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Drone registration mandatory for all in USA
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kreygscott
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Actually, if you have a real assault rifle, and not what the media calls "assault rifles", then you do in fact have to buy a special license, stamp, and register it.
But no, you don't have to register your deer rifle, just cause you put a scary looking black stock on it.
On the drone thing, I can understand the desire to register them, after all a drone could theoretically take down a large passenger plane. But really registering won't help that situation, and it is really just one more instance of ridiculous government bureaucracy and control.
But no, you don't have to register your deer rifle, just cause you put a scary looking black stock on it.
On the drone thing, I can understand the desire to register them, after all a drone could theoretically take down a large passenger plane. But really registering won't help that situation, and it is really just one more instance of ridiculous government bureaucracy and control.
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It would be VERY interesting if your outbound flight sucks one into the one of the engines, and on the way down, you might quickly re-think your civil liberties considerations. And if flights over your sunbathing neighbors is aggravating, imagine floating one over any restricted / sensitive area, much less someone using the drone for a delivery device for any number of weapons, improvised or otherwise.
I must admit it does seem heavy-handed, but in line with the heightened security in a post-9/11 world. So will I have to register with Uncle Sam if I buy my eight-year old nephew a little gyrocopter that weighs 10 ozs. for Christmas?
I see a bright future in 7-oz. drones !
I must admit it does seem heavy-handed, but in line with the heightened security in a post-9/11 world. So will I have to register with Uncle Sam if I buy my eight-year old nephew a little gyrocopter that weighs 10 ozs. for Christmas?
I see a bright future in 7-oz. drones !
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fear mongering at best.
if the person is intent on breaking the law, they aren't going to register their drone.
the same stupid thing was with gun registries.
the only people it served to control was the law abiding citizens.
Biological_Viewfinder
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True, but...
This is also true. It does control otherwise law-abiding citizens. Just like "No Trespassing" signs also control law-abiding citizens. Controlling otherwise law-abiding citizens is a major part of the plan; because law-abiding citizens are part of the problem when there are so very many people.
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No, you don't need any of those things to buy semi-automatic assault rifles, such as the ARs that are popular with mass shooters.
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If ones aviation experience doesn't extend much beyond buying something off Amazon.com, then they have no business flying in either controlled or Class G Airspace above 500ft AGL. Particularly due to the fact they (drones) cannot effectively "see & avoid"
This registration will at least note by whom and how many may be flying in a given area; at worst help narrow down suspects when the inevitable accident does occur.
I have a private pilots license and own a helicopter. The silly discussions about it being "fine" if a small drone is sucked into an airliner's engines, does not take into account any other type of aircraft or the type of the given airspace.
Helicopters normally fly between 500-1500 ft AGL. Small single-engine airplanes often from 1000 ft and above. So when I see stories/video of some idiot flying his new toy with camera at 1000, 2000, or even 3000ft - yes, he going to cause an accident. It's not all about frontal impact or ingestion into an engine intake. Items as small as pocket cameras and clipboards have taken out the tail rotors of helicopters and killed all aboard (on many instances).
When I'm flying with family/friends in licensed aircraft with an active transponder and cognisant and obey all airspace regs, I shouldn’t have to worry about being killed by an idiot playing with his new toy "that doesn't know any better".
This registration will at least note by whom and how many may be flying in a given area; at worst help narrow down suspects when the inevitable accident does occur.
I have a private pilots license and own a helicopter. The silly discussions about it being "fine" if a small drone is sucked into an airliner's engines, does not take into account any other type of aircraft or the type of the given airspace.
Helicopters normally fly between 500-1500 ft AGL. Small single-engine airplanes often from 1000 ft and above. So when I see stories/video of some idiot flying his new toy with camera at 1000, 2000, or even 3000ft - yes, he going to cause an accident. It's not all about frontal impact or ingestion into an engine intake. Items as small as pocket cameras and clipboards have taken out the tail rotors of helicopters and killed all aboard (on many instances).
When I'm flying with family/friends in licensed aircraft with an active transponder and cognisant and obey all airspace regs, I shouldn’t have to worry about being killed by an idiot playing with his new toy "that doesn't know any better".
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It's not fear-mongering: See the post preceding this one. The FAA has listed over 400 'close encounters between 'hobby drones' and licensed aircraft in the last 2 years, and close to 80 are officially classified as near misses (inside a 500 foot proximity). Mixing hobbyists who are no more than R/C aircraft enthusiasts at best and licensed pilots and aircraft in controlled, commercial airspace is a danger regardless of how you do or don't feel about government regs, whether these operators are nuts with an axe to grind or worse, or well-meaning, law-abiding citizens who just haven't thought the possibilities thru completely.
If you stopped to actually take a history lesson instead of just listening to the mass media which preys on your ignorance. You'd understand that there is no such thing as a semi-auto assault rifle. If you think about the very first assault rifle, the stg 44, which was designed during WWII, then you would know that. During WWII they already had sub-machine guns like the tommy gun which was in a pistol caliber, but sprayed bullets very quickly. This was designed for close quarters, essentially to clear a room. You also had also had rifles which could shoot vast distances and pick off enemies at hundreds of yards. You also had full size machine guns which could lay out thousands of bullets per second. But no assault rifles yet.
The solution at the time was to make squads, some equipped with sub machine guns, crews with full size machine guns, and marksmen with rifles. After careful study of battlefields, they realized that most engagements were done not at 600-800yards like rifles were designed for , but closer at about 200-300 yards. Then as troops "stormed" or launched an "assault", they had to move closer and clear streets and buildings, where the sub machine guns were most effective, and the rifles not so much.
So enter the assault rifle. The first one was the sturmgewehr 43/44 which was designed to have mid range precision capability in semi-auto, capable of taking precise shots out to 300yards. But once you near the completion the assault, you could flip a switch and switch to machine gun full auto mode to clear streets and buildings. It was the combination of these 2 modes that led the sturmgwehr 44 to get its name, which is german for the "storm" rifle. Like storming a castle. The american's and russians eventually made their own versions after the war, and in translation it got changed to "assault rifle" which stands for a military "assault", not assault like it's extra good at hurting people. The ability to go from precise long range shots at the start of an assault, then switch to full auto mode for street clearing is why it was given that name. So a semi-auto only rifle can't be an assault rifle by definition.
It's simply just a semi-auto rifle that looks mean thanks to hollywood movies. Because of this, even bad guys that want to terrorize people will cling to this look of a weapon, when they are no more deadlier than any other semi-auto rifle.
The reason the AR15 is so popular is because it's very modular, it's easy to configure a new barrel, forearm, trigger, stock, scopes or whatever to perfectly suit your size or shooting style. Also because of it's free floated gas tube design, it happens to be the most accurate of all the semi auto rifles. Lending it self well to medium range target shooting. It's also still after 50 years the lightest semi-auto rifle, weighing around 6lbs with a light weight barrel. All reasons for it's popularity.
Anywaysss..... Back on topic. I find it funny that driving without a drivers license is only a $200 fine, but flying a small toy drone(>0.5lbs) without registering is a $20k fine. You know there are going to be people who don't even look at the paperwork in the box. I think the fine is excessive, trying to be a deterrance, but just manages to screw over people that don't read directions.
kreygscott
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Well Said.
LOL!
I know what a semi-automatic AR-type rifle is, and I know that they are frequently used by mass shooters. No amount of pro-gun ranting will make those facts go away.
To be specific, in the San Bernardino massacre, one gun used was reportedly a Smith and Wesson M&P-15 Sport.
Gun Nuts insist that people use the euphemism "modern sporting rifle" rather than "assault rifle" , but I refuse to comply with Gun Nut Political Correctness.
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VA-ArtG
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CB Radio became all the rage and what happened? Yes, Virginia your Govt stepped in to mandate registration and licensing (largely ignored) The CB police soon found that the 'problem' was huge and after throwing lots of tax payer funds at it, they slunk off and that was the last of the registration problem.
CameraCarl
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Ask Marcel Hirscher if he supports ensuring that drone operators know what they are doing:
All rifles, combined, are used in less than 3% of all shootings nationwide. "Assault" rifles (that term is a fake, since it was originally specifically coined for weapons with full automatic firing capability and no such weapon was used in crimes in the US for ages) are just a tiny % of that. The only difference between a "scary assault rifle" like a bastardized AK or AR clone and your grandpa's semi-automatic hunting rifle is that the AK/AR has a larger capacity magazine (in some states) while your grandpa's rifle is more powerful and more accurate and shoots farther and is more likely to shoot right though an interior brick wall. Both have the same rate of fire, and in states that limit mag capacity to 10 rounds both have the same capacity, so an old-style hunting rifle is a better weapon in all areas other than not having the "tacticool" looks. And a lowly pump action shotgun is far more dangerous than either of these. Keep your finger on the trigger and keep racking the action and you put out far more lead in 30 seconds than most fully automatic weapons. And with far more devastating results up to 75 yards. That's what that guy who went nuts in a Navy facility and killed a bunch of people used. Of course any politician proposing to ban shotguns would commit a political suicide.
Anyway... in case of drones, this is the perfect case of a few a-holes ruining it for others. Like the ones interfering with firefighters, or playing Peeping Tom in people's backyards. Plus, as the drones proliferate, I can see a potential problem with dozens if not hundreds of them sharing the air in the same location, potentially colliding with things and falling on people's heads - and no one there to claim responsibility.
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