Ok Fuji users, what do you think of capture one pro?

I was with LR/PS and am one who switched to C1P (I'm using v.9). I am still learning C1P but I like it and think it will have an equally satisfying workflow as LR in the end. I like the output better.

Also, I think how satisfied some posters may be with C1P depends on two things:

1. The version they are using. People still using v.7 or 8 may not like this or that about C1P. But, to say what C1P can or can't do well today really depends upon input from those on the most current product. LR/PS subs model makes making such distinctions when commenting less necessary in that everyone is one the same version. But not so C1P.

2. Levels of knowledge about the software itself. At this stage in my C1P development I can say what I like - but my comments about what ISN'T possible, easy or efficient would not be very accurate as in truth the program may we do a splendid job and I just not know it. For example, I was unhappy that C1P lacked LR/PS auto select capabilities - but then found their approach works with color selections and - when one become proficient at that things are perfectly workable. As C1P is new to many (esp. it's newest incarnation) I think this has to be considered in our "pros/cons" sharing.

Just my .02 cents.

deednets said:

Interesting you should say that you can't load TIFF??

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Yes, I had that checked already. Oddly, it works now. I distinctly remember CaptureOne obstinately refusing to import TIFFs.

The only thing I can think of is that (a) there was an upgrade to CaptureOne, (b) there was an upgrade to Mac OS X, (c) I'm an idiot. I'm not ruling out (c), but I had no trouble at all importing TIFFs to RawTherapee, despite RT's having a nasty habit of hiding the filesystem browser.

deednets said:

I regularly attend the webinars by C1 and there was a discussion re the price. It is a small Danish company, which employs 60 software engineers - all on a high income, I believe - so there you have an explanation regarding the price.

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You seem to have misunderstood what I wrote: I don't have a problem with the price in itself. If they sold only one version of their software, and it cost $250, I'd be fine with that. I might even purchase it, as I did once before, and as I contemplate now with Iridient.

Where I have a problem is with their forcing everyone who doesn't own one company's brand into using a version of the software they don't need, including previous customers. I'd gladly have upgraded to CaptureOne Express v8, even at its full price; PhaseOne just refused to sell it to me, and offers me only a version whose improvements over the previous one consists almost entirely of features I won't use. No, thanks.

The Photo Ninja said:

Opinions?

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C1 (pro and non-pro Express version) is the only RAW conversion program I use. Very intuitive to learn.. Great customer service reply within 24 hours regarding questions e-mailed to the company. All of the images (Fuji, Leica X Vario, Olympus PEN & OM) on my photo web site were processed through Capture One.

www.triumph.smugmug.com

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lexvo said:

C1 has better detail than LR, but Rawtherapee and Iridient are even better.

For me, the default color and contrast in C1 are too much and sometimes off. I like the standard colors of LR better: more consistent.

I tried several RAW converters, and no one is perfect. They all have their strong features and quircks.

YMMV.

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Could you show an example of where C1 is "off"?

The C1 colour editor is one of the most powerful colour tools in the industry, have you tried the skin colour editor? You can unify a certain skin tone and fine tune the colour, set the colour scope to apply this to and then have a play with fine tuning the originally chosen colour. To make this easier, pull out the colour tool, magnify the tool - if you like - to the size of the whole screen then select the skin tone, extend the scope and then apply this. Naturally you can do this with any colour, but for skin this makes the most sense as it is often more than complicated to fix a red nose, olive collar bone and whitish sun-lit areas ...

Detail is one part of the equation, but there is of course a lot more to this.

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I think you are reading too much into COP 7 marketing hype....Probably you lack experience in other converters. Yes it is fast, intuitive and has great support but nothing outstanding to offer in sheer IQ. When it comes to colors and the general (default) look of the picture other competing products are far ahead. Colour editor in COP is too hyped to give consistent results. The reds are always on the yellow side and its impossible to get them right, deep reds is a dream impossible. AWB is almost too greeninish and be prepared for a shock if you are to try to use Skin Tone picker from drop down lists under the "White Balance Panel" (Skintone Tab). With Silypix DSP 7 you have consistent results impossible to achieve with Capture One Pro 9. COP 9 has a well sophisticated marketing machine but when it come to sheer image quality they have failed miserably to meet the colour separation and image resolution offered by the likes of Silkypix DSP 7. To me the only advantage COP 9 has is speed and that I can get to use Scot Wang's ICC profiles. Other than that it has mountains to climb to meet the output offered by Silkypix DSP 7.

I agree COP has poor colors and even worse poor color separation as opposed to competition.

lexvo said:

C1 has better detail than LR, but Rawtherapee and Iridient are even better.

For me, the default color and contrast in C1 are too much and sometimes off. I like the standard colors of LR better: more consistent.

I tried several RAW converters, and no one is perfect. They all have their strong features and quircks.

YMMV.

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georgehudetz said:

Squirrel7 said:

I think C1 pro looks awesome when I'm working with the image, but after I'm done and I pixel peep, I have to say the it is not quite as good as OOC jpeg in terms of sharpness and NR,

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Really? I have no problem getting better detail out of C1 than I've ever seen from an OOC JPEG.

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It depends on the content of the image.

I find I can get better detail with C1 in some places (sometimes significantly better than OOC), but then in other places in the same image it's oversharpened or undersharpened, whereas Fuji seemed to customize the application based on the scene. Whatever Fuji is doing in-camera seems to have some localized processing that applies sharpening where it makes sense and not in other places. I had similar results with Iridient, which also has some very impressive algorithms, but couldn't match the OOC for overall application.

FujiNiko said:

deednets said:

lexvo said:

C1 has better detail than LR, but Rawtherapee and Iridient are even better.

For me, the default color and contrast in C1 are too much and sometimes off. I like the standard colors of LR better: more consistent.

I tried several RAW converters, and no one is perfect. They all have their strong features and quircks.

YMMV.

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Could you show an example of where C1 is "off"?

The C1 colour editor is one of the most powerful colour tools in the industry, have you tried the skin colour editor? You can unify a certain skin tone and fine tune the colour, set the colour scope to apply this to and then have a play with fine tuning the originally chosen colour. To make this easier, pull out the colour tool, magnify the tool - if you like - to the size of the whole screen then select the skin tone, extend the scope and then apply this. Naturally you can do this with any colour, but for skin this makes the most sense as it is often more than complicated to fix a red nose, olive collar bone and whitish sun-lit areas ...

Detail is one part of the equation, but there is of course a lot more to this.

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I think you are reading too much into COP 7 marketing hype....Probably you lack experience in other converters. Yes it is fast, intuitive and has great support but nothing outstanding to offer in sheer IQ. When it comes to colors and the general (default) look of the picture other competing products are far ahead. Colour editor in COP is too hyped to give consistent results. The reds are always on the yellow side and its impossible to get them right, deep reds is a dream impossible. AWB is almost too greeninish and be prepared for a shock if you are to try to use Skin Tone picker from drop down lists under the "White Balance Panel" (Skintone Tab). With Silypix DSP 7 you have consistent results impossible to achieve with Capture One Pro 9. COP 9 has a well sophisticated marketing machine but when it come to sheer image quality they have failed miserably to meet the colour separation and image resolution offered by the likes of Silkypix DSP 7. To me the only advantage COP 9 has is speed and that I can get to use Scot Wang's ICC profiles. Other than that it has mountains to climb to meet the output offered by Silkypix DSP 7.

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Thanks for the insult!

How about some pics rather than some more words??

For what? I use Fuji's converter to go to tif and process that in Corel AfterShot Pro, or even free FastStone.

FujiNiko said:

I agree COP has poor colors and even worse poor color separation as opposed to competition.

lexvo said:

C1 has better detail than LR, but Rawtherapee and Iridient are even better.

For me, the default color and contrast in C1 are too much and sometimes off. I like the standard colors of LR better: more consistent.

I tried several RAW converters, and no one is perfect. They all have their strong features and quircks.

YMMV.

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... your "So much praise for little substance on paper yet dpreview is singing the song of praise" with regards to the D5 and D500.

Your vocabulary is beginner's class trolling ... don't have time for this. You seem to troll cross-platform, respect!!!

I hope you are having a good time wherever you sit! No need to reply as I will not be able to read your drivel anymore, but I am sure you have your fans!

I am 100% with you in this..To me COP does not have the best colours

FujiNiko said:

deednets said:

lexvo said:

C1 has better detail than LR, but Rawtherapee and Iridient are even better.

For me, the default color and contrast in C1 are too much and sometimes off. I like the standard colors of LR better: more consistent.

I tried several RAW converters, and no one is perfect. They all have their strong features and quircks.

YMMV.

Click to expand...

Could you show an example of where C1 is "off"?

The C1 colour editor is one of the most powerful colour tools in the industry, have you tried the skin colour editor? You can unify a certain skin tone and fine tune the colour, set the colour scope to apply this to and then have a play with fine tuning the originally chosen colour. To make this easier, pull out the colour tool, magnify the tool - if you like - to the size of the whole screen then select the skin tone, extend the scope and then apply this. Naturally you can do this with any colour, but for skin this makes the most sense as it is often more than complicated to fix a red nose, olive collar bone and whitish sun-lit areas ...

Detail is one part of the equation, but there is of course a lot more to this.

Click to expand...

I think you are reading too much into COP 7 marketing hype....Probably you lack experience in other converters. Yes it is fast, intuitive and has great support but nothing outstanding to offer in sheer IQ. When it comes to colors and the general (default) look of the picture other competing products are far ahead. Colour editor in COP is too hyped to give consistent results. The reds are always on the yellow side and its impossible to get them right, deep reds is a dream impossible. AWB is almost too greeninish and be prepared for a shock if you are to try to use Skin Tone picker from drop down lists under the "White Balance Panel" (Skintone Tab). With Silypix DSP 7 you have consistent results impossible to achieve with Capture One Pro 9. COP 9 has a well sophisticated marketing machine but when it come to sheer image quality they have failed miserably to meet the colour separation and image resolution offered by the likes of Silkypix DSP 7. To me the only advantage COP 9 has is speed and that I can get to use Scot Wang's ICC profiles. Other than that it has mountains to climb to meet the output offered by Silkypix DSP 7.

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deednets said:

lexvo said:

C1 has better detail than LR, but Rawtherapee and Iridient are even better.

For me, the default color and contrast in C1 are too much and sometimes off. I like the standard colors of LR better: more consistent.

I tried several RAW converters, and no one is perfect. They all have their strong features and quircks.

YMMV.

Click to expand...

Could you show an example of where C1 is "off"?

The C1 colour editor is one of the most powerful colour tools in the industry, have you tried the skin colour editor? You can unify a certain skin tone and fine tune the colour, set the colour scope to apply this to and then have a play with fine tuning the originally chosen colour. To make this easier, pull out the colour tool, magnify the tool - if you like - to the size of the whole screen then select the skin tone, extend the scope and then apply this. Naturally you can do this with any colour, but for skin this makes the most sense as it is often more than complicated to fix a red nose, olive collar bone and whitish sun-lit areas ...

Detail is one part of the equation, but there is of course a lot more to this.

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I was testing a few RAW converters a year ago. I had a scene with a lot of different blue tones. LR was closest in faithfully reproducing these colors without me needing to do adjustments. With C1 one blue tone was off and when I tried to correct this, other blue tones (which were right initially) started changing. I think my inexperience with C1 also might have to do with it, but I remember I had a hard time adjusting the colors and I could not get them right. In another example I had the same with red tones.

By the way, this was with a test scene I set up on my attic, so I could verify the colors with my own eyes.

But I have to say this: C1 was the most consistent RAW converter of the ones I tried beside LR. Photo Ninja for example surprised me more than once with the WB being off where the other converters had no trouble.

I just like the initial neutral/faithful and consistent rendering of LR. But if I would switch RAW converter, I'll probably switch to C1.

Squirrel7 said:

georgehudetz said:

Squirrel7 said:

I think C1 pro looks awesome when I'm working with the image, but after I'm done and I pixel peep, I have to say the it is not quite as good as OOC jpeg in terms of sharpness and NR,

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Really? I have no problem getting better detail out of C1 than I've ever seen from an OOC JPEG.

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It depends on the content of the image.

I find I can get better detail with C1 in some places (sometimes significantly better than OOC), but then in other places in the same image it's oversharpened or undersharpened, whereas Fuji seemed to customize the application based on the scene. Whatever Fuji is doing in-camera seems to have some localized processing that applies sharpening where it makes sense and not in other places. I had similar results with Iridient, which also has some very impressive algorithms, but couldn't match the OOC for overall application.

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Interesting. I do agree, that with C1, I sometimes find myself having to resort to localized corrections to bring the entire scene up to a consistently high level. But when I do that, the results can be very pleasing.

If Fuji was already applying some kind of content-based sharpening logic in the existing bodies, it will be interesting to see what they can do with the new, faster processor.

bartolyni said:

I am 100% with you in this..To me COP does not have the best colours

FujiNiko said:

deednets said:

lexvo said:

C1 has better detail than LR, but Rawtherapee and Iridient are even better.

For me, the default color and contrast in C1 are too much and sometimes off. I like the standard colors of LR better: more consistent.

I tried several RAW converters, and no one is perfect. They all have their strong features and quircks.

YMMV.

Click to expand...

Could you show an example of where C1 is "off"?

The C1 colour editor is one of the most powerful colour tools in the industry, have you tried the skin colour editor? You can unify a certain skin tone and fine tune the colour, set the colour scope to apply this to and then have a play with fine tuning the originally chosen colour. To make this easier, pull out the colour tool, magnify the tool - if you like - to the size of the whole screen then select the skin tone, extend the scope and then apply this. Naturally you can do this with any colour, but for skin this makes the most sense as it is often more than complicated to fix a red nose, olive collar bone and whitish sun-lit areas ...

Detail is one part of the equation, but there is of course a lot more to this.

Click to expand...

I think you are reading too much into COP 7 marketing hype....Probably you lack experience in other converters. Yes it is fast, intuitive and has great support but nothing outstanding to offer in sheer IQ. When it comes to colors and the general (default) look of the picture other competing products are far ahead. Colour editor in COP is too hyped to give consistent results. The reds are always on the yellow side and its impossible to get them right, deep reds is a dream impossible. AWB is almost too greeninish and be prepared for a shock if you are to try to use Skin Tone picker from drop down lists under the "White Balance Panel" (Skintone Tab). With Silypix DSP 7 you have consistent results impossible to achieve with Capture One Pro 9. COP 9 has a well sophisticated marketing machine but when it come to sheer image quality they have failed miserably to meet the colour separation and image resolution offered by the likes of Silkypix DSP 7. To me the only advantage COP 9 has is speed and that I can get to use Scot Wang's ICC profiles. Other than that it has mountains to climb to meet the output offered by Silkypix DSP 7.

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I never use the Fujifilm X-T1 default colors with C1, but instead turn to one of Scottie Wang's ICC profiles for my default. Those colors are excellent. The advanced color editor, once you've learned how to work with it, gives you the ability to select any particular tone of blue, for example, and change it without affecting the broader spectrum of blue. And now you can define masks by color, even changing the white balance for particular colors in the image. Bottom line? The color possibilities are endless in C1. The pack of 100 film styles offers amazing possibilities, any one of which could become your default. Bottom line? I can't begin to achieve the color possibilities in Silkypix that I get from C1. Nor can I achieve them through LR (although in the latter case, it's probably a matter of not having invested as much in learning the software as I have with C1).

If my primary concern is duplicating the OOC JPEG color, I turn to Silkypix, but if I want to get creative with color or explore alternative options, I always use Capture One.