5DS/R: birds, a friend and the verdict

aftab · Dec 19, 2015

So, the verdict is out.

5DS/R is a good camera but is not good enough.

It is good and bad.

It is probably more bad than good. They have used it, tested it, so you can't argue with them.

Some of us have been using it too and we think it is an amazing camera. It does more than it promised. For example you can shoot an erratically flying bird with ease and a friend in low light handheld.

Terns here in Thames fly erratically (maybe they do everywhere) and they fly fast. I was tracking the bird's erratic path and didn't realize my camera got tilted.

I corrected the horizon in the post, cropped them a bit and still had plenty of resolution.

These are with 70-200/2.8II. I could have done this with my 5DIII too, but with much less resolution after cropping and horizon correction.

I was out to test my new 35/1.4 at sunset and saw these Oystercatchers getting ready to sleep on the beach. Exposure for the sun made the foreground pretty dark.

+2.5EV shadow lifting was easy.

I am sure it would have been easier with a Sony sensor (I have one), but 5DSR did a pretty decent job.

I went for a coffee with my friends in this dimly lit restaurant. 1/50 second shutter speed at ISO800 handheld.

No issues with sharpness.

No camera is perfect. All cameras can be improved. As far as the still photography goes, 5DS/R is one of the best cameras one can buy barring read noise compared with competition.

It is amazing.

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Schwany · Dec 19, 2015

Might be better if you photographed the terns with a 400f/2.8, 500f/4, or 600f/4 like most birders do. Buying pixels to make up for lack of focal length is not always the best solution. I'm sure you know that, but I'm just saying using a 200mm lens for birding is very unusual for anyone pursuing bird photography seriously. The verdict would almost always be out, unless the bird is 5 feet away from you when using a 200mm lens. That doesn't happen very often in my experience anyway.

aftab · Dec 19, 2015

Schwany said:
Might be better if you photographed the terns with a 400f/2.8, 500f/4, or 600f/4 like most birders do. Buying pixels to make up for lack of focal length is not always the best solution. I'm sure you know that, but I'm just saying using a 200mm lens for birding is very unusual for anyone pursuing bird photography seriously.

Of course. These shots would have been better with a 400mm or similar if I got the horizon right. That really was not the point I was trying to make. If these were taken with 5DIII+400/2.8 and with 5DSR+400/2.8, there would have been more resolution with 5DSR after cropping making them more usable. That was one point. The main point was that 5DSR was pretty good for fast moving subjects such as these birds.

Schwany said:
The verdict would almost always be out, unless the bird is 5 feet away from you when using a 200mm lens. That doesn't happen very often in my experience anyway.

I do have dedicated lenses for birds (up to 600mm), here I was just trying to see how this particular lens performs with this camera in this situation. I never used this lens for birds with my 5DIII, so I can't make a comparison with 5DSR, but I think this combination did an excellent job. The reason for testing is that I don't always carry my 'bird lenses' as they are big and birds may not be my target ( I shoot everything). Then I come across birds, only to tell myself wish I had my 400mm. 5DSR surely would be better in these situations.

5DS/R is an extremely versatile camera. It does a lot more than just printing large tripod taken shots in a studio. In my opinion if one is happy to put up with large files and shorter battery life, it can easily replace 5DIII as a all round camera and do more than 5DIII can do.

Schwany · Dec 19, 2015

aftab said:
Schwany said:

Might be better if you photographed the terns with a 400f/2.8, 500f/4, or 600f/4 like most birders do. Buying pixels to make up for lack of focal length is not always the best solution. I'm sure you know that, but I'm just saying using a 200mm lens for birding is very unusual for anyone pursuing bird photography seriously.

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Of course. These shots would have been better with a 400mm or similar if I got the horizon right. That really was not the point I was trying to make. If these were taken with 5DIII+400/2.8 and with 5DSR+400/2.8, there would have been more resolution with 5DSR after cropping making them more usable. That was one point. The main point was that 5DSR was pretty good for fast moving subjects such as these birds.

OK I must have missed that due to hast.

aftab said:
aftab said:

The verdict would almost always be out, unless the bird is 5 feet away from you when using a 200mm lens. That doesn't happen very often in my experience anyway.

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I do have dedicated lenses for birds (up to 600mm), here I was just trying to see how this particular lens performs with this camera in this situation. I never used this lens for birds with my 5DIII, so I can't make a comparison with 5DSR, but I think this combination did an excellent job. The reason for testing is that I don't always carry my 'bird lenses' as they are big and birds may not be my target ( I shoot everything). Then I come across birds, only to tell myself wish I had my 400mm. 5DSR surely would be better in these situations.

Yeah, the darn big whites are big. Tue the images even cropped were clean, but of course maybe lacking some detail.

aftab said:
5DS/R is an extremely versatile camera. It does a lot more than just printing large tripod taken shots in a studio. In my opinion if one is happy to put up with large files and shorter battery life, it can easily replace 5DIII as a all round camera and do more than 5DIII can do.

Good to know it works like it should. I've been thinking about that camera as a replacement for the 5DII, and using it for birds and/or wildlife, which I never used the 5DII for. AF is too flakey off center point on the 5DII.

Thanks

aftab · Dec 19, 2015

Schwany said:
Schwany said:

5DS/R is an extremely versatile camera. It does a lot more than just printing large tripod taken shots in a studio. In my opinion if one is happy to put up with large files and shorter battery life, it can easily replace 5DIII as a all round camera and do more than 5DIII can do.

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Good to know it works like it should. I've been thinking about that camera as a replacement for the 5DII, and using it for birds and/or wildlife, which I never used the 5DII for. AF is too flakey off center point on the 5DII.

Thanks

A lot of people are waiting for 5DIII successor. That is a sensible thing to do IMO, especially because it is very likely to have Canon's new sensor technology. But if someone with 5DII/III wants to get a 5DS/R he/she would be very happy with the camera.

ASR45 · Dec 20, 2015

What i have seen looks good, for me i don't like noise, and i don't need massive files, it suits what ever one needs it for. I shoot with a 5D3 and a new just bought 1DX, do i need a 1DX NO, but got it dirt cheap in the black friday deals, and offer i could not turn down.

I am more than happy with my 1DX + 100-400MK2 stuck on the end, time will tell if i keep it as it weights a bloody ton, not getting any younger and can cause a back pain if i carry to long.

What ever you shoot be happy, its your money your choice, and no one has the right to tell you what to shoot, be that a cat, dog, or blade of grass.

:-D

Have fun and keep the pics coming, we all love to see photos.

Schwany · Dec 20, 2015

aftab said:
Schwany said:

aftab said:

5DS/R is an extremely versatile camera. It does a lot more than just printing large tripod taken shots in a studio. In my opinion if one is happy to put up with large files and shorter battery life, it can easily replace 5DIII as a all round camera and do more than 5DIII can do.

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Good to know it works like it should. I've been thinking about that camera as a replacement for the 5DII, and using it for birds and/or wildlife, which I never used the 5DII for. AF is too flakey off center point on the 5DII.

Thanks

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A lot of people are waiting for 5DIII successor. That is a sensible thing to do IMO, especially because it is very likely to have Canon's new sensor technology. But if someone with 5DII/III wants to get a 5DS/R he/she would be very happy with the camera.

Good point. Probably $400 cheaper too.

aftab · Dec 20, 2015

ASR45 said:
What i have seen looks good, for me i don't like noise, and i don't need massive files, it suits what ever one needs it for. I shoot with a 5D3 and a new just bought 1DX, do i need a 1DX NO, but got it dirt cheap in the black friday deals, and offer i could not turn down.

I am more than happy with my 1DX + 100-400MK2 stuck on the end, time will tell if i keep it as it weights a bloody ton, not getting any younger and can cause a back pain if i carry to long.

What ever you shoot be happy, its your money your choice, and no one has the right to tell you what to shoot, be that a cat, dog, or blade of grass.

:-D

Have fun and keep the pics coming, we all love to see photos.

ASR45 · Dec 20, 2015

aftab said:
ASR45 said:

What i have seen looks good, for me i don't like noise, and i don't need massive files, it suits what ever one needs it for. I shoot with a 5D3 and a new just bought 1DX, do i need a 1DX NO, but got it dirt cheap in the black friday deals, and offer i could not turn down.

I am more than happy with my 1DX + 100-400MK2 stuck on the end, time will tell if i keep it as it weights a bloody ton, not getting any younger and can cause a back pain if i carry to long.

What ever you shoot be happy, its your money your choice, and no one has the right to tell you what to shoot, be that a cat, dog, or blade of grass.

:-D

Have fun and keep the pics coming, we all love to see photos.

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George Zip · Dec 21, 2015

I sometimes think that people get too carried away with what a particular camera does best and pigeon hole them unfairly.

By that I mean with the 5ds the thinking is that it's best function is landscapes and studio work, and because of that it must mean it is no good for anything else. Or the 7D is an action camera and not good for other stuff.

A small amount of knowledge can be a counter productive thing sometimes.

aftab · Dec 21, 2015

George Zip said:
I sometimes think that people get too carried away with what a particular camera does best and pigeon hole them unfairly.

By that I mean with the 5ds the thinking is that it's best function is landscapes and studio work, and because of that it must mean it is no good for anything else. Or the 7D is an action camera and not good for other stuff.

You are right. Even some of those thinking about getting a 5DS/R are hesitant to get one as they think it doesn't do other things well enough. That's not true.

And there is the question of technique and glasses. Okay, you don't the full benefit of 50mp if you don't use the best glasses and your technique is not perfect, but you still get significant benefit over a lower MP camera with similar techniques. And it has all the other features most DSLR shooters will be happy with.

George Zip said:
A small amount of knowledge can be a counter productive thing sometimes.

BlueRay2 · Dec 21, 2015

aftab said:
ASR45 said:

What i have seen looks good, for me i don't like noise, and i don't need massive files, it suits what ever one needs it for. I shoot with a 5D3 and a new just bought 1DX, do i need a 1DX NO, but got it dirt cheap in the black friday deals, and offer i could not turn down.

I am more than happy with my 1DX + 100-400MK2 stuck on the end, time will tell if i keep it as it weights a bloody ton, not getting any younger and can cause a back pain if i carry to long.

What ever you shoot be happy, its your money your choice, and no one has the right to tell you what to shoot, be that a cat, dog, or blade of grass.

:-D

Have fun and keep the pics coming, we all love to see photos.

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