Apparently the XP2 will look just like the XP1

Due to the inevitable compromise to mechanical durability Cameras intended for professional use have traditionally not had an articulated LCD. Nor has there been a demand by professional photographers for one.

I am sure there will be add on grips available to those who want it.

I don't believe the success or otherwise of the X-Pro2 will be much affected by the two factors you mentioned.

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This is rubbish. Durability is not the issue - ingrained tradition is.

Let's take a look at the durability aspect:

Almost every enthusiast videocamera has had vari-angle fully articulating screens that pivot in all directions for over a decade.

Most professional-grade videocameras (that tv reporters & war journalists use) have had similar vari-angle screens for over a decade
Thais has nothing to do with still cameras.
Canon and Nikon consumer dslr's have had fully articulating screens for 7 years by now.
This has nothing to do with professional cameras.
The difference in wear and tear and care between a pro and an enthusiast is minimal (I have been both) because: the enthusiast hobbyist may use the gear less but is more sloppy about it, and while the pro uses the gear more and in rougher situations, a pro takes better care of gear (livelihood).
This is a serious misconception. The difference is huge.

Professionals use equipment to make mooney, they are not too worried if it gets knocked about. They expect it to survive. Enthusiasts use their gear to enjoy it, and more often than not they take extreme care of their cameras.
Do some research: how many reports of faulty/broken swiveling screens (pro or consumer market) can you find? For dslrs Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Sony, Fuji, Samsung, Olympus, Panasonic. for the pro camcoder market - Panasonic, Sony, JVC, Canon, etc
Such research would likely to be futile. Very few professional strill photographers use non fixed rear LCDs on their cameras. A low failure rate would not be evidence of the problem not existing.
here's a tip: the hotshoe is a much much much more vulnerable / weak part of a camera than.
The hot shoe is perfectly strong part of the camera if used as intended. The problem is many people these days (mostly non-professionals) use it to carry accessorries it was not designed to support. Then they wonder why it broke.
a pivoting screen (partly because it pivots (meaning it isn't rigid and knocks are cushioned by the folding motion)).
Yes, just try to knock it in the direction in which it doesnt swivel or tilt, and see what happens.

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What will it offer that would be better? Is the hybrid finder really that much of a benefit?
 
It is if you want an OVF.
 
What will it offer that would be better? Is the hybrid finder really that much of a benefit?
Better? If you like the rangefinder design over the SLR type design,then yes, it is better. Sometimes it is also about the experience of using the gear.
 
What will it offer that would be better? Is the hybrid finder really that much of a benefit?
Viewfinder placement as well.

I had and sold an XT1 because I didn't like my nose pressed against the screen.
 
Looks like the ISO/shutter speed dial is the center button type as seen on the mode dial of current Pentaxes. (And others? ) This should be quite easy to use with practice, particularly for right handed shooters.

Looking pretty good. I'm not looking forward to trying to decide between the 35mm f/1.4 and the new f/2 as a core lens, but it looks big enough to cope with the 56mm if I like the camera enough to invest in a second one.
 
Looks like the ISO/shutter speed dial is the center button type as seen on the mode dial of current Pentaxes. (And others? ) This should be quite easy to use with practice, particularly for right handed shooters.

Looking pretty good. I'm not looking forward to trying to decide between the 35mm f/1.4 and the new f/2 as a core lens, but it looks big enough to cope with the 56mm if I like the camera enough to invest in a second one.
I wonder how you adjust the ISO with this setup? Since the top-plate bump is now angled on either side of the shutter speed dial you probably lift it up. Not any more convenient than the XT1 lock button.

Still looks like a mockup to me for the following reason:

The rear d-pad doesn't match the newest cameras, and there is a defined top-d-pad button.
The exp comp dial doesn't have the same angle as the rest of the top plate or the surface it rests on.
There is a raised lip around the right of the viewfinder window instead of how the X100T smoothed that out.

Lets hope the diopter wheel isn't on the side there where it can get bumped easily in my bag. Shame it can't take an extended eye-cup.

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It looks an awful lot like the mode dial on a current Pentax, which would mean you hold the button down with a finger to release the lock on outer dial and then turn the dial with your thumb.
 
It looks an awful lot like the mode dial on a current Pentax, which would mean you hold the button down with a finger to release the lock on outer dial and then turn the dial with your thumb.
Is it going to be a toggle, up to change the shutter speed and down to change the ISO? If not and the button locks the ISO that means no lock for the shutter speed. If the button is only for the ISO, I hop it is either a toggle or just a lock for the A position.

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What will it offer that would be better? Is the hybrid finder really that much of a benefit?
Why buy the XT-2 over a X-Pro2? Is the lack of a hybrid finder really that much of a big deal?

The bottom line is that some like rangefinder shaped cameras and some don't. Luckily Fuji caters to both parties.
 
I'm hoping that the 33mm f1.0 lens comes to fruition soon after the X-Pro2 is released... that will be a hell of a combo.
 
It looks an awful lot like the mode dial on a current Pentax, which would mean you hold the button down with a finger to release the lock on outer dial and then turn the dial with your thumb.
Is it going to be a toggle, up to change the shutter speed and down to change the ISO? If not and the button locks the ISO that means no lock for the shutter speed. If the button is only for the ISO, I hop it is either a toggle or just a lock for the A position.
I think the outer, ribbed rim of the dial is a separate piece from the top cover with the markings. I believe that's how Spotmatic worked.

To change the shutter speed you just turn the dial like you would normally do it. There appears to be a lock, but it's still unknown if it's a toggle, like on Olympus cameras, or a regular lock as on the X-pro 1.

To change the ISO value, you lift the outer rim of the dial and you turn it. I believe the H A L stands for "high", "auto", and "low", just like on the X-T1. That's how Soptmatic worked I think.

So far I think there's one positive with this dial : Fuji's modified the way the body wraps around it. They've made more space for your front or rear fingers to move across the body. The X-pro 1's dial was badly designed in that regard.

The negatives with such a solution are many :

1) If the lock is like the older X-pro 1, it's just the sort of thing that I totally hate to use. Because of how slow it is to access the minimum shutter speed in auto ISO on most cameras, and how slow it is to change custom settings, and particularly the Fujis, I'll very frequently want to go from A to manual shutter speed. Since there's a lock, I'll always need to loose my grip on the camera to do this. And anyway, a properly designed dial doesn't even need a lock.

2) It's even worse for the ISO dial : since the dial has to be lifted every time you want to change the ISO value, you'll be constantly loosing your grip every time you want to change that value. It's like the DF's PASM dial.

3) For both operations, you'll need to use at least two fingers, except for changing from a manual shutter speed value to another one, presumably. It's going to be a PITA when looking through the VF for example.

4) The ISO dial doesn't have three "A" positions, to match Fuji's not so dumb idea of being able to register three different auto ISO settings, as on the X100T.

5) When the shutter speed dial is set to certain values, you'll be reading the ISO values upside down.

EDIT : I've read another suggestion, that the lock can be used to "uncouple" the outer rim from the top cover. That would make point 1) and 3) a lot less problematic to me.
 
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It looks an awful lot like the mode dial on a current Pentax, which would mean you hold the button down with a finger to release the lock on outer dial and then turn the dial with your thumb.
Is it going to be a toggle, up to change the shutter speed and down to change the ISO? If not and the button locks the ISO that means no lock for the shutter speed. If the button is only for the ISO, I hop it is either a toggle or just a lock for the A position.
I think the outer, ribbed rim of the dial is a separate piece from the top cover with the markings. I believe that's how Spotmatic worked.

To change the shutter speed you just turn the dial like you would normally do it. There appears to be a lock, but it's still unknown if it's a toggle, like on Olympus cameras, or a regular lock as on the X-pro 1.

To change the ISO value, you lift the outer rim of the dial and you turn it. I believe the H A L stands for "high", "auto", and "low", just like on the X-T1. That's how Soptmatic worked I think.

So far I think there's one positive with this dial : Fuji's modified the way the body wraps around it. They've made more space for your front or rear fingers to move across the body. The X-pro 1's dial was badly designed in that regard.

The negatives with such a solution are many :

1) If the lock is like the older X-pro 1, it's just the sort of thing that I totally hate to use. Because of how slow it is to access the minimum shutter speed in auto ISO on most cameras, and how slow it is to change custom settings, and particularly the Fujis, I'll very frequently want to go from A to manual shutter speed. Since there's a lock, I'll always need to loose my grip on the camera to do this. And anyway, a properly designed dial doesn't even need a lock.

2) It's even worse for the ISO dial : since the dial has to be lifted every time you want to change the ISO value, you'll be constantly loosing your grip every time you want to change that value. It's like the DF's PASM dial.

3) For both operations, you'll need to use at least two fingers, except for changing from a manual shutter speed value to another one, presumably. It's going to be a PITA when looking through the VF for example.

4) The ISO dial doesn't have three "A" positions, to match Fuji's not so dumb idea of being able to register three different auto ISO settings, as on the X100T.

5) When the shutter speed dial is set to certain values, you'll be reading the ISO values upside down.

EDIT : I've read another suggestion, that the lock can be used to "uncouple" the outer rim from the top cover. That would make point 1) and 3) a lot less problematic to me.
Lifting to turn is going to be problematic because unlike SLRs there is no lip your finger can hook under and the top-plate bump is going to be in the way. You would need to lift and turn several times just to go more than a few stops; way more inconvenient than the XT1's dial lock.

What I hope is that the button is a toggle and when up the dial changes shutter speed, and when down the ISO.
 
That's how I think it is going to work. With the button in the center up (unpressed) the dial is a solid wheel and turning it changes the shutter speed. When the button is pressed, the outer ring unlocks and turns separately, changing the ISO and leaving the shutter speed untouched.

Still speculation, of course.
 
In your opinion, that is. And do you have a problem with Palestinians?
 
Yes, just like my older film cameras worked, simple and easy to use. Pull up and turn, I think.
 
What will it offer that would be better? Is the hybrid finder really that much of a benefit?
  1. Because for those who have to have the latest and greatest, the X-Pro2 is almost here while the X-T2 is still an assumption.
  2. Some of us prefer the rangefinder style body over the SLR style body.
 
To expand on what you said, Bill:

Guys are making a BIG deal that the new Leica SL is FINALLY a way to mount and use their M-lenses on a real Leica DSLR (or in that case, a 'DSLR-ish' mirrorless camera), regardless of the Sonys.

I've often thought that with the X, Fujifilm has performed a real hat trick in that all of the X lenses mount to a DSLR-type body (XT's), a rangefinder-like body (XPro), and your basic 'digital brick' body (XE's), so you really can have your cake and eat it too. This has never been done before, either in film or digital.

(Of course, it probably has been done before and I can't place it, but I'm waiting to find IF I'm wrong, who did it . . . . . )
 
Not necessarily. I actually prefer the SLR style body and like the XT1 very much. But I just don't like the EVF well enough to choose it over an OVF if I can possibly avoid it.

And then I got an X100T, and learned to love rangefinder style fast, for the sake of the hybrid VF.
 

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