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I Think the X-Pro2 is overpriced and no advantage over X-T1 or X-T10

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57LowRider said:
Phamtastic said:
The real question is, what do you get if you want something like an xpro2? The ONLY answer is....an xpro2. lol.
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Apparently Leica do a manual focus FF body that's a bit similar in some respects; maybe that would suit the OP?
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LOL. Maybe. But probably not, purely based on the subject of the thread.

BTW, another note for others that want to complain about the price of the xpro2. If the price of this VERY specialized body is not for you, why not wait till the xt2 comes out? If that ends up being way over market price for something of that level (based on whatever the performance will be), then it may make more sense to complain about that one at that point.
 
Sal Baker said:
zoooming said:
I forgot to add a further comment from the same reviewer

"Thankfully the X-Pro2's new 24 megapixel image sensor and lack of low-pass filter delivers truly excellent image quality. Despite the resolution increase, noise is noticeable only by its almost complete absence throughout the ISO range of 100-51,2000, the JPEG quality is so good that you could conceivably never need the Raw files,
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How does this camera eliminate the advantages of a 14-bit RAW file? Do the reviewers not know the difference between RAW and JPEG files?
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I think they mean that the JPGs are very high quality and for most uses you won't need the extended editing capabilities of the raw files.
 
Zero regret with my pre-order. Waited 5 years for the premiere rangefinder X camera. Never considered the XE series or the XPRO1.

The bump in resolution and autofocus advancements are worth the money IMHO.
 
Agree with you. And 8000th sec mechanical shutter. Weather sealing.... This camera is not overpriced at all. I was surprised at how competitively priced it was from release!
 
You are obviously not interested in the camera since you can't see any advantages over the X-T1 or X-T10, so it is hardly surprising you think it is over priced.
 
Woodlink said:
Zero regret with my pre-order. Waited 5 years for the premiere rangefinder X camera. Never considered the XE series or the XPRO1.

The bump in resolution and autofocus advancements are worth the money IMHO.
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How do you know it's worth it when you haven't even got the camera yet :-D
 
sportyaccordy said:
Woodlink said:
Zero regret with my pre-order. Waited 5 years for the premiere rangefinder X camera. Never considered the XE series or the XPRO1.

The bump in resolution and autofocus advancements are worth the money IMHO.
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How do you know it's worth it when you haven't even got the camera yet :-D
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Agreed. This is just ridiculous. No ones forcing anyone to buy it and it'll most probably be cheaper six moths after it's released, anyway.
 
An optical finder is so much nicer than that damnable little TV screen viewer.

Nice to be able to shoot in low light without being spotlighted by a glowing screen. Nice to be able to shoot in low light without the screen or viewfinder blowing out our night vision.

Then, the 'feel' of the camera... it is what some of us like.
 
Andrea Crema said:
Araldite said:
Here in Australia the following cameras at Paxtons sell for this much.

X-Pro2 $A2495.95

X-T1 $A1258.95 and with 18-55 $A1258.95

X-T10 $A849.95

The Nikon D7200 (24MP) body is only $A1049.95, the 610 full frame $a1487.95.

Now for the sort of money I would have to spend on the X-Pro2 I could get myself a two camera outfit XT-1 and 18-55, a spare body X-T10 and even the 50-230 tele lens.

So Mr Fuji I could even get a Sony full frame camera if I wanted and have some change, so I would suggest you bring the price down to approx $A1500 ind give us poor pensioners and other less well healed people a chance to buy you new camera. As being the ex owner of a D7100 (Nikon) the fuji X-T1 is giving me excellent image quality and I can afford to put food on the table. If you want a rangefinder style camera there is always the X-E2
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If the XT1 is giving excellent image quality, then why upgrade?

There has been nothing to suggest that this is a revolutionary upgrade, its more evolutionary. I agree it's a expensive for what it is, but if I were thinking of getting it, it would be a long time in the future when the price has come down.

Competition will bring the price down over the next 12-18 months.
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As an evolutionary biologist I can say that evolution can also proceed in "big jumps" :).

All the best,

Bas
 
twamers said:
bavarius6 said:
twamers said:
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twamers said:
I realise it's around £300 cheaper than the XPro-1 was at UK launch. Irrespective of that and the development you mention compared to a Nikon D7200 at around £800 the XPRO-2 is way overpriced. Or if you like Nikon are turning out top stuff like the D7200 way cheaper than Fuji can compete with.

I'm not anti Fuji as l have XPro-1 and XM-1 and am very happy with both and am keeping and regularly using them. They give me great results. All that said the 2 is still way overpriced in the UK.
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As others have said, the market decides whether the price is right; if the X-Pro2 sells then it's not overpriced, and I suspect it is selling. Don't get me wrong, I'd like it to be a lot cheaper too and I will not be touching it at launch or a long time after, but that doesn't mean Fuji can't or won't sell it to plenty of others in the meantime.

D7200, nice for what it is I'm sure but a very different camera and I'm not sure Fuji are trying to compete with it.
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Thanks. Nowhere did I say it wouldn't sell. Whether it will sell enough units at a big enough profit for Fuji is different altogether. The D7200 is miles better than what you say - it currently is the best APS-C out there. The XPro-2 isn't a direct same style of camera I agree but Fuji will be hyper keen for things like image quality to match the Nikon to then leverage the other benefits it markets with the XPro styling. It's not all about image quality for sure but ultimately it's a camera to take pictures with - the shooting experience is very good yes but it will have to compete with image quality too. That's easily where the Nikon sits at the top of the tree at the moment amongst its very many other benefits. I'd like this launch to do well for Fuji as I like Fuji and my XPro but when all is said and done it is way overpriced.
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Nobody said that the 7200 isn't a good body but there isn't an 'aps-c' class of camera, there is DSLR's and MILC and this is why these two bodies aren't competing directly.

I don't think any of us know the cost of producing the hybrid VF with full OVF overlay but I do know that neither Nikon nor any other manufacturer has anything similar whereas there are many bodies offering exactly what the 7200 offers.

Personally I think Fuji have pitched the XP2 at the right price; I'm just glad the XP2 is cheaper than the XP1 at launch. However, I'll still be waiting for the price to come down a bit before I replace my XP1.

Pat
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Pat, thank you for your comments. I realise nobody said the D7200 isn't a good body but 'nice for what it is' doesn't come anywhere near an adequate description either. I think I just really commented on that. I understand the differences of Hybrid VF/OVF but Fuji has done a lot of R&D on this and should have recouped a lot of that via XPro-1 - if not their business teams got the business case wrong. The 2 takes things stages further that's all. And I realise too as my post said that it's a very different style of camera to D7200 but the image quality is mega important too - it is a camera after all. And whilst other DSLR's offer similar stuff to D7200 the D7200 is the class leader at the moment in APS-C (or cropped sensor if you like) - (not full frame DSLR). Either way Fuji will want to be competitive on image quality and offer its different shooting experience to appeal to buyers to tempt buyers away from DSLR's. For that my view is simple - it's overpriced. By the way I can get a full frame D750 for £1,396 and that just confirms XPro-2 is overpriced. Again I shoot both systems very happily so my view is based on that - practical use (but I'm not getting a D750 as I'd get into trouble if I bought another camera!!!).
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You're still not understanding; I described the D7200 as nice for what it is because that's exactly what it is - very nice for an APS-C DSLR. And it may be half the price of the X-Pro2 for all I know (or care). My question to you is - so what? So I can get a very juicy apple for half the price of an orange - how does that help me if I dislike apples and really want that orange? The only orange in the shop as it happens..

You actually cite the D750 as "proof" the X-Pro2 is overpriced. This is pure delusion. All of this only proves that you would probably be better off with a D750 or a D7200 as you're neither seeing or placing value on the X-Pro's particular talents. That's fine by the way, its a free market and you have the choice to buy or not buy what you like, but this proves nothing about this camera's value to others.
 
Araldite said:
Here in Australia the following cameras at Paxtons sell for this much.

X-Pro2 $A2495.95

X-T1 $A1258.95 and with 18-55 $A1258.95

X-T10 $A849.95

The Nikon D7200 (24MP) body is only $A1049.95, the 610 full frame $a1487.95.

Now for the sort of money I would have to spend on the X-Pro2 I could get myself a two camera outfit XT-1 and 18-55, a spare body X-T10 and even the 50-230 tele lens.

So Mr Fuji I could even get a Sony full frame camera if I wanted and have some change, so I would suggest you bring the price down to approx $A1500 ind give us poor pensioners and other less well healed people a chance to buy you new camera. As being the ex owner of a D7100 (Nikon) the fuji X-T1 is giving me excellent image quality and I can afford to put food on the table. If you want a rangefinder style camera there is always the X-E2
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You know.... Nikon raised its prices by a whopping 18% to 30% as of 1st january 2016 here in Europe. Now they raise their prices again as of March 1st with another 17% in Japan and will probably do so for the rest of the world pretty soon after.

Next to the fact that you can not compare a X-Pro with a D7100.
These are totally different cameras aimed at totally different target audiences.
 
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Xpro1 Announced Jan 9 2012

Xpro2 Announced Jan 15 2016

D7000 15 Sept 2010

D7100 21 Feb 2013

D7200 3 June 2015

I'm glad Fuji take their time.
 
markam04 said:
sportyaccordy said:
Woodlink said:
Zero regret with my pre-order. Waited 5 years for the premiere rangefinder X camera. Never considered the XE series or the XPRO1.

The bump in resolution and autofocus advancements are worth the money IMHO.
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How do you know it's worth it when you haven't even got the camera yet :-D
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Agreed. This is just ridiculous. No ones forcing anyone to buy it and it'll most probably be cheaper six moths after it's released, anyway.
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How do you know any camera is worth the asking price if you don't use it first? You read reviews, look at sample images, and draw your own conclusions.
 
I think there is a limited market for an APS-C sensor camera at that price point bar high end action cameras it's not really going to appeal

Reality is FF is now sub £1000 and going down I like APS-C but only at the right price
 
markam04 said:
Xpro1 Announced Jan 9 2012

Xpro2 Announced Jan 15 2016

D7000 15 Sept 2010

D7100 21 Feb 2013

D7200 3 June 2015

I'm glad Fuji take their time.
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Why?
 
Mr Spocko said:
I think there is a limited market for an APS-C sensor camera at that price point bar high end action cameras it's not really going to appeal

Reality is FF is now sub £1000 and going down I like APS-C but only at the right price
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John Gellings said:
markam04 said:
Xpro1 Announced Jan 9 2012

Xpro2 Announced Jan 15 2016

D7000 15 Sept 2010

D7100 21 Feb 2013

D7200 3 June 2015

I'm glad Fuji take their time.
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Why?
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You'd rather have a Xpro1, Xpro1.1, Xpro1.2?

Fuji don't rush out models, rather update existing models firmware. If I remember correctly, there was some significant problems with one of the D7000 series models. Just posted this as it's a bit tiring seeing this imo unwarranted criticism of a camera that is not yet for sale.
 
markam04 said:
John Gellings said:
markam04 said:
Xpro1 Announced Jan 9 2012

Xpro2 Announced Jan 15 2016

D7000 15 Sept 2010

D7100 21 Feb 2013

D7200 3 June 2015

I'm glad Fuji take their time.
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Why?
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You'd rather have a Xpro1, Xpro1.1, Xpro1.2?

Fuji don't rush out models, rather update existing models firmware. If I remember correctly, there was some significant problems with one of the D7000 series models. Just posted this as it's a bit tiring seeing this imo unwarranted criticism of a camera that is not yet for sale.
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No but an XPro2 with the XT1's tech and AF would have been a nice 2014 model, and then the X-Pro3 would be the new 2016 model.
 
darngooddesign said:
markam04 said:
John Gellings said:
markam04 said:
Xpro1 Announced Jan 9 2012

Xpro2 Announced Jan 15 2016

D7000 15 Sept 2010

D7100 21 Feb 2013

D7200 3 June 2015

I'm glad Fuji take their time.
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Why?
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You'd rather have a Xpro1, Xpro1.1, Xpro1.2?

Fuji don't rush out models, rather update existing models firmware. If I remember correctly, there was some significant problems with one of the D7000 series models. Just posted this as it's a bit tiring seeing this imo unwarranted criticism of a camera that is not yet for sale.
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No but an XPro2 with the XT1's tech and AF would have been a nice 2014 model, and then the X-Pro3 would be the new 2016 model.
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markam04 said:
darngooddesign said:
markam04 said:
John Gellings said:
markam04 said:
Xpro1 Announced Jan 9 2012

Xpro2 Announced Jan 15 2016

D7000 15 Sept 2010

D7100 21 Feb 2013

D7200 3 June 2015

I'm glad Fuji take their time.
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Why?
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You'd rather have a Xpro1, Xpro1.1, Xpro1.2?

Fuji don't rush out models, rather update existing models firmware. If I remember correctly, there was some significant problems with one of the D7000 series models. Just posted this as it's a bit tiring seeing this imo unwarranted criticism of a camera that is not yet for sale.
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No but an XPro2 with the XT1's tech and AF would have been a nice 2014 model, and then the X-Pro3 would be the new 2016 model.
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Maybe you should be in charge of Fujis product developing / marketing:)

I'm ok with fewer models with more significant changes. Just hope they bring out the X-E3 this year, then I can buy it six months or so later when the price drops a bit. I try not to be an 'early adopter' where tech is involved.
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Maybe I should be.

I noticed you own and XE2; weird that you didn't buy an XE1 so you could wait for the XE3. :-D
 
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