is of late the great anxiety on finding cameras with IBIS or anything like it when what is far better is to learn just how to hold a camera and take a good stable shot. In the good old days of film it was literally a necessity and you quickly learned to hold a camera properly as you simply didn't get a decent shot otherwise.. and with such as 12 chances on the camera in many cases it was an added unnecessary expense apart from the disappointment. Nowadays it seems that even holding a camera with one hand is thought of as quite acceptable.. it just isn't the right way to make yourself a decent photographer .. but alas nowadays shots are cheap and many just don't care if they have 9/10ths of their pics pretty poor it seems..
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ericN2 said:
Not so much 'missing' features as ADDED features !!
Has anyone taken much notice of the fact that the A6300 now has TWO Card slots it seems.. one extra for the old Memory Sticks.. that clearly Sony still seem to think as a super feature ... does anybody really use those nowadays.. if so .. for what reason are they considered even remotely as good as the present-day high-quality high-speed SD cards ???
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Really? I thought the Memory Stick went the way of Beta-Max.
 
Actually neither do I, sure IBIS is great to have, but its not like its going to made or break the camera .. and seriously at all the long Tele focal range, IBIS had limitation that simply made it less effective than in lens IS. Even the most avid IBIS Mfr , Olympus , recognize that, and bring out their new 300mm with viola, in lens IS. Panasonic go further by making both in lens and in body IS to work together.

Sufficient to say , there are loads of things that's more important and needed for the APS-C E mount than IBIS .. say for complementary to that god awesome FE 28-135/4.0 OSS, we really need a lens of same caliber and performance, build in some form say 14-28/4.0 OSS, or all the long Tele FE ( Sony get us the no nonsense FE 400mm/5.6 OSS )
 
Curious that, as of yesterday, many current Sony APSC owners seem to have decided that they can't live without something that they already are living without:

-touch screen

-IBIS

-More/better APSC lenses

To whatever extent that these are problems, they are not new problems. But it seems they became deal-breakers in the last 24 hours. =) No IBIS! The sky is falling!

Every camera line has its strengths and shortcomings. Nothing Sony does is going to change that. It's fantastic that we have so many compelling choices, and for some, it may be time to move on. Instead of hang around and bellyache.
 
DezM said:
I do alot of shooting of low light cityscapes and got tired of manually focusing or using DMF which isn't always reliable.
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Eh, sonny, back in the day there was only manual focus and great things were done with it. Now, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

:-D
 
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rjjr said:
ericN2 said:
Not so much 'missing' features as ADDED features !!
Has anyone taken much notice of the fact that the A6300 now has TWO Card slots it seems.. one extra for the old Memory Sticks.. that clearly Sony still seem to think as a super feature ... does anybody really use those nowadays.. if so .. for what reason are they considered even remotely as good as the present-day high-quality high-speed SD cards ???
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Really? I thought the Memory Stick went the way of Beta-Max.
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In real life terms it probably did but Sony seem to close their eyes to the fact.
But how ridiculous can you get when Sony produce what is technical a new camera quite certainly bristling with new and worthy features, not the least of which they emphasise is ultra-fast shooting/AF etc.. is a Memory Stick really the useful thing to put on a camera offering superfast speed of use.. can a MemStick really write that fast ?????

Exactly what IS the use of a MemStick on the A6300 ???
 
120 to 35 said:
Touch screen is almost a must for video.

IBIS adds quite a lot to size and weight. A full-frame body in rangefinder form with IBIS would be more appropriate as the feature can be used more effectively with legacy and converted lenses.
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I disagree on both counts:

1 - Sony's IBIS just moves the sensor, its a pretty small bit of extra mechanics.

2 - I'd agree if some of the best / most useful Sony/Zeiss lenses weren't without OSS.

I don't want to buy a SEL55F18Z and waste 4 f-stops because neither my camera nor my lens is stabilized.

Waiting for a7000 in hopes for IBIS - or A7S III in hopes of video AF that doesn't stink.
 
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