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hirskur wrote:
appeared. The admin of the forums
hirskur said:
said only 2 of the following specs
are wrong:
  • 8 MP
  • RAW
  • Microdrive compatible
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The CF/pcmcia one? Sony will stay Mem Stick only.
hirskur said:
  • f2.8 28-200 mm equiv Lens
  • stabilized
  • 640x480 Video
  • fully articulate LCD
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does that mean 'folds out' ? can't see the value relative to the engineering expense and probable bulk.
hirskur said:
  • TTL flash
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just my humble choice of the 2 :-)

rob.
hirskur said:
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http://forum.digitalkamera.de/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=5051&mesg_id=5051&page=#5319
hirskur
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this is gonna a HOT*topic in a few minutes i think ... :-)
what are the reactions on the german forum?

i don't think there is gonna be any "stabilisator"
(i thnk i saw this on an old sony digicam ...could it be??)

and after that i didn't saw it ...so i think it wasn't that great...(correct me if i'm wrong...)

8MP...99% ..

Raw...big change...but 8MP and Raw => very big files I think...Pro Ms drop prices?? :-)

the lense hmm i don't know :-s

640x640 video size...lets keep in mind that it still is a still camera...it would be great bt its not that important

i think there is an hue saternitation option

compatible with other memory cards...plz ...plz...sony...plz

bluethoot! you see it in a lot of sony stuff...so why not in the F828??

firewire!!
aah what else
hmm
better white balance
...
same battery
...
higher price

greets
Toon
(again...sorry for my english)

Me crazy-You sane
 
hirskur said:
On the wellknown german site digitalkamera.de new hints about
the properties of the new Sony have appeared. The admin of the forums
said only 2 of the following specs
are wrong:
  • 8 MP
  • RAW
  • Microdrive compatible
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No way, Sony will stay MS, especially with the Pro's out now.
hirskur said:
  • f2.8 28-200 mm equiv Lens
  • stabilized
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Don't think so, not enough zoom to be of any use.
hirskur said:
  • 640x480 Video
  • fully articulate LCD
  • TTL flash
Original thread:

http://forum.digitalkamera.de/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=5051&mesg_id=5051&page=#5319
hirskur
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hirskur said:
On the wellknown german site digitalkamera.de new hints about
the properties of the new Sony have appeared. The admin of the forums
said only 2 of the following specs
are wrong:
  • 8 MP
  • RAW
  • Microdrive compatible
  • f2.8 28-200 mm equiv Lens
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if Sony's got 28mm, I'm in! =))
28-200 that's about x7 zoom ...neat
hirskur said:
  • stabilized
  • 640x480 Video
  • fully articulate LCD
  • TTL flash
Original thread:

http://forum.digitalkamera.de/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=5051&mesg_id=5051&page=#5319
hirskur
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hirskur said:
On the wellknown german site digitalkamera.de new hints about
the properties of the new Sony have appeared. The admin of the forums
said only 2 of the following specs
are wrong:
  • 8 MP
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Sure, someone needs to use their new CCD.
hirskur said:
  • RAW
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Yes, Looking forward to playing in the RAW.
hirskur said:
  • Microdrive compatible
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I wouldn't buy a microdrive anyway.
hirskur said:
  • f2.8 28-200 mm equiv Lens
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Hopefully no. I want more on the high end and faster.
hirskur said:
  • stabilized
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Sure, it will need to be since the above item is wrong.
hirskur said:
  • 640x480 Video
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Yes, why not?
hirskur said:
  • fully articulate LCD
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I will say yes, I sure hope it is sturdy though.
hirskur said:
  • TTL flash
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A given.
hirskur said:
Original thread:

http://forum.digitalkamera.de/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=5051&mesg_id=5051&page=#5319
hirskur
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TurboTed

(It's easier just being insane than acting insane)
 
some of these. However, I very much like the current 717's rotating body. It's gone through four versions (505, 505V, 707, and 717) and the configuration is proven. (I have the 505V and am looking to upgrade.)

Also, I like the current lens. Going to F2.8 would be a step back, IMO.

Regards,

Dan.
TurboTed said:
hirskur said:
On the wellknown german site digitalkamera.de new hints about
the properties of the new Sony have appeared. The admin of the forums
said only 2 of the following specs
are wrong:
  • 8 MP
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Sure, someone needs to use their new CCD.
TurboTed said:
  • RAW
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Yes, Looking forward to playing in the RAW.
TurboTed said:
  • Microdrive compatible
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I wouldn't buy a microdrive anyway.
TurboTed said:
  • f2.8 28-200 mm equiv Lens
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Hopefully no. I want more on the high end and faster.
TurboTed said:
  • stabilized
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Sure, it will need to be since the above item is wrong.
TurboTed said:
  • 640x480 Video
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Yes, why not?
TurboTed said:
  • fully articulate LCD
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I will say yes, I sure hope it is sturdy though.
TurboTed said:
  • TTL flash
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A given.
TurboTed said:
Original thread:

http://forum.digitalkamera.de/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=5051&mesg_id=5051&page=#5319
hirskur
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TurboTed

(It's easier just being insane than acting insane)
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...but then if its stabilized then maybe that'll be OK.

But what if it IS a 2.8 lens but its NOT stabilized...then I'll cry.

My hope is that 640 video is not included....actually I'd be just happy as a clam if they'd look at the F series as their serious photographers tool and quit wasting funds and innards space on video.

Its also a safe bet that it won't be Microdrive compatible...

dave
Dan Clark said:
Also, I like the current lens. Going to F2.8 would be a step back,
IMO.

Regards,

Dan.
TurboTed said:
hirskur said:
On the wellknown german site digitalkamera.de new hints about
the properties of the new Sony have appeared. The admin of the forums
said only 2 of the following specs
are wrong:
  • 8 MP
Click to expand...
Sure, someone needs to use their new CCD.
Dan Clark said:
  • RAW
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Yes, Looking forward to playing in the RAW.
Dan Clark said:
  • Microdrive compatible
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I wouldn't buy a microdrive anyway.
Dan Clark said:
  • f2.8 28-200 mm equiv Lens
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Hopefully no. I want more on the high end and faster.
Dan Clark said:
  • stabilized
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Sure, it will need to be since the above item is wrong.
Dan Clark said:
  • 640x480 Video
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Yes, why not?
Dan Clark said:
  • fully articulate LCD
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I will say yes, I sure hope it is sturdy though.
Dan Clark said:
  • TTL flash
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A given.
Dan Clark said:
Original thread:

http://forum.digitalkamera.de/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=5051&mesg_id=5051&page=#5319
hirskur
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TurboTed

(It's easier just being insane than acting insane)
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Amazing what we can do with just three crayons, red green and blue!
http://yourbattlecreek.com/dave/
 
Dan Clark said:
some of these. However, I very much like the current 717's
rotating body. It's gone through four versions (505, 505V, 707,
and 717) and the configuration is proven. (I have the 505V and am
looking to upgrade.)

Also, I like the current lens. Going to F2.8 would be a step back,
IMO.

Regards,

Dan.
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Right on Dan ^5!!!

An articulated LCD would suggest that there's no more tilt-lens. Since I seldom use the LCD, no matter what other features it has, this would be a deal breaker for me :-(

Steve

--
http://www.pbase.com/slo2k

'If one really wishes to be master of an art, technical knowledge of it is not enough. One has to transcend technique so that the art becomes an 'artless art' growing out of the Unconscious.'
 
My guess is that if the next is part of the F series more than 2 of the specs may be wrong. Those are RAW, Microdrive and lens. Maybe, even, the fully articulate LCD.

I'm not sure I can see RAW files with the current capacity of Memory Sticks.

It seems unlikely they would take up the space for accommodating different drives particularly when they are so committed to the MS.

Why would they provide a lens that seemingly has less versatile performance?

And, if it's the F series, why would they give up a body that works pretty well and which hasn't had many significant complaints that I'm aware of?

As for the other things, I couldn't care less what they do about video. If I want a video camera I'll buy one. A stabilized lens might be nice but I don't as it's necessary at 200mm. TTL flash would be nice.

Those are my opinions for what they're worth (which is exactly nothing).

Mike
hirskur said:
On the wellknown german site digitalkamera.de new hints about
the properties of the new Sony have appeared. The admin of the forums
said only 2 of the following specs
are wrong:
  • 8 MP
  • RAW
  • Microdrive compatible
  • f2.8 28-200 mm equiv Lens
  • stabilized
  • 640x480 Video
  • fully articulate LCD
  • TTL flash
Click to expand...
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Mike
 
There are two things that sell: megapixels and zoom. So 8MP and 7X zoom sound right to me. Too bad we have to get a slower lens to get more zoom, but it's probably an inevitable tradeoff.

RAW is a freebie. I'm surprised they haven't offered it before this.

What if they put the microdrive inside the camera? An earlier thread mentioned that Sony was going to do something about the "prejudice" buyers had against them. If one assumes that means doing something about the memory stick, what better way than to make it totally redundant? Check out this new drive, whose price point and scheduled availability would make it perfect:
http://neasia.nikkeibp.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/news/237219

640x480 video already exists in the V1, so no problem including it in the flagship camera. Does the V1 have TTL flash also?

So that leaves me with stabilized, and fully articulate LCD.
hirskur said:
On the wellknown german site digitalkamera.de new hints about
the properties of the new Sony have appeared. The admin of the forums
said only 2 of the following specs
are wrong:
  • 8 MP
  • RAW
  • Microdrive compatible
  • f2.8 28-200 mm equiv Lens
  • stabilized
  • 640x480 Video
  • fully articulate LCD
  • TTL flash
Original thread:

http://forum.digitalkamera.de/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=5051&mesg_id=5051&page=#5319
hirskur
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This may be contentious to some. I am looking forward with keen anticipation a fully articulated LCD. It is my main viewfinder. When the camera is in portrait orientation, my ability (comfortably) to frame the scene is greatly limited.

And you have to love the possibility of the 28mm wide end, although I hope they don't go f/2.8 on us. I don't care about micro drive, but CF would be a nice option.

I am assuming RAW will be included so seeing that didn't surprise me, but was nice to nonetheless :-) We must be getting close to an announcement. Yippeeee

--
Shay

My Sony F707 & F717 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
My F717 Observations: http://www.shaystephens.com/f717.asp
 
Shay,

I don't mind an articulated LCD. As long as they keep the tilt body. My reason is that I am far sighted. So when I need to use the LCD I have to put my glasses on. To see the scene, I need my glasses off. That's why I love that little EVF and the diopter adjustment :-) I don't need glasses at all when using it (it almost makes me feel young...lol) Since I use the EVF almost exclusively, I seldom have the lens at 90 degrees to the body. The body is always tilted a little forward giving me a more comfortable viewing angle through the EVF.

I'd really miss it if it went away :-( It's become a Sony icon. Trashing it now would not only be a mistake, IMO, but it might be construded as an idea that didn't work. Personally, I think it's one of the best ideas Sony ever came up with.

I'd give up......uh....2mxpls if they leave the tilt-lens intact....LOL

Steve
Shay Stephens said:
This may be contentious to some. I am looking forward with keen
anticipation a fully articulated LCD. It is my main viewfinder.
When the camera is in portrait orientation, my ability
(comfortably) to frame the scene is greatly limited.

And you have to love the possibility of the 28mm wide end, although
I hope they don't go f/2.8 on us. I don't care about micro drive,
but CF would be a nice option.

I am assuming RAW will be included so seeing that didn't surprise
me, but was nice to nonetheless :-) We must be getting close to an
announcement. Yippeeee

--
Shay

My Sony F707 & F717 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
My F717 Observations: http://www.shaystephens.com/f717.asp
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http://www.pbase.com/slo2k

'If one really wishes to be master of an art, technical knowledge of it is not enough. One has to transcend technique so that the art becomes an 'artless art' growing out of the Unconscious.'
 
I'm not sure I understand.

Since you seldom use the LCD, this means that you do use the EVF I'm guessing. Then why would the configuration of the LCD be a deal breaker for you?
Steve Cavigliano said:
An articulated LCD would suggest that there's no more tilt-lens.
Since I seldom use the LCD, no matter what other features it has,
this would be a deal breaker for me :-(
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Ulysses
 
Mark Ransom said:
RAW is a freebie. I'm surprised they haven't offered it before this.

What if they put the microdrive inside the camera? An earlier
thread mentioned that Sony was going to do something about the
"prejudice" buyers had against them. If one assumes that means
doing something about the memory stick, what better way than to
make it totally redundant? Check out this new drive, whose price
point and scheduled availability would make it perfect:
http://neasia.nikkeibp.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/news/237219

640x480 video already exists in the V1, so no problem including it
in the flagship camera. Does the V1 have TTL flash also?

So that leaves me with stabilized, and fully articulate LCD.
hirskur said:
On the wellknown german site digitalkamera.de new hints about
the properties of the new Sony have appeared. The admin of the forums
said only 2 of the following specs
are wrong:
  • 8 MP
  • RAW
  • Microdrive compatible
  • f2.8 28-200 mm equiv Lens
  • stabilized
  • 640x480 Video
  • fully articulate LCD
  • TTL flash
Original thread:

http://forum.digitalkamera.de/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=5051&mesg_id=5051&page=#5319
hirskur
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It probly won't matter to most how big it gets. I am ready for a new body form factor. Sony can't stay with the existing forever. One thing, I can't see them giving you a CF slot, too. SOny loves the M$ Stick

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
 
I'm really getting excited about this new camera.

I already own the F707 & the F717, and I seriously considered the purchase of a DSLR. However, after carefully analyzing my photography requirements I have realized that I need the (Speed and Noise) performance of a DSLR and not necessarily a DSLR. Therefore, I have decided to wait and see what Sony releases before I make a decision.

I may be strange, but I really love the live preview and histogram. I can actually see how adjustments to the aperture and shutter speed will effect my image. To my knowledge this is not currently available on any DSLR due to the mirror issue. The technology exist to overcome this obstacle, it just has not been built yet. I’m guessing this is because it does not condign with the SLR paradigm. Just think what a powerful combination this could be, DSLR (Speed and Noise) performance with a live preview and a histogram.

I’m betting, that if any company can produce this it would be Sony, because they are not primarily a Camera Company thus they are not enslaved with a film camera mentality.

I have faith in them, however if they don’t produce, I will be forced to move to a DSLR for performance.

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Always in training
http://www.pbase.com/mmiller6
 
Size matters!

If not to you, then to Sony. Large lenses are more expensive to produce. That's why it makes sense to me that they would increase the zoom range on the bottom rather than the top, a higher maximum would mean a larger lens.

I agree about the CF slot. Unless they learned their lesson from Beta... Nah.
Greg Gebhardt said:
It probly won't matter to most how big it gets. I am ready for a
new body form factor. Sony can't stay with the existing forever.
One thing, I can't see them giving you a CF slot, too. SOny loves
the M$ Stick

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
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Mark Ransom said:
If not to you, then to Sony. Large lenses are more expensive to
produce. That's why it makes sense to me that they would increase
the zoom range on the bottom rather than the top, a higher maximum
would mean a larger lens.

I agree about the CF slot. Unless they learned their lesson from
Beta... Nah.
Greg Gebhardt said:
It probly won't matter to most how big it gets. I am ready for a
new body form factor. Sony can't stay with the existing forever.
One thing, I can't see them giving you a CF slot, too. SOny loves
the M$ Stick

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
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would be very likley. If not the lens would have to grow in size.

No matter what Sony does, some will like and some will not. All I know for sure is I will buy it!

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, V1! , Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
 
Oh!yeah , that site was in german and i understood that !!

And one more thing . how much is that going to be ??
hirskur said:
On the wellknown german site digitalkamera.de new hints about
the properties of the new Sony have appeared. The admin of the forums
said only 2 of the following specs
are wrong:
  • 8 MP
  • RAW
  • Microdrive compatible
  • f2.8 28-200 mm equiv Lens
  • stabilized
  • 640x480 Video
  • fully articulate LCD
  • TTL flash
Original thread:

http://forum.digitalkamera.de/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=5051&mesg_id=5051&page=#5319
hirskur
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