Eizo and NEC seem to be the best out there. I was doing some research and I was watching a YouTube video on the CS270, which had IPS glow. In the conversation underneath, they spoke about reports of even the high end Eizos having IPS glow. These must be rare occurrences because the Eizos are of the best quality.
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Dell UP2716D vs U2713H
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Pictus
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The CX241, CX271, CG247, CG277, CG248-4K and CG318-4K does not have or it is a lot less than all the others...
I guess I'll just have to save up for one of these. There never seems to be any deals on professional monitors.
I was about to order one myself! Will wait couple days and see how you like your's
Do let us know how is the brightness and color uniformity across the panel and if there is any serious backlight bleed. I do have realistic expectations and do not expect miracles on this, but would love to know anyway.
And the LUT bit depth, if it shows up anywhere in the calibration software, because so far no one seems to have got the answer from Dell about this.
Most likely I will get this screen anyway, as it seems to be the top dog in the "budget precise color, wide gamut" class, with a neat design and hardware calibration capability.
BigBen08
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Looking forward to your review. This monitor is on my Christmas list.
Any update on your purchase? How do you like it? How's the panel brightness and color uniformity?
Hi guys
Here are my result using DispcalGUI + Agryll + i1Display Pro following Pictus guide as always. Monitor has been on 3 hours with the i1Display connected (the calibration tool needs to warm up as well).
The initial brightness was 180cm/m2. I sit in a bright room, so I personally prefer 120cm/m2. Most should properly go for 110cm/m2.
DiscalGUI 3.0.6.0 settings:
Correction: Spectral: LCD RG Phosphor
Observer: CIE 1931 2
Whitepoint: 6500
White level: 120
Gamma: 2.2
Calibration speed: Medium
Profile type: Curve + matrix
Black point compensation
Profile quality: High
Testchart: 73
50% brightness, RGB 92/90/87
Calibration profile result
Calibration curves
tone response curves
gamut
Uniformity
Here is my profile for download
It seems my Asus PA279Q does a better job in Uniformity. Dell has more aligned tone curves.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56114345
Maybe the U2713H does a better job than theUP2716D - I believe it does.
Let me know if you guys would like other tests. Also what are your thought on the results?
// Gudi
Here are my result using DispcalGUI + Agryll + i1Display Pro following Pictus guide as always
. Monitor has been on 3 hours with the i1Display connected (the calibration tool needs to warm up as well).The initial brightness was 180cm/m2. I sit in a bright room, so I personally prefer 120cm/m2. Most should properly go for 110cm/m2.
DiscalGUI 3.0.6.0 settings:
Correction: Spectral: LCD RG Phosphor
Observer: CIE 1931 2
Whitepoint: 6500
White level: 120
Gamma: 2.2
Calibration speed: Medium
Profile type: Curve + matrix
Black point compensation
Profile quality: High
Testchart: 73
50% brightness, RGB 92/90/87
Calibration profile result
Calibration curves
tone response curves
gamut
Uniformity
Here is my profile for download
It seems my Asus PA279Q does a better job in Uniformity. Dell has more aligned tone curves.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56114345
Maybe the U2713H does a better job than theUP2716D - I believe it does.
Let me know if you guys would like other tests. Also what are your thought on the results?
// Gudi
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Pictus
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Hi guys
Here are my result using DispcalGUI + Agryll + i1Display Pro following Pictus guide as always
Congratulations for the new monitor, the calibration result probably is very good, but Argyll+dispcalGUI can not calibrate this monitor internal LUT(14 bits?) you need the Dell utility that will reprogram the internal LUT to meet the desired results with the most linearity as possible and maybe in this new model the uniformity compensation can work with the calibration.
I do not know if still the case, but sadly the Dell utility does not take enough measurements to create a "100% perfect" profile, so after using the Dell utility you can use Argyll+dispcalGUI to have the ultimate result...
Maybe just the Dell utility is enough, I do not know you have to test and the Argyll+dispcalGUI tutorial got an update. The dispcalGUI Measurement Report creates a good HTML report you can send to a a place like http://dropbox.com.
I'ts my impression when using Dell utility, I have to choose either CAL1 or CAL2 color preset mode. However I'm unable to activate uniformity compensation with either sRGB, AdobeRGB or CAL1/2 modes selected. It's only active when I select either Standard or Color Temp. mode.Hi guys
Here are my result using DispcalGUI + Agryll + i1Display Pro following Pictus guide as always
Congratulations for the new monitor, the calibration result probably is very good, but Argyll+dispcalGUI can not calibrate this monitor internal LUT(14 bits?) you need the Dell utility that will reprogram the internal LUT to meet the desired results with the most linearity as possible and maybe in this new model the uniformity compensation can work with the calibration.
I do not know if still the case, but sadly the Dell utility does not take enough measurements to create a "100% perfect" profile, so after using the Dell utility you can use Argyll+dispcalGUI to have the ultimate result...
Maybe just the Dell utility is enough, I do not know you have to test and the Argyll+dispcalGUI tutorial got an update. The dispcalGUI Measurement Report creates a good HTML report you can send to a a place like http://dropbox.com.
Any hacks to this? Like on my Asus the brightness locks down when uniformity is on, so one have to adjust brightness with the compensation off, then reactivate. Maybe there's a way around choosing CAL and having CAL1 selected as color preset mode?
Found a working download link here:
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/dell-up2716d-monitor/drivers
I'm stuck
When i run the Dell UltraSharp Calibration Solution it asks me to update the monitor firmware to the version M3T102 or later. It displays the link, as I've posted above.
I'm unable to find any firmware for the monitor.
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Thanks for the update!
The report you posted seems pretty good. Not stellar, but very good for the price.
Subjectively, how do you feel about panel brightness and color uniformity in AdobeRGB and sRGB modes without Uniformity Compensation? And how bad does the IPS glow feel to whatever monitor you had before?
Ideally I would go for a larger 4K screen, but my current workplace size and budget constraints limit the choice to this or Benq SW2700PT. Out of those two, I am leaning towards Dell and will most likely order mine this week.
The report you posted seems pretty good. Not stellar, but very good for the price.
Subjectively, how do you feel about panel brightness and color uniformity in AdobeRGB and sRGB modes without Uniformity Compensation? And how bad does the IPS glow feel to whatever monitor you had before?
Ideally I would go for a larger 4K screen, but my current workplace size and budget constraints limit the choice to this or Benq SW2700PT. Out of those two, I am leaning towards Dell and will most likely order mine this week.
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Pictus
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It may have, but I do not know.
You have to ask the support(I see you posted at Dell forum).
Try the old calibration utility version 1.5.3
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Dell support also suggested to use older versions. I'll try later, but just a quick question. I have to use either CAL1 or CAL2, to be able to mix hardware calibration and software calibration. So I'm not to change any of the RGBs and brightness, when i use DispcalGUI in the pre-start of the calibration?
Btw. just calibrated my new Dell Precision 5510 4K laptop: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57055562
Pictus
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Not to change anything and set the white point to "As measured/Daylight".
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Hi,
I am looking into buying one of the two mentioned options. I will use it mainly for photography edition. After comparing the specifications I see that the U2713H seems more advanced in terms of colours support and Dell tick it as a Premier Colour on the main page however doesnt tick the UP2716D
http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/sna.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd&~topic=monitor_ultrasharp
U2713H Colour Support: Colour Depth: 1.074 billion coloursColour Gamut (typical): Adobe RGB 99%, sRGB 100% and 120% (CIE 1976)
UP2716D Colour Support: 1.07 billion colours
Prices are relativetly similar, being the U2713H slightly cheaper, but I like more the thiner design of the newer version.
Someone could clarify if U2713H would be a better option because of that?. I would expect a the newer version should at least improve the old one (considering both are very similar)
Many Thanks
pd: As well spoke with 5 guys from from Dell technical support (in India) and their best answer was that the most expensive one must be better
I am looking into buying one of the two mentioned options. I will use it mainly for photography edition. After comparing the specifications I see that the U2713H seems more advanced in terms of colours support and Dell tick it as a Premier Colour on the main page however doesnt tick the UP2716D
http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/sna.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd&~topic=monitor_ultrasharp
U2713H Colour Support: Colour Depth: 1.074 billion coloursColour Gamut (typical): Adobe RGB 99%, sRGB 100% and 120% (CIE 1976)
UP2716D Colour Support: 1.07 billion colours
Prices are relativetly similar, being the U2713H slightly cheaper, but I like more the thiner design of the newer version.
Someone could clarify if U2713H would be a better option because of that?. I would expect a the newer version should at least improve the old one (considering both are very similar)
Many Thanks
pd: As well spoke with 5 guys from from Dell technical support (in India) and their best answer was that the most expensive one must be better
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UP2716D is a Premier Color monitor, look at the detailed spec sheet, or the comparison list on US web site (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...&~ck=dpl&~topic=snp_ultrasharp_monitor_offers). There apparently is a mistake on their European web site you linked.
On paper UP2716D supports wider gamut - it has 100% Adobe RGB and 98% DCI-P3. Given the feature set, it would appear that UP2716D is a direct replacement for the older U2713H model. The only thing still unclear is about what kind of LUT it has - for U2713H it specifically says 14-bit LUT on the spec sheet, while for UP2716D it just says that hardware calibration is supported, without describing it in more detail.
I have ordered the UP2716D myself, but mine has not arrived yet. Also, Gudi posted his initial evaluation and some color test results in this thread already.
On paper UP2716D supports wider gamut - it has 100% Adobe RGB and 98% DCI-P3. Given the feature set, it would appear that UP2716D is a direct replacement for the older U2713H model. The only thing still unclear is about what kind of LUT it has - for U2713H it specifically says 14-bit LUT on the spec sheet, while for UP2716D it just says that hardware calibration is supported, without describing it in more detail.
I have ordered the UP2716D myself, but mine has not arrived yet. Also, Gudi posted his initial evaluation and some color test results in this thread already.
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That clarifies a lot Jekabs. Many Thanks. I think I will order it myself then.
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