Confused about the new Olympus 300 PRO lens

At the moment there are a number of choices for FF dSLR users to get a the angle of view that the 300 gives on m4/3:

1 - Use a 300mm lens and crop the image, bringing image noise up past the level you will get on m4/3 and dropping the resolution below m4/3 levels whilst using a lens which isn't optimised for coverage of that area of sensor.
It is true that one can crop 300mm on FF to the same framing as 300mm on mFT. This will result in the photos being made with the same amount of light, but fewer pixels on the subject for FF. However, we would be cropping out the central portion of the photo, and the lens most certainly is "optimized for coverage of that area of the sensor" in that lenses *always* perform better in the middle 25% than the outer 75%.
2 - use 300mm lens and a 2x teleconverter which will reduce the max aperture by 2 stops and take a very heavy toll on image quality, both due to the increased ISO required and the optical defects which are magnified by the teleconverter.
Cropping has the same effect as using a TC. The only difference is that the TC introduces optical aberrations whereas cropping costs pixels. Whether cropping or using a TC, the photos would be made with the same amount of light, it's just that the electronic noise from the sensor and supporting hardware will be a bit less with the higher ISO setting. In every example I have ever seen of TC vs cropping, the TC comes out on top.
3 - Use a something to 600mm zoom lens, with correspondingly poorer image quality at the long end.
Alternatively, use a 400mm lens, 500mm lens, or 100-400 zoom and crop correspondingly less.
4- Re-mortgage your house, join a gym and purchase a 600mm lens.
Or get a 70-300 on a Nikon 1 and get a significantly smaller, lighter, and less expensive setup still that will allow you to zoom both wider and longer.
Personally, none of those options appeal to me as much as using the 300mm Olympus on m4/3. But each to their own I guess.
Indeed -- all options have pluses and minuses, so it's great to have the available choices!
 
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At the moment there are a number of choices for FF dSLR users to get a the angle of view that the 300 gives on m4/3:

1 - Use a 300mm lens and crop the image, bringing image noise up past the level you will get on m4/3 and dropping the resolution below m4/3 levels whilst using a lens which isn't optimised for coverage of that area of sensor.
It is true that one can crop 300mm on FF to the same framing as 300mm on mFT. This will result in the photos being made with the same amount of light, but fewer pixels on the subject for FF. However, we would be cropping out the central portion of the photo, and the lens most certainly is "optimized for coverage of that area of the sensor" in that lenses *always* perform better in the middle 25% than the outer 75%.
But a lens designed only to cover that central area has not had to be compromised in any way just to retain image quality in the bits you are cropping out.
2 - use 300mm lens and a 2x teleconverter which will reduce the max aperture by 2 stops and take a very heavy toll on image quality, both due to the increased ISO required and the optical defects which are magnified by the teleconverter.
Cropping has the same effect as using a TC. The only difference is that the TC introduces optical aberrations whereas cropping costs pixels. Whether cropping or using a TC, the photos would be made with the same amount of light, it's just that the electronic noise from the sensor and supporting hardware will be a bit less with the higher ISO setting. In every example I have ever seen of TC vs cropping, the TC comes out on top.
with a 2x TC at the image edges I have found quite the opposite. And the effect on focus performance of a 2x TC is horrible.
3 - Use a something to 600mm zoom lens, with correspondingly poorer image quality at the long end.
Alternatively, use a 400mm lens, 500mm lens, or 100-400 zoom and crop correspondingly less.
And get correspondingly more bulky. That was what this thread was about wasn't it?
4- Re-mortgage your house, join a gym and purchase a 600mm lens.
Or get a 70-300 on a Nikon 1 and get a significantly smaller, lighter, and less expensive setup still that will allow you to zoom both wider and longer.
Indeed. Going with a smaller sensor has benefits doesn't it... Although the Nikon 1 70-300 is not as good optically as the Olympus 300 judging by the reviews. I had a Nikon V2 for several years and it was actually a very nice little camera, although control ergonomics and lens build quality for some of the lenses was poor. Interestingly one of the big benefits of the Nikon 1 was being able to use Standard Nikkor lenses on it with full autofocus. Not quite as sharp as the 1 nikkor lenses which were designed for the system, but gave great telephoto reach. Big lenses on a small sensor camera (where have I heard that option recently :-) )
Personally, none of those options appeal to me as much as using the 300mm Olympus on m4/3. But each to their own I guess.
Indeed -- all options have pluses and minuses, so it's great to have the available choices!
Totally agreed!

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At the moment there are a number of choices for FF dSLR users to get a the angle of view that the 300 gives on m4/3:

1 - Use a 300mm lens and crop the image, bringing image noise up past the level you will get on m4/3 and dropping the resolution below m4/3 levels whilst using a lens which isn't optimised for coverage of that area of sensor.
It is true that one can crop 300mm on FF to the same framing as 300mm on mFT. This will result in the photos being made with the same amount of light, but fewer pixels on the subject for FF. However, we would be cropping out the central portion of the photo, and the lens most certainly is "optimized for coverage of that area of the sensor" in that lenses *always* perform better in the middle 25% than the outer 75%.
But a lens designed only to cover that central area has not had to be compromised in any way just to retain image quality in the bits you are cropping out.
I'm not saying that the central 25% of any existing FF 300 / 4 resolves as well as the whole of the frame for the Olympus 300 / 4. I'm simply saying that the central 25% of a FF lens does resolve better than the outer 75%.
2 - use 300mm lens and a 2x teleconverter which will reduce the max aperture by 2 stops and take a very heavy toll on image quality, both due to the increased ISO required and the optical defects which are magnified by the teleconverter.
Cropping has the same effect as using a TC. The only difference is that the TC introduces optical aberrations whereas cropping costs pixels. Whether cropping or using a TC, the photos would be made with the same amount of light, it's just that the electronic noise from the sensor and supporting hardware will be a bit less with the higher ISO setting. In every example I have ever seen of TC vs cropping, the TC comes out on top.
with a 2x TC at the image edges I have found quite the opposite.
Perhaps this is often the case at the edges. However, for the central 50% at the very least, a TC significantly outperforms cropping.
And the effect on focus performance of a 2x TC is horrible.
I know for DSLRs with PDAF, there's quite an issue with that (few DSLRs can even AF at f/8). For FF mirrorless (e.g. Sony A7RII), I wonder how much of a toll it takes.
3 - Use a something to 600mm zoom lens, with correspondingly poorer image quality at the long end.
Alternatively, use a 400mm lens, 500mm lens, or 100-400 zoom and crop correspondingly less.
And get correspondingly more bulky. That was what this thread was about wasn't it?
Absolutely. Just saying that there's a whole slew of intermediate options available.
4- Re-mortgage your house, join a gym and purchase a 600mm lens.
Or get a 70-300 on a Nikon 1 and get a significantly smaller, lighter, and less expensive setup still that will allow you to zoom both wider and longer.
Indeed. Going with a smaller sensor has benefits doesn't it... Although the Nikon 1 70-300 is not as good optically as the Olympus 300 judging by the reviews.
If the Nikon 70-300 / 4.5-5.6 were as good as the Olympus 300 / 4, Olympus would be in trouble. ;-)
I had a Nikon V2 for several years and it was actually a very nice little camera, although control ergonomics and lens build quality for some of the lenses was poor. Interestingly one of the big benefits of the Nikon 1 was being able to use Standard Nikkor lenses on it with full autofocus. Not quite as sharp as the 1 nikkor lenses which were designed for the system, but gave great telephoto reach. Big lenses on a small sensor camera (where have I heard that option recently :-) )
Indeed. I wish Nikon would put more effort into their 1" system.
Personally, none of those options appeal to me as much as using the 300mm Olympus on m4/3. But each to their own I guess.
Indeed -- all options have pluses and minuses, so it's great to have the available choices!
Totally agreed!
It would be nice, though, to get something for nothing, wouldn't it? ;-)
 
Oh, Hi Pete!
Hey all -- longtime Nikon user here (D800E), recently decided to downsize to an E-M5II and a small set of Olympus lenses (including the 12-40 and 40-150). I'm very happy so far with that decision - smaller camera bags, smaller lighter lenses that are still excellent, high res mode when needed, etc.

One thing that has me really confused is the new 300/4 lens. Yes, it's getting great reviews, but I thought the whole point of m43 was smaller and lighter?
Yes. M4/3 gives you the option to go smaller and lighter.
At the cost of less DOF control, more noise and more diffraction blur in most shooting situations (but not shooting situations constrained WRT both DOF and shutter speed in the range of an m43 lens). This is a cost a lot of people are or should be willing to pay.
My EM1 with 14-150 gives me a walkaround camera which is a fraction of the size and weight of my old D800 with a lens of the same focal length range on it. The latest pro lenses also give you the additional option to go long with extremely high quality glass if you wish.

Even opting for the pro lens options gives a significant saving in weight:

My D800 kit (with vertical grip) consisted of 14-24 f2.8, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200f2.8, 80-400AFS, Sigma 150 macro and SB910 flash. The kit was so bulky I could only carry it in a camera rucksack and when fully loaded that weighed just under 9kg.

My EM1 kit (with vertical grip) consists of 7-14 f2.8, 12-40 f2.8, 40-150 f2.8, 75-300, 60mm macro and FL600 flash. This fits into a relatively small shoulder bag which when fully loaded weighs just under 3.5kg.
Well of course it is "expected and not confusing" that the Olympus kit weighs a lot less than the listed Nikon kit, for the same reason it is not surprising that the Oly 300mm f/4 weighs about the same as a Nikon or Canon conventional 300mm f/4. The Oly is far less capable. Compare like to like and the size and weight differences become immaterial. In fact you can often get superior performance out of a Nikon (or Canon) kit at similar size and weight of lenses.

If you were to substitute the Nikkor 16-35mm f/4 VR, the 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 VR, the 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 VR and the TC-20E II for the first four Nikkors you listed, you'd find that you had four lenses that covered the same range as the Olympus kit (except 7mm) usually with the option of less DOF, noise and diffraction blur at any given FoV, less need to change lenses because of the focal range overlaps, and higher image sharpness at almost all FoV/DoF combinations (measured in lw/ph) on the D800 than you get with the first four Oly lenses on the E-M1. (Well, maybe not your D800, Pete. Didn't you say you had a poor copy?) Oh, and the four Nikkor lenses would weigh less in total than those four Oly lenses (by an insignificant amount).

If Nikon bothered to make FF lenses as limited in shooting envelope as even the Oly "PRO" lenses, they'd probably be smaller and lighter. Even Nikon's kit grade lenses like the 24-85 VR, can get superior results on current FF sensors compared to Oly's best on an E-M1. (I don't think the Nikon kit lens on 24MP sensors can quite match an Oly PRO lens on the new 20MP Panasonic body, but it surpasses the Pany when mounted on D8x0).)

Yes, Oly lenses are optically sharper than Nikkors wide open, but when you stop down a Nikkor kit like the 24-85 to equivalent DoF and put it in front of a 36MP FF sensor, the Nikon system usually produces a sharper image. And if you don't stop it down quite so far, it produces less noise and less diffraction blur, which also affects perception of sharpness.
Here are a few numbers for comparison:

Olympus 300/4 PRO: 52 ounces, 93mm wide, 227mm long

Nikon 300/4 AF-S: 51 ounces, 89mm wide, 224mm long

Nikon 300/4 PF VR: 27 ounces, 89mm wide, 148mm long
This is completely as expected and totally NOT confusing. The Olympus and Nikon lenses are very similar dimensions and weights, particularly when you consider the Olympus has IS built in to it. The latest Nikon is not a conventional optical lens and like any Phase Fresnel lens offers significant size and weight savings at the expense of slight image quality restrictions over what is possible with a conventional design.

There will never be significant size advantages with telephoto lenses of similar focal length unless a totally different optical approach is used (e.g. Phase Fresnel). The main saving in size and weight will come with the normal or wide angle focal lengths.
Mostly correct. M43 already offers size and weight advantages in telephoto lenses when those lenses have narrower maximum aperture diameters than FF lenses of similar focal length.
But as I demonstrated earlier. M4/3s continues to offer significant size and weight savings for the system as a whole. It now offers long, wide aperture telephoto lenses as well.
All my dSLR lenses have wider maximum aperture diameter at same FoV as your listed m43 lenses. Since my main reasons for shooting wide open are trying to limit DoF and/or maximize light on the sensor, I have a hard time thinking of m43 f/2.8 lenses as being "wide aperture". They cannot do what I want a wide aperture to do.
 
At the moment there are a number of choices for FF dSLR users to get a the angle of view that the 300 gives on m4/3:

1 - Use a 300mm lens and crop the image, bringing image noise up past the level you will get on m4/3 and dropping the resolution below m4/3 levels whilst using a lens which isn't optimised for coverage of that area of sensor.
It is true that one can crop 300mm on FF to the same framing as 300mm on mFT. This will result in the photos being made with the same amount of light, but fewer pixels on the subject for FF. However, we would be cropping out the central portion of the photo, and the lens most certainly is "optimized for coverage of that area of the sensor" in that lenses *always* perform better in the middle 25% than the outer 75%.
But a lens designed only to cover that central area has not had to be compromised in any way just to retain image quality in the bits you are cropping out.
I'm not saying that the central 25% of any existing FF 300 / 4 resolves as well as the whole of the frame for the Olympus 300 / 4. I'm simply saying that the central 25% of a FF lens does resolve better than the outer 75%.
2 - use 300mm lens and a 2x teleconverter which will reduce the max aperture by 2 stops and take a very heavy toll on image quality, both due to the increased ISO required and the optical defects which are magnified by the teleconverter.
Cropping has the same effect as using a TC. The only difference is that the TC introduces optical aberrations whereas cropping costs pixels. Whether cropping or using a TC, the photos would be made with the same amount of light, it's just that the electronic noise from the sensor and supporting hardware will be a bit less with the higher ISO setting. In every example I have ever seen of TC vs cropping, the TC comes out on top.
with a 2x TC at the image edges I have found quite the opposite.
Perhaps this is often the case at the edges. However, for the central 50% at the very least, a TC significantly outperforms cropping.
And the effect on focus performance of a 2x TC is horrible.
I know for DSLRs with PDAF, there's quite an issue with that (few DSLRs can even AF at f/8). For FF mirrorless (e.g. Sony A7RII), I wonder how much of a toll it takes.
Never used the Sony so can't answer that definitively, but you are putting 2ev less light on the focus points, so it can't be as good in lower lighting levels.
3 - Use a something to 600mm zoom lens, with correspondingly poorer image quality at the long end.
Alternatively, use a 400mm lens, 500mm lens, or 100-400 zoom and crop correspondingly less.
And get correspondingly more bulky. That was what this thread was about wasn't it?
Absolutely. Just saying that there's a whole slew of intermediate options available.
4- Re-mortgage your house, join a gym and purchase a 600mm lens.
Or get a 70-300 on a Nikon 1 and get a significantly smaller, lighter, and less expensive setup still that will allow you to zoom both wider and longer.
Indeed. Going with a smaller sensor has benefits doesn't it... Although the Nikon 1 70-300 is not as good optically as the Olympus 300 judging by the reviews.
If the Nikon 70-300 / 4.5-5.6 were as good as the Olympus 300 / 4, Olympus would be in trouble. ;-)
I had a Nikon V2 for several years and it was actually a very nice little camera, although control ergonomics and lens build quality for some of the lenses was poor. Interestingly one of the big benefits of the Nikon 1 was being able to use Standard Nikkor lenses on it with full autofocus. Not quite as sharp as the 1 nikkor lenses which were designed for the system, but gave great telephoto reach. Big lenses on a small sensor camera (where have I heard that option recently :-) )
Indeed. I wish Nikon would put more effort into their 1" system.
Personally, none of those options appeal to me as much as using the 300mm Olympus on m4/3. But each to their own I guess.
Indeed -- all options have pluses and minuses, so it's great to have the available choices!
Totally agreed!
It would be nice, though, to get something for nothing, wouldn't it? ;-)
 
And the effect on focus performance of a 2x TC is horrible.
I know for DSLRs with PDAF, there's quite an issue with that (few DSLRs can even AF at f/8). For FF mirrorless (e.g. Sony A7RII), I wonder how much of a toll it takes.
Never used the Sony so can't answer that definitively, but you are putting 2ev less light on the focus points, so it can't be as good in lower lighting levels.
A 300 / 4 + 2x TC on FF puts the same amount of light on the focus points as a 300 / 4 on mFT, assuming, of course, that the focus points cover the same proportion of the scene.
 
The CX 70-300 only weighs 550 grams and costs $ 1000 tops ,I would not expect it to match a lens that weighs 3X as much and costs 2.5X as much. As a consumer not even an enthusiastic hobbyist when it comes to spending Tamron and Sigma and others offer lots of FX and DX choices in 70-300 f/4-f/5.6 some with OS from $ 150-300-500 for my DX cam if I ever want to go longer than I do now. Also they are typically 500-600 grams. That CX lens=810mm on Nikon 1 cam. I wonder how many pros who are the people the 300mm f/4 is meant for actually use a 12 bit sensor for the kind of purpose that lens is meant for. As far back as 2011 D5100 had 14 bit. 4/3 sensor has not changed much even with GX8.
 
And the effect on focus performance of a 2x TC is horrible.
I know for DSLRs with PDAF, there's quite an issue with that (few DSLRs can even AF at f/8). For FF mirrorless (e.g. Sony A7RII), I wonder how much of a toll it takes.
The E5 could focus at f8 with the center focus points with no problem, even for moving targets. The E-M1 focus the E14+70-300 (f8) about the same with the EC14 as with the lens at f5.6.







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It will do what a 600mm does on full frame in terms of reach and exposure time but will deliver more DOF.

so in terms of size compare it to a 600mm f 5.6 or something similar.
 
And the effect on focus performance of a 2x TC is horrible.
I know for DSLRs with PDAF, there's quite an issue with that (few DSLRs can even AF at f/8). For FF mirrorless (e.g. Sony A7RII), I wonder how much of a toll it takes.
Never used the Sony so can't answer that definitively, but you are putting 2ev less light on the focus points, so it can't be as good in lower lighting levels.
A 300 / 4 + 2x TC on FF puts the same amount of light on the focus points as a 300 / 4 on mFT, assuming, of course, that the focus points cover the same proportion of the scene.
No it doesn't. Think of m4/3 as a crop.
 
Oh, Hi Pete!
Hey all -- longtime Nikon user here (D800E), recently decided to downsize to an E-M5II and a small set of Olympus lenses (including the 12-40 and 40-150). I'm very happy so far with that decision - smaller camera bags, smaller lighter lenses that are still excellent, high res mode when needed, etc.

One thing that has me really confused is the new 300/4 lens. Yes, it's getting great reviews, but I thought the whole point of m43 was smaller and lighter?
Yes. M4/3 gives you the option to go smaller and lighter.
At the cost of less DOF control, more noise and more diffraction blur in most shooting situations (but not shooting situations constrained WRT both DOF and shutter speed in the range of an m43 lens). This is a cost a lot of people are or should be willing to pay.
My EM1 with 14-150 gives me a walkaround camera which is a fraction of the size and weight of my old D800 with a lens of the same focal length range on it. The latest pro lenses also give you the additional option to go long with extremely high quality glass if you wish.

Even opting for the pro lens options gives a significant saving in weight:

My D800 kit (with vertical grip) consisted of 14-24 f2.8, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200f2.8, 80-400AFS, Sigma 150 macro and SB910 flash. The kit was so bulky I could only carry it in a camera rucksack and when fully loaded that weighed just under 9kg.

My EM1 kit (with vertical grip) consists of 7-14 f2.8, 12-40 f2.8, 40-150 f2.8, 75-300, 60mm macro and FL600 flash. This fits into a relatively small shoulder bag which when fully loaded weighs just under 3.5kg.
Well of course it is "expected and not confusing" that the Olympus kit weighs a lot less than the listed Nikon kit, for the same reason it is not surprising that the Oly 300mm f/4 weighs about the same as a Nikon or Canon conventional 300mm f/4. The Oly is far less capable. Compare like to like and the size and weight differences become immaterial. In fact you can often get superior performance out of a Nikon (or Canon) kit at similar size and weight of lenses.

If you were to substitute the Nikkor 16-35mm f/4 VR, the 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 VR, the 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 VR and the TC-20E II for the first four Nikkors you listed, you'd find that you had four lenses that covered the same range as the Olympus kit (except 7mm) usually with the option of less DOF, noise and diffraction blur at any given FoV, less need to change lenses because of the focal range overlaps, and higher image sharpness at almost all FoV/DoF combinations (measured in lw/ph) on the D800 than you get with the first four Oly lenses on the E-M1. (Well, maybe not your D800, Pete. Didn't you say you had a poor copy?) Oh, and the four Nikkor lenses would weigh less in total than those four Oly lenses (by an insignificant amount).

If Nikon bothered to make FF lenses as limited in shooting envelope as even the Oly "PRO" lenses, they'd probably be smaller and lighter. Even Nikon's kit grade lenses like the 24-85 VR, can get superior results on current FF sensors compared to Oly's best on an E-M1. (I don't think the Nikon kit lens on 24MP sensors can quite match an Oly PRO lens on the new 20MP Panasonic body, but it surpasses the Pany when mounted on D8x0).)

Yes, Oly lenses are optically sharper than Nikkors wide open, but when you stop down a Nikkor kit like the 24-85 to equivalent DoF and put it in front of a 36MP FF sensor, the Nikon system usually produces a sharper image. And if you don't stop it down quite so far, it produces less noise and less diffraction blur, which also affects perception of sharpness.
Here are a few numbers for comparison:

Olympus 300/4 PRO: 52 ounces, 93mm wide, 227mm long

Nikon 300/4 AF-S: 51 ounces, 89mm wide, 224mm long

Nikon 300/4 PF VR: 27 ounces, 89mm wide, 148mm long
This is completely as expected and totally NOT confusing. The Olympus and Nikon lenses are very similar dimensions and weights, particularly when you consider the Olympus has IS built in to it. The latest Nikon is not a conventional optical lens and like any Phase Fresnel lens offers significant size and weight savings at the expense of slight image quality restrictions over what is possible with a conventional design.

There will never be significant size advantages with telephoto lenses of similar focal length unless a totally different optical approach is used (e.g. Phase Fresnel). The main saving in size and weight will come with the normal or wide angle focal lengths.
Mostly correct. M43 already offers size and weight advantages in telephoto lenses when those lenses have narrower maximum aperture diameters than FF lenses of similar focal length.
But as I demonstrated earlier. M4/3s continues to offer significant size and weight savings for the system as a whole. It now offers long, wide aperture telephoto lenses as well.
All my dSLR lenses have wider maximum aperture diameter at same FoV as your listed m43 lenses. Since my main reasons for shooting wide open are trying to limit DoF and/or maximize light on the sensor, I have a hard time thinking of m43 f/2.8 lenses as being "wide aperture". They cannot do what I want a wide aperture to do.
Why is it that trolls almost never have any images in their gallery and why do they mostly have comments in a Forum unrelated to the cameras they theoretically have? Makes one wonder if they really even have a camera.
 
In short, ain't it great to have options for all the different balance points that people have!
Indeed. Coming from the film generation in which photographers, if able, owned several different formats of cameras-each format affording trade offs of advantages and disadvantages-I find equivalency related arguments to be missing the point. At least to me that's the case, though obviously it can be of great importance to others.

Nowadays it seems people are fixated on the idea of "once size fits all" or "single solution" camera kits. How much of that stems from marketing hype, and how much from a combination of ignorance and hubris on the part of camera buyers, is anyone's guess.

4/3 and m4/3 have worked great for me because of my personal style and the expectations I have of the gear. My choice starts with a preference for a native 4:3 aspect ratio, and goes in a couple of different directions from there. I love using the 50-200 lens for my work, and I love the results I get from it. Even more so now that I have it attached to an EM1.

Yet if I encountered a demand for super low noise, higher resolution concert photos I would have no qualms guying into a Sony A7rii kit. If I suddenly found myself with commercial clients wanting the sort of images produced by a Nikon D810 and Otus primes...well I'd have to send them elsewhere because I can't afford that s*** LOL.

One thing about m4/3-and to a growing extent Sony FE-is that if you do have a stellar lens from other manufacturers, there's a good chance you can find an adapter to let you use it on your m4/3 body. Which means, essentially, that unless absolute sensor or AF performance is a primary concern, arguing about lenses that fit m4/3 vs those from other makers is not that big an issue.
 
I also believe, but cannot state with scientific assurance, that the relative advantage given by imaging on to a smaller sensor reduces as the focal length of the lens increases. In other words a high performing telephoto lens will always be large and in relative size may not offer much advantage when imaging to a 4/3 sensor over one designed to image on to a FF sensor.

If this is true then there is still good reason to consider Canon EF telephoto lenses adapted by electronic adapters to be used full function on M4/3 camera bodies.

I have not compared relative sizes, nor do I propose to do so, but there are still many gaps in the longer telephoto lens line up provided for the M4/3 system and if there are not a lot of physical size compromises then adapting an EF lens might look quite an interesting alternative for some.
 
The CX 70-300 only weighs 550 grams and costs $ 1000 tops ,I would not expect it to match a lens that weighs 3X as much and costs 2.5X as much. As a consumer not even an enthusiastic hobbyist when it comes to spending Tamron and Sigma and others offer lots of FX and DX choices in 70-300 f/4-f/5.6 some with OS from $ 150-300-500 for my DX cam if I ever want to go longer than I do now. Also they are typically 500-600 grams. That CX lens=810mm on Nikon 1 cam. I wonder how many pros who are the people the 300mm f/4 is meant for actually use a 12 bit sensor for the kind of purpose that lens is meant for. As far back as 2011 D5100 had 14 bit. 4/3 sensor has not changed much even with GX8.
Different lenses for different uses. M4/3 offers the 75-300 or 100-300 consumer zooms too.

Not many pros who the 300 f4 is targetted at use m4/3. But then that's not really surprising as the lens hasn't been released yet. Hopefully it will enhance the flexibility of the m4/3 system when it is.
 
And the effect on focus performance of a 2x TC is horrible.
I know for DSLRs with PDAF, there's quite an issue with that (few DSLRs can even AF at f/8). For FF mirrorless (e.g. Sony A7RII), I wonder how much of a toll it takes.
Never used the Sony so can't answer that definitively, but you are putting 2ev less light on the focus points, so it can't be as good in lower lighting levels.
A 300 / 4 + 2x TC on FF puts the same amount of light on the focus points as a 300 / 4 on mFT, assuming, of course, that the focus points cover the same proportion of the scene.
No it doesn't. Think of m4/3 as a crop.
Well, it really does. Without loss in generality, assume the same pixel count for the sensors and that the sensors use the same number of pixels for CDAF. Then the exact same amount of light will fall on each pixel for 300mm f/4 + 2x TC on FF as will fall on each pixel for the bare 300mm f/4 on mFT.
 
Geoff,

Long telephotos of first rate quality are always going to be large and unless injection moulded plastic is extensively used then the weight is there as well. I don't know why these more exotic lenses are made out of metal. It may have something to do with rigidity, It may have a vibration damping effect in use. But more likely as slow sellers there just isn't enough potential sales to justify making the injection moulds.

Apart from this I believe that the size advantage offered by a smaller sensor diminishes and might even vanish as the focal length of the lens increases. Not only is the relative image circle ratio to focal length much less material but also the big object lenses of the best long telephotos are heavy and need more material to support them.

Therefore all that has progressed since the glorious days of EF telephotos is that computer-aided calculations are now very time beneficial, but the physics of the optics has not changed one bit.

A really good old prime telephoto lens of yesteryear was the standout truly expensive lens of its day. Relatively much more expensive then than the new Olympus might be today.

It might be a relative bargain if not that much lighter, I doubt if we should be looking such a gift horse in the mouth simply because it has the same horses teeth as the others.
 
It will do what a 600mm does on full frame in terms of reach and exposure time but will deliver more DOF.
The Olympus 300 / 4 has the same [diagonal] view, same DOF range, and same light gathering as a 600 / 8 on FF. Consequently, it is significantly smaller, lighter, and less expensive.
so in terms of size compare it to a 600mm f 5.6 or something similar.
Unfortunately, the only 600mm primes for FF at the moment are f/4. There would be quite the demand for a 600 / 5.6 for half the price, for sure (the Canon 400 / 5.6L is well regarded, for example). But if one were going to get a 600 / 8 to be equivalent to the Olympus lens, they'd probably be better off just complementing their FF system with an mFT system. Still, who knows? It would be interesting to see what a 600 / 8 for FF mirrorless brought to the table.
 

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