Someone who already has a suitable adapter might be happy enough to buy your lens for the price you paid for it - but first give it a careful external clean.Thanks for that. Cheapest by far, but still really pricey (especially with the Canadian dollar). In the end it would still make more sense for me just to get the m39 mount version, I think. Sucks but oh well.
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My Jupiter 8 just arrived - missing part?
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Outsideyourworld
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That's what i'm hoping. I'll try the local craigslist. There has to be ONE person who doesn't want to wait for the shipping times from Russia, eh?
From the little dings around it I imagine that it has been rumbled about in a box with other camera bodies and parts. This might have made some microscopic scratches on the lens elemens as well. But it does look in about the condition you might expect a lens in the price bracket you paid.I just gave it a bit of a cleanup. In my (very novice) eyes, it doesn't seem so bad:
If you open up the aperture and shine a small torch through the lens you will get a better idea of the state of the glass. Don't expect wonders in cheap lens and if it is not truly awful it may still work quite well. Such treatment shows up dust, haze and fungus. Little bubbles and minor scratches are usually of not of any real consequence. Small amounts of dust in any old lens are normal. Flaking internal coating is not so good.
No bent filter ring here. But bent filter rings, other than very tiny repaired knocks, turns any afflicted lens into "spare parts" as far as I am concerned as a bent filter ring is almost impossible to repair to reasonable cosmetic standards - although the lens can usually still be used.
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Quite true, I am still waiting on a couple of lenses bought from Russia on 16 December last - even the Ukraine guys managed to get theirs delivered two weeks ago. Buy from Japan - five days to my door.
But I suppose it is truly winter in Moscow.
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Damn - now I'm looking for a silver Jupiter 8 on eBay. You guys are not helping at all.
The discussion about silver variants is interesting. Ideally I'd like one that has some patina but is not grotty. I've been tempted before by the cleaned and polished ones but they're somehow not so authentic. Dunno why - daft really as it's the IQ that matters and you can't tell that from the state of the metalwork.
The one I have (see earlier pic I posted) looks like a later variant but with no lens coating I can detect. The barrel text is in English and serial number starts with 012 does anyone have any clue as to age ?
The discussion about silver variants is interesting. Ideally I'd like one that has some patina but is not grotty. I've been tempted before by the cleaned and polished ones but they're somehow not so authentic. Dunno why - daft really as it's the IQ that matters and you can't tell that from the state of the metalwork.
The one I have (see earlier pic I posted) looks like a later variant but with no lens coating I can detect. The barrel text is in English and serial number starts with 012 does anyone have any clue as to age ?
The earlier lenses are easy to date - my serial # starts 58... so it was made in 1958
I think your one is from 1970-71 when they changed the serial number system and lost the date prefix. Apparently they didn't start the new numbering with 00 because that used to denote 'special' lenses.
This is a useful resource about the various J8 lenses: http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?-1424201095
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widgetbox
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Useful resource thanks. Can't see one to match up with mine but filed for reference when I go hunting an earlier one.
Richard, I don't think it is a variant as such as it is the shape of all the later made lenses. By the numbering (the first two digits are supposed to be the year of manufacture) it would be 2001 made. However I don't know if Jupiter 8 lenses were being made that late. I have two bought recently "for parts" from the Ukraine and they also both have serials starting "01". They are in usable condition but not particularly brilliant condition - I have genuinely "older" Jupiter 8's which are in really good condition. But I guess a lot can happen to a lens in 15 years.
The truth is that I don't know, I seem to recollect that there was a post I read somewhere that "a factory" was using its own set serial numbering system.
My fairly reliable Princelle source says this shape was made in silver c1965 to 1970 and in black anodised finish c1976-1992. The earlier silver only shape was made 1950 to (presumably) 1965 (Princelle says "until 1992" but must be referring to the entire production life of the Jupiter-8).
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Zeiss, Nikkor, and other lenses are cheaper in Contax mount, it works out to be cheaper after you buy a few lenses. Looks respectable after the cleaning.I just gave it a bit of a cleanup. In my (very novice) eyes, it doesn't seem so bad:
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Outsideyourworld
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Have someone messaging me on craigslist about it, asking if it is an "M" mount for a rangefinder. I wouldn't know how to tell?
No, the one you bought was a Contax RF mount. The "M" mount is the threaded mount you should have bought yourself - also known as M39 (after the thread width) or LTM (Leica thread mount) or sometimes LSM (Leica Screw Mount).
I don't think that your potential purchaser is looking for the Contax RF mount.
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Damn. Thanks again ;D
On the plus side, I won an Industar-22 for about $30 Canadian, shipped, the other day. Comes with the lens cover, hood, and all that.... With the right mount.
On the plus side, I won an Industar-22 for about $30 Canadian, shipped, the other day. Comes with the lens cover, hood, and all that.... With the right mount.
Lightshow
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True, though more accurately it's Kiev mount which is a copy of the Contax RF mount, which is also copied by the Nikon S mount.
I'm sorry to say, that's incorrect, M mount is a bayonet mount.
Its identified by the 4 tabs, most all lens mounts use 3 tabs for the mount.
M39 is not my preferred way to refer to Leica screw mount lenses(though many do), because not all M39 lenses will work on a Leica camera, I stick to Leica screw mount(LSM), or L39 to reduce confusion.
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jarek leo
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A write at a Polish photography blog. Check my article about making the adapter to focus the original German version of the lens on Sony A7 using a broken Kiev camera, It's in Polish but photos should be self-explanatory:
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Outsideyourworld
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I thought about doing this, and figured someone MUST have. That is a very cool little workaround. I might try this.
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Anytime. Feel free to ask if anything is not quite clear.
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It was a Contax mount from the Contax cameras taken as reparations after WWII. That it was used on Kiev branded Contax clone cameras afterwards gives it a serious claim to be called a Kiev mount as well - I don't know if it was ever changed when used on the Kiev Contax clone and its further development. But it does leave itself open to be confused with the medium format Kiev mount also used on Salyut Hasselblad clones which I think may also be related to the Pentacon Six, but I am hazy on that subject and am happy for further clarifying comment.
You are quite correct in a technical way - although I personally like to call it "LM" for Leica M. Where I was "confused" was that the FSU industry never used the LM mount and therefore the only "M" mount that was possible for the Jupiter-8 was the M39/LTM/LSM variety (all of which have "M" in their definition) which seems to be more commonly called M39 in FSU sources. Not to be confused with the slr Zenit M39 which is something quite different.
I thought the query was being directed by someone who knew the difference between Contax and M39 and therefore was presumably using M as "shorthand". M39 to LM adapters as shown below are common and easily obtained if arguably expensive for such a sliver of metal. Perhaps it is the tricky machining and the need for harder than aluminium material necessary for their construction?
Yes it is confusing and as the terms are used interchangeably we all have to understand the alternatives. I prefer LTM (Leica Thread Mount) myself, M39 risks confusion with Zenit M39 and LSM seems more popularly used in Japan. However those selling lenses can use any of these definitions .... and sometimes all of them.
M39 is not my preferred way to refer to Leica screw mount lenses(though many do), because not all M39 lenses will work on a Leica camera, I stick to Leica screw mount(LSM), or L39 to reduce confusion.
It is better to know what mount types were used with various lens types - in the FSU they only used M39/LTM/LSM/L39 or Contax/Kiev RF for RF style lenses. Zenit M39 or M42 for slr style lenses - although some later production could have PK or Nikon mounts. Then there were the various medium format mounts for Kiev/Salyut & Pentacon 6? which I have not made a study of and the various movie camera mounts of which subject I am very vague. There are probably others that I have no knowledge of at all.
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