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DavidP,

I meant those whingeing and whining and referring to the persons who don't even own one of our Canons making so much noise on this forum. (surely you don't think you make "noise" right? I've read your numerous posts and they are constructive unlike the destructive ones I read here)

and to Kristian,

perhaps this will restore faith in the focussing capabilitites of the 10D have a look at

http://www.pbase.com/andrelam/inbox

Andre
 
I don't own a 10D. And others HAVE accused me of "making noise", and even "Canon bashing" (which could be read as "destructive"). Additionally, others have used that same phrase about me: not being able to take real pictures, etc.

Glad to see that you disagree.
Andre Lam said:
I meant those whingeing and whining and referring to the persons
who don't even own one of our Canons making so much noise on this
forum. (surely you don't think you make "noise" right? I've read
your numerous posts and they are constructive unlike the
destructive ones I read here)
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Photography -- just another word for compromise

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Kristian,

See this thread
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=5676414

It doesn't sound right for me.
Kristian Salo said:
I am getting too scary to purchase the 10D, after fighting the
hopeless crusade against the S40 and G2 focus issue*,

Those of you have the focus issue, how has Canon reacted. Is there
an "easy fix" that can be done in the warranty service?

Has anyone tested the Nikon D100 or Fuji S2, do they have focus
issues?

search the Canon Talk for "G2 focus"
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IXUS V, S40 and G2 Galleries
http://www.iki.fi/steelduck
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Every Day I come into this Forum, I end up doing ruler tests or screw-tests.

Guess what: The resolution of the camera is not good enough to draw a final conclusion if it focusses up to a 1/10 of a mm ecactly.

This leads me to the conclusion: immediately stop those focus tests!
You will end with thousands of ruler-pics.

And when one day your grand children ask you "what kind of photos did you take in the beginning of the Digital-Photographing-Era" what will you say: Oh my son, I spend the hole day with Photographing rulers.

In fact: Some of the best and most expensive Pictures aren´t even sharp (think of the burning concorde!).

After all in most cases no one will argue about the last bit of sharpness, when the motive is 100% perfect.
Ben Strasser said:
Kristian Salo said:
I am getting too scary to purchase the 10D, after fighting the
hopeless crusade against the S40 and G2 focus issue*,

Those of you have the focus issue, how has Canon reacted. Is there
an "easy fix" that can be done in the warranty service?

Has anyone tested the Nikon D100 or Fuji S2, do they have focus
issues?

search the Canon Talk for "G2 focus"
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IXUS V, S40 and G2 Galleries
http://www.iki.fi/steelduck
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I don't own a 10D. I own a D60. But there's no denying the truth.

The truth is, nothing is perfect. There will be 10Ds with defects. There will be D60s will defects... and in a hundred years, there wil stilll be cameras with defects.

I've read hundreds of AF issue posts in this forum. Here's my take, even if it's not firsthand.

The AF issues are real, and at first glace the quatity of posts about the issues makes one think there are major problems. But frustrated people are going to post about their problems more often than happy people will post about their happiness. They come here because they want empathy, or advice. Instead, they get treated like scum and told "there is no focus issue" even when they hold in their hands a camera which has one.

The issue looks worse than it is because the debate is so heated. People are litereally screaming at eachother (in written words, that is) over this.

I think your chances of getting a good camera are high. If at first you think there's a problem, at least give yourself time to learn the new equipment, ESPECIALLY if you come from the P+S realm.

Don't rely on the rler test to give you the truth.

The truth is, these cameras are stupid. They don't know what you want to focus on, all they know is what you have in the little box... and they actually AF outside of it quite often as well. If you've got anything in that box that you don't want to AF on, or even slightly outside it, there's a chance the camera will pick up on it. Choose a good AF point, keep your shutter speed high, get a half-decent lens (you don't need L, just something with good reviews), and you really should be fine.

Oh, and if you do have an "issue", be bloody sure before you post here. And be prepared to offer proof, or else you'll be labeled an idiot, terrorist, or something of that sort. Sad but true.
Kristian Salo said:
I am getting too scary to purchase the 10D, after fighting the
hopeless crusade against the S40 and G2 focus issue*,

Those of you have the focus issue, how has Canon reacted. Is there
an "easy fix" that can be done in the warranty service?

Has anyone tested the Nikon D100 or Fuji S2, do they have focus
issues?

search the Canon Talk for "G2 focus"
--
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IXUS V, S40 and G2 Galleries
http://www.iki.fi/steelduck
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All my work are belong to me
 
Hi Kristian,

I am the happy owner of a Canon 10D. I have it now for two weeks and i get sick of all the posts about the focus "problem".
After i read your post i just did the focus test. (i didn't expect any problems)

And Yes my camera is fine. But do you realy expect all canon 10D users to tell you in a forum that there camera is focusing 100%?

I don't think so.

But if you realy don't want to take the risk. Just stick white you old camera. And let someone else get happy white the 10D you didn't buy.

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Greetings,
George

Come see at my photo work at http://www.ghpsite.com
Kristian Salo said:
I am getting too scary to purchase the 10D, after fighting the
hopeless crusade against the S40 and G2 focus issue*,

Those of you have the focus issue, how has Canon reacted. Is there
an "easy fix" that can be done in the warranty service?

Has anyone tested the Nikon D100 or Fuji S2, do they have focus
issues?

search the Canon Talk for "G2 focus"
--
---
IXUS V, S40 and G2 Galleries
http://www.iki.fi/steelduck
Click to expand...
 
that all this "focus issue" talk that you and your buddies keep percolating is affecting peoples' decisions. I guess Kristian would be one of these people you classified as "idiots" or "igorant".
 
Tommy Wirestam said:
...it's pathetic that you don't seem to understand that many who
are screaming and crying already have been through the Canon
Service calibrating routine both once and twice without acceptable
result.
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I do understand that... there are allways lemons... but these people clearly have not been able to fight for their rights...

check your local consumer-laws, atleast over here they say that in case the product does not get fixed in a service in the time of 30 days the shop should either return your money or give you a brand new product that works.
 
At least he is smart enough to ASK.
Pearl Rider said:
that all this "focus issue" talk that you and your buddies keep
percolating is affecting peoples' decisions. I guess Kristian would
be one of these people you classified as "idiots" or "igorant".
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--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers
 
Sorry, grandchild. I should've listened to DavidP and tested my camera. Now I don't have any shots of your first months on Earth, because Canon was busy fixing my camera. Woe is me! I could've had it exchanged, in time for your birth, if only I'd tested and had it exchanged.
ntmf said:
This leads me to the conclusion: immediately stop those focus tests!
You will end with thousands of ruler-pics.
And when one day your grand children ask you "what kind of photos
did you take in the beginning of the Digital-Photographing-Era"
what will you say: Oh my son, I spend the hole day with
Photographing rulers.
Click to expand...
--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers
 
Rylee Isitt said:
The truth is, nothing is perfect. There will be 10Ds with defects.
There will be D60s will defects... and in a hundred years, there
wil stilll be cameras with defects.

I've read hundreds of AF issue posts in this forum. Here's my take,
even if it's not firsthand.

The AF issues are real, and at first glace the quatity of posts
about the issues makes one think there are major problems. But
frustrated people are going to post about their problems more often
than happy people will post about their happiness. They come here
because they want empathy, or advice. Instead, they get treated
like scum and told "there is no focus issue" even when they hold in
their hands a camera which has one.

The issue looks worse than it is because the debate is so heated.
People are litereally screaming at eachother (in written words,
that is) over this.

I think your chances of getting a good camera are high. If at first
you think there's a problem, at least give yourself time to learn
the new equipment, ESPECIALLY if you come from the P+S realm.

Don't rely on the rler test to give you the truth.

The truth is, these cameras are stupid. They don't know what you
want to focus on, all they know is what you have in the little
box... and they actually AF outside of it quite often as well. If
you've got anything in that box that you don't want to AF on, or
even slightly outside it, there's a chance the camera will pick up
on it. Choose a good AF point, keep your shutter speed high, get a
half-decent lens (you don't need L, just something with good
reviews), and you really should be fine.

Oh, and if you do have an "issue", be bloody sure before you post
here. And be prepared to offer proof, or else you'll be labeled an
idiot, terrorist, or something of that sort. Sad but true.
Kristian Salo said:
I am getting too scary to purchase the 10D, after fighting the
hopeless crusade against the S40 and G2 focus issue*,

Those of you have the focus issue, how has Canon reacted. Is there
an "easy fix" that can be done in the warranty service?

Has anyone tested the Nikon D100 or Fuji S2, do they have focus
issues?

search the Canon Talk for "G2 focus"
--
---
IXUS V, S40 and G2 Galleries
http://www.iki.fi/steelduck
Click to expand...
--
All my work are belong to me
Click to expand...
--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers
 
I was one who said "I'll be the last to switch to digital" so I debated for a long time when the 10D came out. I borrowed a friends 10D to try, and seven days later I bought my own! Now I am GLAD I did. It is unbeatable at the price. I don't however see replacing my hasselblads with the 10D for weddings, but use the 10D for candid and photojourn. work at a wedding.

As for the focus issue: I work at a camera store/Lab and auth. Canon dealer and we have not seen the focus issue in the dozens we have sold.

I think it all depends on your glass. Personally, I would only use Canon L glass. I just got my 10D last thursday and tested it over the weekend with my 28-70 2.8 L and 70-200 f4 L and had no focus issue. The only issue I had was: How could this camera only cost $1500 for the quality images I got from it?
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Jason M.
Canon EOS 10D, EOS 3, Hasselblad 503cw's
 
DavidP said:
Sorry, grandchild. I should've listened to DavidP and tested my
camera. Now I don't have any shots of your first months on Earth,
because Canon was busy fixing my camera. Woe is me! I could've
had it exchanged, in time for your birth, if only I'd tested and
had it exchanged.
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I guess you just can't help it, David, doing your thing and spreading doubt about the 10D. You crave attention SO much. ;-)
 
I haven’t read this entire particular “focus” thread though I assume it follows along the same lines as the dozens of previous ones. My response to the specific question of being afraid to get a 10D because it may have focussing issues is simply to buy it somewhere where you can return it if you are not satisfied. That’s what I did. I tested mine thoroughly with a few lenses and found no problem.

So what’s to be scared about? You can get your camera to focus or you can’t – it’s that simple. If you can’t make it work to your satisfaction, then return it.
 
Jimmer said:
I haven’t read this entire particular “focus” thread though I
assume it follows along the same lines as the dozens of previous
ones. My response to the specific question of being afraid to get
a 10D because it may have focussing issues is simply to buy it
somewhere where you can return it if you are not satisfied. That’s
what I did. I tested mine thoroughly with a few lenses and found
no problem.

So what’s to be scared about? You can get your camera to focus or
you can’t – it’s that simple. If you can’t make it work to your
satisfaction, then return it.
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I think part of it is the DOUBT that some have spread here in this forum that people MAY have a focus problem with their 10D and don't realize it or are intentionally covering it up. They insist or allude that people who claim their cameras work well are actually shooting their cameras at f/8 or smaller apertures in order to compensate for the problem.
 
You’re probably right but it’s pretty funny and in a way, sad to think that people aren’t confident enough in their own ability to assess the quality of an image. Plus there are a lot of other factors involved including lens selection. Slap a Tamron 28 – 300 mm lens on it, open it up to the widest aperture (to supposedly test focussing) and I defy anyone to get a sharp picture. It’s not that it’s out of focus – it’s just not that sharp a lens under those conditions.
Pearl Rider said:
I think part of it is the DOUBT that some have spread here in this
forum that people MAY have a focus problem with their 10D and don't
realize it or are intentionally covering it up. They insist or
allude that people who claim their cameras work well are actually
shooting their cameras at f/8 or smaller apertures in order to
compensate for the problem.
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