Sal Baker
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How does this camera eliminate the advantages of a 14-bit RAW file? Do the reviewers not know the difference between RAW and JPEG files?
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I Think the X-Pro2 is overpriced and no advantage over X-T1 or X-T10
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bjzwaan
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Pick up a X-Pro1 now, that is a great deal! Interesting that you felt ripped off though. You used the camera for 9 months and had fun with it I am sure. That must be worth something...
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I guess in Australia they don't have sarcasm...My post was actually meant in defense of you and your opinion. My post was directed against the many commenters here that post alternative views without any argument or merit.
No offense meant in your direction.
No, everyone is allowed to express their opinion. However I happen to think, perhaps I'm alone on this, that to maintain an engaging forum where people can freely ask questions or make statements, contrasting opinions should contain a thought-out argument.Sorry, didn't realise freedom to express opinions only worked one way!
Many of the replies here can be summarized as "well then don't buy it if it's too expensive". If you're satisfied with this level of discourse, then so be it.
Perhaps I'm becoming too old to be on the internet as I can't seem to sustain the same level of tolerance for the imbecilic I once could. I may have EOG (early onset grumpiness),(ref Portlandia).
As stated in my other reply to the OP, I meant my original statement as a defense of his/her right to an original statement. My apologies if it was taken the wrong way.
Phamtastic
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It is only exorbitantly higher than the xt line on your continent. Here in North America, I was able to preorder mine from Canada and shipped to the US for 1350 USD with all fees included.
Also, as many others have stated already, the xt1 has lingered between 1099 and 1299 which it is currently at now which is basically about the same price as at launch. You may see some discounts on the xpro2 after a few months, but I don't believe the downward drop will be as significant as with the 1.
Putting all that aside, there is really no way to compare the xpro2 to the rest of the market as there is no other product that does what it does in the way that it does it. For you to make a direct comparison, you would have to find another camera that features everything the xpro2 features. If you are in the market for a mirrorless body with a hybrid viewfinder, most updated AF with PDAF system, WR, APSC copper processing, etc., you simply have no other choice. This is the ONLY camera of its type with these specs/in this form/iteration in existence. So it would be short-sighted and a narrow perspective to draw any type of comparison.
As to the latter half of the your subject line, there are very clear differences and improvements which I won't go over here as they are easily found around the net. Also, they are two very different cameras meant to appeal to people for different and separate reasons from the xt line which Fuji execs have already made very clear.
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I realise it's around £300 cheaper than the XPro-1 was at UK launch. Irrespective of that and the development you mention compared to a Nikon D7200 at around £800 the XPRO-2 is way overpriced. Or if you like Nikon are turning out top stuff like the D7200 way cheaper than Fuji can compete with.
I'm not anti Fuji as l have XPro-1 and XM-1 and am very happy with both and am keeping and regularly using them. They give me great results. All that said the 2 is still way overpriced in the UK.
I'm not anti Fuji as l have XPro-1 and XM-1 and am very happy with both and am keeping and regularly using them. They give me great results. All that said the 2 is still way overpriced in the UK.
Jup, Fuji has a - legitimate or not, in my opinion legit - claim to be the "Leica of the 21st Century". They merge true photography with small packages that deliver excellent IQ - and they innovate not for the Spec War, but for things that actually matter. The Hybrid Finder is maybe the most clever thing to happen since mirrorless digital camera were invented.
I don't see a 1700EUR price tag out of place for such a body. Any "Prosumer" DSLR costs that much and is much less of a niche product.
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I don't see a 1700EUR price tag out of place for such a body. Any "Prosumer" DSLR costs that much and is much less of a niche product.
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win39
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It is too bad the importer is putting it to you by about $500. Don't buy one. And thank your stars that you do not have to deal with the Nikon importer who by all reports is awful.
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As others have said, the market decides whether the price is right; if the X-Pro2 sells then it's not overpriced, and I suspect it is selling. Don't get me wrong, I'd like it to be a lot cheaper too and I will not be touching it at launch or a long time after, but that doesn't mean Fuji can't or won't sell it to plenty of others in the meantime.
D7200, nice for what it is I'm sure but a very different camera and I'm not sure Fuji are trying to compete with it.
justinwonnacott
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Well... I kept my xpro after a lot of frustration was finally out of the way. I bought the whole kit for top dollar and paid for it before it was on the shelf based on my excellent experience with the x100 and because of the claims about performance fuji made.
The camera was a big disappointment but I hung in there and did not sell it because I was waiting for a decent iteration of acr . At that point I had a camera thar was worth a lot less than I paid for it so I kept it.
I am a professional photographer and in my opinion
that camera is a. one trick pony with limited uses. I use it for PR work sometimes and on the street. It is not the versatile near full frame performing miracle they sold it as by a long shot.
I really do not care what fans think. The xpro1 is very bad for accurate copywork and the files at high speed are not terribly good or sharp. The artifacts from the sensor in textured yellows and greens are real and very easy to see in large prints.
The xpro2 seems somewhat better based on the early samples I have looked at but only a little bit. After getting burned with believing fuji marketing hype I will wait to see results with the new light room.
I could not care less about using another RAW developer as I have several big catalogue and I am not going to change my daily work flow that is not perfectly itegrated with how I do business. I thought fuji was out of their mind bundling silky pix with the first one. I had no intention of setting up a separate catalogue system for assignments when I was using multiple cameras.
The fuji system is something I really want to like but until that sensor is profoundly improved I probably will not buy another fuji,especially at the very high price point.
The fuji "world" appears to be alone.... the lenses are brand specific and making real comparisons with other tools just does not get done very much.
You raise a good point. In this forum we see a couple of themes:
- Those thieving Fujifolk! How can they sleep at night if they plan on charging that much for the <insert X-camera here>?
- OMG!! Look at the annual report. Cameras are under-performing! Is Fujifilm going to drop the X-line and leave me in the cold?
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Cream17
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If the XT1 is giving excellent image quality, then why upgrade?
There has been nothing to suggest that this is a revolutionary upgrade, its more evolutionary. I agree it's a expensive for what it is, but if I were thinking of getting it, it would be a long time in the future when the price has come down.
Competition will bring the price down over the next 12-18 months.
KariP
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Here the difference reflects the technical differences and the fact that XT1 is an older model with a lover pice than 2 years ago
Of course Pro2 is quite expensive and i personally do not like the rangefinder - style. It is a great camera and buying it is everyones own choice !
Buy something else if you like
Of course Pro2 is quite expensive and i personally do not like the rangefinder - style. It is a great camera and buying it is everyones own choice !
Buy something else if you like
Count me in the camp that thinks the X-pro 2's price, at least in the eurozone, is a little more inflated than it should.
When the X-T1 was introduced, it was priced at 1200 euros. Nowadays you can purchase it for 1100 euros. The price has been stable over time and hasn't changed much.
The X-pro 1 was announced at 1700 euros - or more precisely, there was a bit of confusion about its price, effectively launched at 1600 euros, and one year later was at 1200 euros.
In fairness, Fuji introduced a lot of new hardware elements after the X-pro 1's release that quickly made the X-pro 1 look dated, while since the introduction of the X-T1 Fuji's hardware platform has been quite stable. Still, I'm expecting the X-pro 2's price to plummet rather quickly.
When the X-T1 was introduced, it was priced at 1200 euros. Nowadays you can purchase it for 1100 euros. The price has been stable over time and hasn't changed much.
The X-pro 1 was announced at 1700 euros - or more precisely, there was a bit of confusion about its price, effectively launched at 1600 euros, and one year later was at 1200 euros.
In fairness, Fuji introduced a lot of new hardware elements after the X-pro 1's release that quickly made the X-pro 1 look dated, while since the introduction of the X-T1 Fuji's hardware platform has been quite stable. Still, I'm expecting the X-pro 2's price to plummet rather quickly.
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I don't think its going to tumble like the first cameras did. The XT1, X100T, and XT10 are the best indications of how the pricing will be affected over time. But yeah if you want a couple of months Fuji will have a sale.
sportyaccordy
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Fuji is a business, not a charity. They don't owe you a "chance" to buy their flagship camera. If you are choosing between buying a depreciating electronic gadget that will be obsolete in a year or putting food on the table, IMO you probably deserve to go hungry.
Thanks. Nowhere did I say it wouldn't sell. Whether it will sell enough units at a big enough profit for Fuji is different altogether. The D7200 is miles better than what you say - it currently is the best APS-C out there. The XPro-2 isn't a direct same style of camera I agree but Fuji will be hyper keen for things like image quality to match the Nikon to then leverage the other benefits it markets with the XPro styling. It's not all about image quality for sure but ultimately it's a camera to take pictures with - the shooting experience is very good yes but it will have to compete with image quality too. That's easily where the Nikon sits at the top of the tree at the moment amongst its very many other benefits. I'd like this launch to do well for Fuji as I like Fuji and my XPro but when all is said and done it is way overpriced.
Can you share the info where it stays X-Pro2 has new Sony sensor and not the one used on A6000?
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