i950 fading

I have printed 2 B&W shots on my new Canon i950. Initially they look great, but there has been dramatic fading of the black/grey portion of the picture and now is becoming a red/black color. It looks really bad. I thought it was an accident the first time it happened, but the second time my picture was in an album that covered 75% of the print and I just noticed that the uncovered portion has dramatically faded. I have not exposed the print to any direct light or other environmental factors (it was sitting in a dark office).

What gives?? Anyone else have this experience and what can I do to avoid it?

Thanks!
Dave

Hi DocDave,

There are loads of posts on this one - search through the forum and you'll find comments about paper, inks etc.

The summary is:

Canon inks fade on PR-101 (Pro) paper, due to gas fading (interaction with air, humidity etc) and light fading (UV). Sometime this is in a matter of weeks, though I've had a print on the fridge for 6 months and it has just started to fade noticeably.

You could try reson coated papers such as Ilford Gallerie paper (Classic Pearl) or Fuji MultiJet Satin. The best solution is to mount your photos behind appropriate glass or to use a photographic laminator, though I have no idea where you get these from (anyone - UK?)

At the end of the day, the cheapest solution for longevity is to find a good pro lab to print them. I use Keynsham Photographic (UK) who charge as little as 75p for 15x10" prints. You can't get anywhere near that with an inkjet!

Regards,
Ted

DocDave said:

I have printed 2 B&W shots on my new Canon i950. Initially they
look great, but there has been dramatic fading of the black/grey
portion of the picture and now is becoming a red/black color. It
looks really bad. I thought it was an accident the first time it
happened, but the second time my picture was in an album that
covered 75% of the print and I just noticed that the uncovered
portion has dramatically faded. I have not exposed the print to
any direct light or other environmental factors (it was sitting in
a dark office).

What gives?? Anyone else have this experience and what can I do to
avoid it?

Thanks!
Dave

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Thank you very much Ted.
I was afraid you were going to say something like that.
I appreciate your comments!!!!

Ted RW said:

There are loads of posts on this one - search through the forum and
you'll find comments about paper, inks etc.

The summary is:
Canon inks fade on PR-101 (Pro) paper, due to gas fading
(interaction with air, humidity etc) and light fading (UV).
Sometime this is in a matter of weeks, though I've had a print on
the fridge for 6 months and it has just started to fade noticeably.

You could try reson coated papers such as Ilford Gallerie paper
(Classic Pearl) or Fuji MultiJet Satin. The best solution is to
mount your photos behind appropriate glass or to use a photographic
laminator, though I have no idea where you get these from (anyone -
UK?)

At the end of the day, the cheapest solution for longevity is to
find a good pro lab to print them. I use Keynsham Photographic
(UK) who charge as little as 75p for 15x10" prints. You can't get
anywhere near that with an inkjet!

Regards,
Ted

DocDave said:

I have printed 2 B&W shots on my new Canon i950. Initially they
look great, but there has been dramatic fading of the black/grey
portion of the picture and now is becoming a red/black color. It
looks really bad. I thought it was an accident the first time it
happened, but the second time my picture was in an album that
covered 75% of the print and I just noticed that the uncovered
portion has dramatically faded. I have not exposed the print to
any direct light or other environmental factors (it was sitting in
a dark office).

What gives?? Anyone else have this experience and what can I do to
avoid it?

Thanks!
Dave

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Hi,

I just read your post. I'm want to buy i950, but wanted to ask you is there any papers on which the prints will last longer? If yes, then how long (approx) (cannon was saying something about 25 years)? Is that the effect of b/w printing or does it apply to color prints as well? Thanx for your help.
Kind regards,
Raphael

DocDave said:

Ted RW said:

There are loads of posts on this one - search through the forum and
you'll find comments about paper, inks etc.

The summary is:
Canon inks fade on PR-101 (Pro) paper, due to gas fading
(interaction with air, humidity etc) and light fading (UV).
Sometime this is in a matter of weeks, though I've had a print on
the fridge for 6 months and it has just started to fade noticeably.

You could try reson coated papers such as Ilford Gallerie paper
(Classic Pearl) or Fuji MultiJet Satin. The best solution is to
mount your photos behind appropriate glass or to use a photographic
laminator, though I have no idea where you get these from (anyone -
UK?)

At the end of the day, the cheapest solution for longevity is to
find a good pro lab to print them. I use Keynsham Photographic
(UK) who charge as little as 75p for 15x10" prints. You can't get
anywhere near that with an inkjet!

Regards,
Ted

DocDave said:

I have printed 2 B&W shots on my new Canon i950. Initially they
look great, but there has been dramatic fading of the black/grey
portion of the picture and now is becoming a red/black color. It
looks really bad. I thought it was an accident the first time it
happened, but the second time my picture was in an album that
covered 75% of the print and I just noticed that the uncovered
portion has dramatically faded. I have not exposed the print to
any direct light or other environmental factors (it was sitting in
a dark office).

What gives?? Anyone else have this experience and what can I do to
avoid it?

Thanks!
Dave

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I am interested in this issue, too. I was gonna go to SAMS club and buy the damn thing right this afternoon. I'm holding. Man, nothing goes as planned these days. I knew there was this problem with Canon inks but IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS??? I am very discouraged. I thought it will hold at lest few months. Well I don't have much experience with color prints .

Is this problem only with i950 or most Canon inkjets?

Raphael Krawczyk said:

DocDave said:

Ted RW said:

There are loads of posts on this one - search through the forum and
you'll find comments about paper, inks etc.

The summary is:
Canon inks fade on PR-101 (Pro) paper, due to gas fading
(interaction with air, humidity etc) and light fading (UV).
Sometime this is in a matter of weeks, though I've had a print on
the fridge for 6 months and it has just started to fade noticeably.

You could try reson coated papers such as Ilford Gallerie paper
(Classic Pearl) or Fuji MultiJet Satin. The best solution is to
mount your photos behind appropriate glass or to use a photographic
laminator, though I have no idea where you get these from (anyone -
UK?)

At the end of the day, the cheapest solution for longevity is to
find a good pro lab to print them. I use Keynsham Photographic
(UK) who charge as little as 75p for 15x10" prints. You can't get
anywhere near that with an inkjet!

Regards,
Ted

DocDave said:

I have printed 2 B&W shots on my new Canon i950. Initially they
look great, but there has been dramatic fading of the black/grey
portion of the picture and now is becoming a red/black color. It
looks really bad. I thought it was an accident the first time it
happened, but the second time my picture was in an album that
covered 75% of the print and I just noticed that the uncovered
portion has dramatically faded. I have not exposed the print to
any direct light or other environmental factors (it was sitting in
a dark office).

What gives?? Anyone else have this experience and what can I do to
avoid it?

Thanks!
Dave

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Check out this link guys, scroll down to look for s9000/900 or i950 with OEM inks (or bci-6 inks), not refillers like MIS or inkjetgoodies numbers: http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2d.htm

Bear in mind that the no. of years stated is a postulation, estimation. So 2 years for Canon PPP with OEM inks, and 10-12 years with Ilford Classic series papers means probably that under the conditions if Canon PPP fade in 4 weeks, then it will take the Classic series from Ilford at least 20 - 24 weeks before fading become an issue.

While you are at it, if you want an even more stable dye ink printer, perhaps the HP deskjet 5650 ($149 retail) or the photosmart 7150 (retails $99) is a good choice. If you are wondering how the print quality will be like with these printers (they share the same print engine) and their OEM HP inks, then check out the link below my signature and read the review. Or scroll down for the Graphical Charts to look for the comparison of their relative stability on various papers.

Blix said:

I am interested in this issue, too. I was gonna go to SAMS club and
buy the damn thing right this afternoon. I'm holding. Man, nothing
goes as planned these days. I knew there was this problem with
Canon inks but IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS??? I am very discouraged. I
thought it will hold at lest few months. Well I don't have much
experience with color prints .

Is this problem only with i950 or most Canon inkjets?

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When you say that the uncovered portion of the print faded that means you are having gas fading. Not all person's have this type of fading, I do not. It seems to be something in the atmosphere or in your location. The best way to avoid it is when printing on porous paper, such as canon, office depot, etc. is to put them behind glass or totally covered in album sleeves. If you plan on leaving them uncovered then print on resin paper such as ilford. That should ease the problem. The hp's mentioned in this thread by another person have more stability because they are printing on resin paper. Hp and Kodak paper are both resin paper. Keep in mind that resin paper used in either printer is not watersafe. If you have moisture splashed on the pictures or damp fingertips the ink smudges or comes off. The pictures also stick to glass and album sleeves.

DocDave said:

I have printed 2 B&W shots on my new Canon i950. Initially they
look great, but there has been dramatic fading of the black/grey
portion of the picture and now is becoming a red/black color. It
looks really bad. I thought it was an accident the first time it
happened, but the second time my picture was in an album that
covered 75% of the print and I just noticed that the uncovered
portion has dramatically faded. I have not exposed the print to
any direct light or other environmental factors (it was sitting in
a dark office).

What gives?? Anyone else have this experience and what can I do to
avoid it?

Thanks!
Dave

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To all,

Drestin Black said:

That should ease the problem. The hp's mentioned in this thread by
another person have more stability because they are printing on
resin paper. Hp and Kodak paper are both resin paper. Keep in
mind that resin paper used in either printer is not watersafe. If
you have moisture splashed on the pictures or damp fingertips the
ink smudges or comes off. The pictures also stick to glass and
album sleeves.

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FYI: If those interested look into the review link below the signature, you'll quickly realise that two such papers stand out with HP OEM inks, they are ceramic-coated papers with resin base, thus rendering the dye inks absolutely water-proof for up to 10 hours water soak, yet it has the stability of 11 - 13 years, comparable with the Canon oem inks on swellable papers like Ilford Galarie Classic series.

The new HP on swellable papers seem to exhibit about three times the stability than the Canon OEM inks. Point in fact to the Ilford Galarie Classics comparison between the HP and Canon oem inks.

Also some more note about resin coated papers: If you use non glossy media, your chance of getting them to stain the glass or album sleeves is reduced a great deal. For extra effort, by spraying the fixative onto the resin-coated paper before filing or framing, you'll almost always remove any trace of staining, and this applied to all dye inks on resin-coated papers, Canon, Epson or otherwise...

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...the great paper chase! (see http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=5683956 )