Where to go from here. (Stay on what seems like a sinking ship or bail out)

Not really, reverse engineering is pretty much already covered and tested in various courts (IBM vs clones, even Canon and Nikon tried but got nowhere). But there must be some commercial gain in future or noone is going to make the effort.
If they have it covered by patents it is protected. It is not just a case of electrical contacts, but also a protocol that both the lens and the camera have to follow. The protocol would be protected as an algorithm. So, to use the interface you would have to use that.

On the NX system the useable lenses are defined by the firmware. If you don't have a Samsung lens the camera won't recognize it and it will be useless unless it is a manual lens or is used as a manual lens.

That is why the only third party lenses you can use through adapters are dumb lenses. The physical mount isn't protected, but the protocols for using the electronics most certainly are.

Lenses such as those from Canon/Nikon/Sony use much older more primitive standards that involve only the physical mount and pin arrangements. That is why people can make active adapters for them. I suspect that will change for things like focus by wire lenses however, since those probably use proprietary codes as well.

Samsung's lens system is well protected because of how they have implemented the interface.

I suspect that you will see more and more of that from other manufacturers as well, particularly when dealing with more sophisticated modern lenses that are integrated into the camera's OS. In the long term the days of products like those from MetaBones or Black Magic are numbered.
 
If Samsung pulls the plug on NX, I don't think your gear will stop working.
It will at some point.

If for no other reason when the battery stops working and retailers will tell you that they don't sell replacements anymore...
And how long do you think that will be? A couple of days? Weeks? Months? Years?

Unless your first camera was a Samsung you obviously switched systems to get to it. Samsung has never been fully yoked in photography... this is not the first system they've abandoned, and I'll bet it won't be the last. If you wanted stability you bought into the wrong system. And hell there is a chance ANY system can end with all the troubles the camera industry is having. It's just part of the game. Samsung is wisely cutting its losses and moving on.
Indeed I'm talking years.... it's the kind of timeframe I am aiming at when I buy NX1 priced gear.

Fortunately, I didn't completely switched systems for Samsung, partly because I was aware of their tendency not to follow up on some products but mainly because they didn't have anything able to replace my Canon gear. I thought the NX1 and S lenses would send my Canon gear to eBay but it seems that it is rather the Samsung gear that is going to go... sad.

To get back to batteries, 100% of the batteries that came with my 5D and 1Dmkii are dead and cannot be recharged. They lasted around 4 to 6 years of normal to heavy usage. Maybe battery tech is better now but I am sure happy I can find spares even today.
 
If Samsung pulls the plug on NX, I don't think your gear will stop working.
It will at some point.

If for no other reason when the battery stops working and retailers will tell you that they don't sell replacements anymore...
And how long do you think that will be? A couple of days? Weeks? Months? Years?

Unless your first camera was a Samsung you obviously switched systems to get to it. Samsung has never been fully yoked in photography... this is not the first system they've abandoned, and I'll bet it won't be the last. If you wanted stability you bought into the wrong system. And hell there is a chance ANY system can end with all the troubles the camera industry is having. It's just part of the game. Samsung is wisely cutting its losses and moving on.
Indeed I'm talking years.... it's the kind of timeframe I am aiming at when I buy NX1 priced gear.

Fortunately, I didn't completely switched systems for Samsung, partly because I was aware of their tendency not to follow up on some products but mainly because they didn't have anything able to replace my Canon gear. I thought the NX1 and S lenses would send my Canon gear to eBay but it seems that it is rather the Samsung gear that is going to go... sad.

To get back to batteries, 100% of the batteries that came with my 5D and 1Dmkii are dead and cannot be recharged. They lasted around 4 to 6 years of normal to heavy usage. Maybe battery tech is better now but I am sure happy I can find spares even today.
I don't think this will be an issue.
 
There's nothing special about nx communication protocol - it's generic MISO/MOSI SPI as used by many others. But, this is going waay off topic so let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.
 
In all my years of doing photography (35+) I have only had one camera fail. It was an older model I bought used, and was easily fixed. I go to length to take care of my gear. The pictures I have gotten from my NX500 and fixed lenses are the best I’ve ever had from any digital camera. My intent is to take good care of it and use it for as long as it keeps working. If it fails, I’ll either get it repaired, or if need be switch to a different system. Since I just bought everything it wouldn’t make sense to sell off a perfectly working system.
 
No need to do either !

Use the camera at hand to do whatever you need to do and at some point in the future if your need dictates something else go for something else.
 
Actually, the way most of this law works is that if you can do the same without looking at their algorithm, then you're in the clear. That is, black box reverse engineering, you can look at the inputs and outputs and match them with your own algorithms (while never looking at theirs) and you would be completely within the law in the European Union. Since the input/output sets are limited here, this is not a terribly insurmountable proposition and is probably exactly what many of the 3rd parties do for Canon and Nikon compatibility. Definitely way easier than a project like WINE, that uses this kind of black box reverse engineering to run Windows apps on Linux. If Microsoft hasn't gone smashed WINE, there is almost certainly no clear legal basis for them to do so (though lawyers can always make up some other reason and tie them up in legal fees even if they're totally unjustified).
 
If Samsung pulls the plug on NX, I don't think your gear will stop working.
It will at some point.

If for no other reason when the battery stops working and retailers will tell you that they don't sell replacements anymore...
And how long do you think that will be? A couple of days? Weeks? Months? Years?

Unless your first camera was a Samsung you obviously switched systems to get to it. Samsung has never been fully yoked in photography... this is not the first system they've abandoned, and I'll bet it won't be the last. If you wanted stability you bought into the wrong system. And hell there is a chance ANY system can end with all the troubles the camera industry is having. It's just part of the game. Samsung is wisely cutting its losses and moving on.
Indeed I'm talking years.... it's the kind of timeframe I am aiming at when I buy NX1 priced gear.

Fortunately, I didn't completely switched systems for Samsung, partly because I was aware of their tendency not to follow up on some products but mainly because they didn't have anything able to replace my Canon gear. I thought the NX1 and S lenses would send my Canon gear to eBay but it seems that it is rather the Samsung gear that is going to go... sad.

To get back to batteries, 100% of the batteries that came with my 5D and 1Dmkii are dead and cannot be recharged. They lasted around 4 to 6 years of normal to heavy usage. Maybe battery tech is better now but I am sure happy I can find spares even today.
I don't think this will be an issue.
I doubt it will be. There will always be nx1 batteries for sale, whether it be amazon or eBay or wherever else. In the same way if my long discontinued mobile phone battery fails, I can still buy a spare.
 
People ask what i like the GX8, here you can see, i use only 12-35mm F2.8 lens



More photos are my site
More photos are my site



 
Thanks Kisaha ;)

Happy weekend!
 
FWIW, you should try 35-100/2.8 as well - for my money it's even better (on G7 body). It's just a bit longer and a bit heavier than 12-35 (it's almost exactly like nx 50-200mm, maybe a bit lighter). Together they make an excellent compact moderate zoom kit.
 
FWIW, you should try 35-100/2.8 as well - for my money it's even better (on G7 body). It's just a bit longer and a bit heavier than 12-35 (it's almost exactly like nx 50-200mm, maybe a bit lighter). Together they make an excellent compact moderate zoom kit.
The 12-35 f2.8 is great great great if it weren't for a nasty habbit of flaring. With the sun in the frame you really need to be careful. The 35-100 f2.8 of course is a different FL but it is a great no problems lens. And the combo of these two weighs 660 gram so an excellent pair for the GX8 9I have GH4) and indeed G7.
 
So I thought I'd follow up on what I ended up doing. I decided not to panic and sell off my Samsung gear, but I also decided I'm not investing further into it. I decided instead to purchase a Sony a58, to which I will add some old (read: cheap and good quality) Minolta glass. My NX300 does everything I need it to, and better than the competition, so it didn't make sense to sell it off, but I wanted more reach than the 12mm and 30mm lenses I have for it would offer, and adapted M42 lenses worked ok but aren't a great solution for just taking pictures of the kids without getting real serious. The a58 stabilizes any Sony or Minolta lens, and provides a viewfinder which I'm usually not too hung up on except when I'm using a long lens.

So, that's the direction I went. I like having two cameras. I realized a few years back that one camera doesn't usually cover every situation, but two does a pretty good job.

I've had a few digital cameras over the years, the more serious ones have been:

Olympus e500

Panasonic DMC-L1

Olympus Ep1

Panasonic G1

Panasonic GF1

Olympus EPL2

Panasonic GH2

Sony a37

Sony Nex-f3

Sony Nex-c3

Sony Nex-6

Sony Nex-5t

Samsung NX300

Out of all those, I feel my best shots were taken with the Sony a37 with 35mm f1.8. Afterwards I feel like my photos have gravitated more towards snapshots, so I'm hoping this new a58 will get me back on track.
 
My brother has it, it's a very nice camera. Heh, you really know how to pick a prosperous system /kidding.

Here is the thing: A mount has hands down the most affordable lens collection. It's just incredible how cheap some lenses can be found, second hand ones are dirt cheap (he bought pristine 50/1.4 for something like 80 euro, some super zoom for ~100,etc).

You did the smart thing, people like to rush and they lose money in process and get annoyed too.
 
People ask what i like the GX8, here you can see, i use only 12-35mm F2.8 lens

More photos are my site
More photos are my site

http://kontto.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Matkailu,+Travelling/Venetsia+/
Thanks for posting. Nice photo. But personally, I found the photo is a bit lacking in terms of sharpness and resolution when compared to Samsung 28mp sensor (one reason might be due to Samsung do not have the AA filter)

I was also surprise at the softness toward the edge considering the price of the lens.
 
So I thought I'd follow up on what I ended up doing. I decided not to panic and sell off my Samsung gear, but I also decided I'm not investing further into it. I decided instead to purchase a Sony a58, to which I will add some old (read: cheap and good quality) Minolta glass. My NX300 does everything I need it to, and better than the competition, so it didn't make sense to sell it off, but I wanted more reach than the 12mm and 30mm lenses I have for it would offer, and adapted M42 lenses worked ok but aren't a great solution for just taking pictures of the kids without getting real serious. The a58 stabilizes any Sony or Minolta lens, and provides a viewfinder which I'm usually not too hung up on except when I'm using a long lens.

So, that's the direction I went. I like having two cameras. I realized a few years back that one camera doesn't usually cover every situation, but two does a pretty good job.

I've had a few digital cameras over the years, the more serious ones have been:

Olympus e500

Panasonic DMC-L1

Olympus Ep1

Panasonic G1

Panasonic GF1

Olympus EPL2

Panasonic GH2

Sony a37

Sony Nex-f3

Sony Nex-c3

Sony Nex-6

Sony Nex-5t

Samsung NX300

Out of all those, I feel my best shots were taken with the Sony a37 with 35mm f1.8. Afterwards I feel like my photos have gravitated more towards snapshots, so I'm hoping this new a58 will get me back on track.
I have Sony A7, Fuji XE1, Olympus EPL5 and Samsung NX500 is the camera I use most.
 
I recently bought a used NX300 that I like, mainly because of the 30mm f2 that keeps the whole package fairly pocketable. I generally upgrade my equipment by selling off my old stuff while it still has some decent resale value and add minimal funds to purchase newer equipment.
A wise strategy. I think Sony A6000 (or A6300) is good upgrade bath for you. A6000 camera is still pretty compact size and sony has some nice lenses too. It's already two years old model, but has kept the monetary value well.

I like Samsung cameras (like my NX500), but I would not invest too much to the system, which manufacturer behaves this way unreliable. It is not right to customers.
My dilemma is this: I am not heavily invested in NX, having the NX300, 30mm f2, and Rokinon 12mm f2, but I would like to add additional lenses. I am hesitant to invest further in the system if it is going to be a dead end, but I still have a little room to upgrade my equipment within the NX system.

My initial reaction is to sell off my gear and reinvest in another system, but maybe that's overreacting? What are the rest of you in a similar situation doing (that situation being not heavily invested in the system).
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Sooo...I returned the A58 I purchased. Didn't feel comfortable in my hand, image quality wasn't as good as I expected, etc etc. I've also gotten really used to sending a picture to my wife or others by transferring quickly to my phone, and the A58 has no wifi capability. The IBIS works well though, I was using a 300mm zoom at 1/50th of a second, and upon close inspection you might notice some softness but it really made a huge difference. I previously had a Sony A37 which was a little different body size/shape, I'm debating if I want to go back to this or move on, or just buy a few more lenses for my Samsung and invest deeper into the vanishing system that is NX. The wifi stuff is something I've really become accustomed to.

Back to square one. :(
 
Sooo...I returned the A58 I purchased. Didn't feel comfortable in my hand, image quality wasn't as good as I expected, etc etc. I've also gotten really used to sending a picture to my wife or others by transferring quickly to my phone, and the A58 has no wifi capability. The IBIS works well though, I was using a 300mm zoom at 1/50th of a second, and upon close inspection you might notice some softness but it really made a huge difference. I previously had a Sony A37 which was a little different body size/shape, I'm debating if I want to go back to this or move on, or just buy a few more lenses for my Samsung and invest deeper into the vanishing system that is NX. The wifi stuff is something I've really become accustomed to.

Back to square one. :(
Just buy a used 50-200 and see from there, maybe another one in the summer, the "investment" is just minimal, amd it is difficult to abandon the NX UI (the best in the industry right now), and for photos, I wouldn't change my NX300 for anything right now, but I had to buy the NX500 because I do a lot of video, and honestly, NX300 video sucks! The bitrate and coding needa hacking! At least you can erase the time limit, which is ideal for keepimg family memories.
 

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