Would you like IBIS in future APSC bodies?

Entropy512 said:

Entropy512 said:

Entropy512 said:

because you don't see the stabilized image of what you are photographing/recording.

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You don't see the image of what you are recording on any DSLR through the OVF- the mirror has to flip up to take the picture in regular mode or live view.

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I think his point is that sensor-shift stabilization in a DSLR does NOT provide the advantages of a stabilized viewfinder that it does in an SLT or mirrorless.

AF is also not stabilized in SLTs... Which is why I'm surprised so many third-party manufacturers are dropping OS from their A-mount lenses.

I guess the reason for them keeping it in K-mount but not A-mount is because unstabilized AF (A-mount SLT) is less noticeable than unstabilized AF PLUS an unstabilized viewfinder (Pentax K-mount bodies with SR).

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hot potato said:

No.

-increased cost

-increased size

-less accurate metering and AF performance in low light

-less effective for longer focal lengths

An APS-C mirrorless camera should be compact and lightweight.

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hot potato said:

hot potato said:

No.

-increased cost

-increased size

-less accurate metering and AF performance in low light

-less effective for longer focal lengths

An APS-C mirrorless camera should be compact and lightweight.

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For those of you mentally challenged folk who seem to have trouble putting 2 + 2 together...

World's smallest FF camera with IBIS vs smallest FF camera without IBIS: sony a7 II vs sony a7

size: 731cm^3 vs 573cm^3

weight: 599g vs 474g

cost: $1700 vs $1100

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sportyaccordy said:

hot potato said:

hot potato said:

No.

-increased cost

-increased size

-less accurate metering and AF performance in low light

-less effective for longer focal lengths

An APS-C mirrorless camera should be compact and lightweight.

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For those of you mentally challenged folk who seem to have trouble putting 2 + 2 together...

World's smallest FF camera with IBIS vs smallest FF camera without IBIS: sony a7 II vs sony a7

size: 731cm^3 vs 573cm^3

weight: 599g vs 474g

cost: $1700 vs $1100

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Stupid comparison.... Sony DSLRs had IBIS and weighed and costed the same as similarly specced Nikons. Olympus has bodies with IBIS for $250 new that weigh next to nothing. There's no proof an IBIS equipped APS-C E mount will weigh another 125g or cost another $600. A lot of times with tech like this a company will implement it on an expensive body and then figure out how to do it cheaply on smaller bodies. But we don't even have to go through all that. Sony has already implemented consumer grade IBIS w/no cost or weight penalty to its competition or within itself.

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Entropy512 said:

sportyaccordy said:

hot potato said:

hot potato said:

No.

-increased cost

-increased size

-less accurate metering and AF performance in low light

-less effective for longer focal lengths

An APS-C mirrorless camera should be compact and lightweight.

Click to expand...

For those of you mentally challenged folk who seem to have trouble putting 2 + 2 together...

World's smallest FF camera with IBIS vs smallest FF camera without IBIS: sony a7 II vs sony a7

size: 731cm^3 vs 573cm^3

weight: 599g vs 474g

cost: $1700 vs $1100

Click to expand...

Stupid comparison.... Sony DSLRs had IBIS and weighed and costed the same as similarly specced Nikons. Olympus has bodies with IBIS for $250 new that weigh next to nothing. There's no proof an IBIS equipped APS-C E mount will weigh another 125g or cost another $600. A lot of times with tech like this a company will implement it on an expensive body and then figure out how to do it cheaply on smaller bodies. But we don't even have to go through all that. Sony has already implemented consumer grade IBIS w/no cost or weight penalty to its competition or within itself.

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See Pentax K-S2 - 674g for a weather-sealed DSLR with mirror, $475. IBIS is cheap.

K-50 - Weather-sealed DSLR with mirror (weather sealing and mirror add weight) - 644g, includes IBIS, $282.

The A7II had improved AF, improved video (XAVC S), and much of the weight comes from the fact that the A7II body has significantly more metal parts.

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sportyaccordy said:

Entropy512 said:

sportyaccordy said:

sportyaccordy said:

because you don't see the stabilized image of what you are photographing/recording.

Click to expand...

You don't see the image of what you are recording on any DSLR through the OVF- the mirror has to flip up to take the picture in regular mode or live view.

Click to expand...

I think his point is that sensor-shift stabilization in a DSLR does NOT provide the advantages of a stabilized viewfinder that it does in an SLT or mirrorless.

AF is also not stabilized in SLTs... Which is why I'm surprised so many third-party manufacturers are dropping OS from their A-mount lenses.

I guess the reason for them keeping it in K-mount but not A-mount is because unstabilized AF (A-mount SLT) is less noticeable than unstabilized AF PLUS an unstabilized viewfinder (Pentax K-mount bodies with SR).

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I feel like the situations where unstabilized AF would be an issue are pretty limited.

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sportyaccordy said:

inso said:

everybody accepts tht the a6000 sells like no other camera at the moment. yet in every thread there has to be at least one post complaining and failing to understand that you dont replace a successful product, when the competitors have nothing in the same price range to beat it. what is wrong with people not getting this?

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I think people are slowly coming around to this concept. The whining about the lack of a replacement seems to have subsided.

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