Are the Canon 7D / 7D Mk2 Pro Cropped Cameras?

I see on the list of forums that the Nikon Pro DX cameras have their own forum.

I regard the Canon equivalents the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Canon Pro cropped cameras, so they should get their own forum.

Why is their a bias for Nikon but against Canon?

What are you thoughts on this issue?

Do you regard the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Pro cameras?

Do you think they should get their own forum just like Nikon?

I think a large majority of the posts in *this* forum are already about the 7D and 7D MK II (along with the 70D) so here is where most go to discuss those cameras.

Whether the actual title of the forum has the word "Pro" in it or not I believe is largely irrelevant.

People can argue back and forth about their opinion on the 7D being a pro camera or not but what difference does it really make? I don't know if Canon still does it or not, but on their own site they used to categorize cameras such as the 1D series as being in their pro line but not the 7D. The 7D was generally relegated to the advanced amateur type designation.

Are there people out there making money and earning a living shooting with a 7D MK II? Yeah, most likely. So are they pros? Yeah, I guess you could say that.

Are most of the sideline photographers at pro and big time college sports shooting with a 7D? Probably not.

Long story short, I don't see the need for a whole separate forum with the name Pro in it specifically to discuss the 7D, you would end up with a crossover of posts anyway. Plus, you can discuss both pro and amateur aspects of those cameras right here.

if there are others that feel differently, that's fine.

As for myself, I don't own Nikon so I don't care how those forum titles are designated.

Agree with your thoughts. Also, Canon doesn't call the 7D II a pro camera whereas Nikon does call their D500 as such. If it's really all about who makes the better camera, it won't be decided by who calls theirs what.

Actually on Nikons website the D500 is listed under enthusiast instead of pro... Its all semantics a true pro camera is one that a pro uses to make a living..
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Singh said:

I see on the list of forums that the Nikon Pro DX cameras have their own forum.

I regard the Canon equivalents the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Canon Pro cropped cameras, so they should get their own forum.

Why is their a bias for Nikon but against Canon?

What are you thoughts on this issue?

Do you regard the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Pro cameras?

Do you think they should get their own forum just like Nikon?

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I'm sure a 7DII can be used for serious professional work.

Amateurs have a lot to say - about everything they do not understand very much... and professionals do not waste time - they try to earn money and make a living. No time to argue about things

This is clearly a forum for amateurs - just like all the other forums

Regardless of what Canon calls them or how they are marketed, I would consider them pro cameras. Many pros and amateurs alike shoot with them. And chances are if a pro has a crop camera in the bag, it's likely a 7 series.

....10D, 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, and 7DmkII.
All these camera's have been used by professionals to make money.

I once saw a pro using the xti for a wedding.

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Singh said:

I see on the list of forums that the Nikon Pro DX cameras have their own forum.

I regard the Canon equivalents the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Canon Pro cropped cameras, so they should get their own forum.

Why is their a bias for Nikon but against Canon?

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It's always been here. ;-)

Singh said:

What are you thoughts on this issue?

Do you regard the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Pro cameras?

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Yes.

Singh said:

Do you think they should get their own forum just like Nikon?

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No. The 7D-7DII are "Pro", but they have as much or more in common with the advanced amateur 70D than they do with the 1D or 5D lines. And including the 6D with the other more advanced full frame bodies instead of the Rebels or x0d bodies makes sense to me.

I think it's silly that the D100-D500 are the "PRO DX" line, but the DF, D1-5, D600-800 are not "Pro", they're just the FX line. :-D

IMHO, YMMV

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Lemming51 said:

Singh said:

I see on the list of forums that the Nikon Pro DX cameras have their own forum.

I regard the Canon equivalents the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Canon Pro cropped cameras, so they should get their own forum.

Why is their a bias for Nikon but against Canon?

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It's always been here. ;-)

Lemming51 said:

What are you thoughts on this issue?

Do you regard the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Pro cameras?

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Yes.

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Interesting. I always thought the D line was considered pro like the 1DX. 7D line was in between consumer and pro. The 1DX is identical to the 7D2 with settings like case numbers, etc. You just pay $4,000 more for the 1DX which provides far better response to the same settings the 7D2 has. The obvious difference is FPS but and a few additional options which I doubt would be worth that price difference by themselves.

I downloaded the 1DX manual. Many pages are cut and paste for the 7D2. There will be a IDX 11 eventually and if the 7D2 is a pro grade camera why spend the additional money?

It is not a big deal but it this made me curious. The 7D2 AF is outstanding but everything I have read about the 1DX in forums, etc the 1DX is better. If I were making a living shooting sports (a pro) I would use the best the manufacturer had to offer with the 7D2 as a back up if I did not have the cash for a 2nd 1DX.

Lemming51 said:

Lemming51 said:

Do you think they should get their own forum just like Nikon?

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No. The 7D-7DII are "Pro", but they have as much or more in common with the advanced amateur 70D than they do with the 1D or 5D lines. And including the 6D with the other more advanced full frame bodies instead for the Rebels makes sense to me.

I think it's silly that the D100-D500 are the "PRO DX" line, but the DF, D1-5, D600-800 are not "Pro", they're just the FX line. :-D

IMHO, YMMV

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Technically yes. You have to look at it more as two different lines based on processor size instead of trying to wedge them into the same lineup based on price.

So EOS M < Rebel < 70D < 7D2. The 7D2 is the higher grade APS-C sensor sized camera you can buy from Canon.

Then you have 6D < 5D3/5DSR < 1DX. I put the 5D3 and the 5DSR next to each other because they cater to different types of shooting.

In reality it is irrelevant because Pro, Pro-sumer and so on and so on are more marketing terms used to appeal to different segments. At the end of the day Pro is more about getting the right tool for the right job and getting paid for your work.

ellover009 said:

Technically yes. You have to look at it more as two different lines based on processor size instead of trying to wedge them into the same lineup based on price.

So EOS M < Rebel < 70D < 7D2. The 7D2 is the higher grade APS-C sensor sized camera you can buy from Canon.

Then you have 6D < 5D3/5DSR < 1DX. I put the 5D3 and the 5DSR next to each other because they cater to different types of shooting.

In reality it is irrelevant because Pro, Pro-sumer and so on and so on are more marketing terms used to appeal to different segments. At the end of the day Pro is more about getting the right tool for the right job and getting paid for your work.

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Well said. Pro does not mean you are a good photographer, it just means you earn a living doing it. Not sure what defines a pro as there are several descriptions. I always went with this one - more than 50% of you income comes from your trade.

As you said you can earn a living with a pin whole camera if there is a market for it. We could do this with the the cheapest cameras.

Singh said:

I see on the list of forums that the Nikon Pro DX cameras have their own forum.

I regard the Canon equivalents the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Canon Pro cropped cameras, so they should get their own forum.

Why is their a bias for Nikon but against Canon?

What are you thoughts on this issue?

Do you regard the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Pro cameras?

Do you think they should get their own forum just like Nikon?

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I think that it stems from the time Nikon only had APS-c sensors in their cameras

Even in their top of the line cameras that where competing with the larger format cameras from Canon, 1D-series

Before the D500 the PRO Dx forum was in it's dying phase

Lemming51 said:

Singh said:

I see on the list of forums that the Nikon Pro DX cameras have their own forum.

I regard the Canon equivalents the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Canon Pro cropped cameras, so they should get their own forum.

Why is their a bias for Nikon but against Canon?

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It's always been here. ;-)

Lemming51 said:

What are you thoughts on this issue?

Do you regard the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Pro cameras?

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Yes.

Lemming51 said:

Do you think they should get their own forum just like Nikon?

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No. The 7D-7DII are "Pro", but they have as much or more in common with the advanced amateur 70D than they do with the 1D or 5D lines. And including the 6D with the other more advanced full frame bodies instead of the Rebels or x0d bodies makes sense to me.

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?? The 7DII has a body that is almost identical in control layout and ergonomics as the 5DIII, and basically the same AF and menu...

The 6D and the 60D are basically the same layout etc...

The 7DII is as pro as the 5D series is. Which could be called either way...

Lemming51 said:

I think it's silly that the D100-D500 are the "PRO DX" line, but the DF, D1-5, D600-800 are not "Pro", they're just the FX line. :-D

IMHO, YMMV

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Ember42 said:

Lemming51 said:

Singh said:

I see on the list of forums that the Nikon Pro DX cameras have their own forum.

I regard the Canon equivalents the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Canon Pro cropped cameras, so they should get their own forum.

Why is their a bias for Nikon but against Canon?

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It's always been here. ;-)

Ember42 said:

What are you thoughts on this issue?

Do you regard the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Pro cameras?

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Yes.

Ember42 said:

Do you think they should get their own forum just like Nikon?

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No. The 7D-7DII are "Pro", but they have as much or more in common with the advanced amateur 70D than they do with the 1D or 5D lines. And including the 6D with the other more advanced full frame bodies instead of the Rebels or x0d bodies makes sense to me.

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?? The 7DII has a body that is almost identical in control layout and ergonomics as the 5DIII, and basically the same AF and menu...

The 6D and the 60D are basically the same layout etc...

The 7DII is as pro as the 5D series is. Which could be called either way...

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As good as the 7D2 is my 5D3 AF is more reliable and based on owners that have both the 1DX and 7D2 say the 1DX is more reliable as well.

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Ember42 said:

I think it's silly that the D100-D500 are the "PRO DX" line, but the DF, D1-5, D600-800 are not "Pro", they're just the FX line. :-D

IMHO, YMMV

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Singh said:

I see on the list of forums that the Nikon Pro DX cameras have their own forum.

I regard the Canon equivalents the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Canon Pro cropped cameras, so they should get their own forum.

Why is their a bias for Nikon but against Canon?

What are you thoughts on this issue?

Do you regard the 7D and 7D Mk2 as Pro cameras?

Do you think they should get their own forum just like Nikon?

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The reason is mostly historical, there is no bias. Both Canon and Nikon have two DX forums each. The distinction is in the way Canon and Nikon developed their model lines.

Historically, Canon had 3-digit 'beginner' bodies, i.e. 500D, and 2-digit 'advanced' models, such as 40D. The advanced models had alloy housing, shoulder LCD, prism finders, twin dials, and many other characteristics as Nikon 'pro' DX series such as D300

After 50D, Canon split its advanced line into two tiers - the 60D and the 7D and their successors. However, the discussion forum remained the same.

Nikon had one forum for its two-digit models such as D70, which actually spanned the beginner-midrange, and another forum for its 3-digit models such as D200. Then Nikon replaced its 2-digit line with 4-digit models such as D3000 and D5000, those naturally got assigned to 'beginner' DX forum, and by extension, the D7x00 models ended up there as well.

Spec-wise and price-wise, Nikon D7x00 models rank somewhat higher than Canon's 60-70D, but because of their model numbering, Nikon D7x00s ended up on the 'beginner' forum, while Canon 60/70D are on the 'advanced', along with 7D.

I think the distinction between pro camera and amateur lies with the photographer not the camera.

For example if I used a 1Dx it would be an amateur('s) camera. ;-)

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