Meike Mount Adapter S-AF4 for Sony E-Mount to Canon EF/EF-S

No, it is not.

There are other parameters like focusing on infinity, IS, aperture, tolerance and machining, etc..

It is the cheapest adapter, right now. So, people can be interested in other non-AF things..

OK ... this is going to be quick because I am pushed for time. It fits on the A6000 but there is a tad bit of slop particularly in rotation ... maybe 2-3 degrees. Tamron 16-300 (Canon EOS Mount) fits on adapter snugly. Aperture and Image stabilization appear to work. AutoFocus is a TOTAL failure for short, long and in between. Manual focus works of course but (and this is the BIG gotcha) after taking a shot the lens will sometimes refocus on its own. This action takes place despite the lens being set to manual focus. There may be some tricks in the menu. I will try to post something more extensive later this week.
Whats the point of testing this on an a6000? Fast Af only works on a7rii and fw updates a7ii. Testing it on any other camera is pointless.
 
Hi,

I am moving to the Sony A7Rii in the New Year and retiring my 6D to back up purposes. Currently looking at the different mounts available, some good and some bad.

Thanks in advance

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Canon 70-200L f4


Hi Bruce... I have the Fotodiox Pro? Had flare issues cured with a bit of spray paint. Works with 3 of my 4 canon lenses.

Jeff



Carefully mask off pins.
Carefully mask off pins.



 Canon 35mm F1.4 at F2
Canon 35mm F1.4 at F2

 Sonnar 35mm F2.8 at F2.8
Sonnar 35mm F2.8 at F2.8
 
The Fotga didn't have a USB port and that one couldn't enable focusing past infinity either. I should forget the USB ports on these cheaper models, I'm pretty sure they're dumb ports just there for marketing purposes.
Oh it is connected to something.

Chip
Chip

I think that is some form of ARM 32-bit Cortex M3 CPU but I have not be able to ID that specific part number.
 
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Circuit board inside of the Neewer NW-S-AF4



Front
Front

Back
Back

Just quick snaps. I am not really setup for macros or close ups at the moment.
 
I asked where to find firmwares on-line. Here is the e-mail I received from neewer support!!!:

''Hello,
Thanks for your contact, but we don't have firmware available for this item, any problem with it?
Have a good day!
Best regards,Neewer support team''


Yeah, I guess I will sell or return it...
Before you return it, can you at least test to see if the Neewer device can use the Metabones' firmware?

Since the two look alike physically, Neewer might have copied the internals to be exactly the same as well. So maybe the Metabones firmware works, please test for us.
 
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Before you return it, can you at least test to see if the Neewer device can use the Metabones' firmware?

Since the two look alike physically, Neewer might have copied the internals to be exactly the same as well. So maybe the Metabones firmware works, please test for us.
I think the first question to be answered is if the hardware is identical or least relatively close. The Neewer unit use a STM32 CPU. Has anyone taken a look at the inside of the Metabones adapter?

See these two posts:


 
Thanks! I was going to do this later this week, you beat me to it.

First time I've seen a ribbon cable used in a cheap Chinese adapter - I'm liking how this was built.
 
The Fotga didn't have a USB port and that one couldn't enable focusing past infinity either. I should forget the USB ports on these cheaper models, I'm pretty sure they're dumb ports just there for marketing purposes.
Oh it is connected to something.

Chip
Chip

I think that is some form of ARM 32-bit Cortex M3 CPU but I have not be able to ID that specific part number.
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32F103T8U6/ - much more expensive/powerful than the LPC1114 seen in the Viltrox adapter. FOTGA uses an ATMega8! :(

72 MHz, Cortex-M3, 64kB flash 20kB RAM

http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/CD00161566.pdf

Edit:

http://dfu-util.sourceforge.net/dfuse.html - some info on STM32 DFU. Somewhat bad news is "Devices based on for instance STM32F103 all run the bootloader from flash, since there is no USB bootloader in ROM" - So if they screwed up the flash bootloader this might not be loadable. Even if there is a flash bootloader, we don't know how to make the device go into bootloader mode in this particular case.

It could be some weird incompatibility with the hub or cable I was using though, so I'll try some other cables/ports tonight.
 
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I asked where to find firmwares on-line. Here is the e-mail I received from neewer support!!!:

''Hello,
Thanks for your contact, but we don't have firmware available for this item, any problem with it?
Have a good day!
Best regards,Neewer support team''


Yeah, I guess I will sell or return it...
Before you return it, can you at least test to see if the Neewer device can use the Metabones' firmware?

Since the two look alike physically, Neewer might have copied the internals to be exactly the same as well. So maybe the Metabones firmware works, please test for us.
It's unlikely to be compatible, since the Metabones has an additional button that the Neewer does not have.

Also, the Metabones enters firmware update mode by plugging in USB while holding down said button. So far, no one can figure out how to get this into firmware update mode - it won't even enumerate on a host.
 
Whats the point of testing this on an a6000? Fast Af only works on a7rii and fw updates a7ii. Testing it on any other camera is pointless.
Well I happen to have a A6000 and not a a7rii so it kind of matters to me.
Yup, and if it's cheaper than the Viltrox but performs approximately as well, it'll be good.

There IS variation in AF performance between adapters on the A6000 - AF will always be slow, but some combos (such as EF85/1.8 + Techart III in Nor mode) are unusable due to excessive hunting.

There's also the fact that this is "cheap" plus "has USB port" which means it could be quite an interesting hacking platform.
 
The Fotga didn't have a USB port and that one couldn't enable focusing past infinity either. I should forget the USB ports on these cheaper models, I'm pretty sure they're dumb ports just there for marketing purposes.
Oh it is connected to something.

Chip
Chip

I think that is some form of ARM 32-bit Cortex M3 CPU but I have not be able to ID that specific part number.
The adaptors do allow autofocus, albeit slowly, so naturally there will be electronics inside them, however, updates via USB? I'll believe it if it ever happens, which I very much doubt.

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Well that explains why I could not find anything on the chip. I am somewhat familiar with the Atmel line but know nothing of this one. Glancing over the specs it does look like a fairly respectable little MPU (perspective: it is as powerful as my first computer ... Commodore 64). There is a lot of potential in this unit. I did not do much in the way of tracing circuits but what there is does not seem to be too complicated.

The simplest scenario is that if the the power source is the camera then the device goes in to 'RUN' mode. If power comes from the USB then the device goes into 'PROGRAM' mode. Then there would need to be logic to determine which was the default mode if there were power on both interfaces. The 'PROGRAM' mode might not be a full boot loader but only replace a parameter table in Flash. It might also remain mute until it seems a particular byte sequence. This could be an interesting little project.

At this point it does not work with my lens of choice so I have ordered the Viltrox from Amazon to see if that has any better luck. I did send an email to Neewer telling them of my disappointment with their device and asking about updating the firmware. I had a response last night requesting specific order information. I sent that and am now in wait and see mode.
 
Are we sure it is the same product with Meike's? If so, it would be nice to contact to the Meike, too.

Well that explains why I could not find anything on the chip. I am somewhat familiar with the Atmel line but know nothing of this one. Glancing over the specs it does look like a fairly respectable little MPU (perspective: it is as powerful as my first computer ... Commodore 64). There is a lot of potential in this unit. I did not do much in the way of tracing circuits but what there is does not seem to be too complicated.

The simplest scenario is that if the the power source is the camera then the device goes in to 'RUN' mode. If power comes from the USB then the device goes into 'PROGRAM' mode. Then there would need to be logic to determine which was the default mode if there were power on both interfaces. The 'PROGRAM' mode might not be a full boot loader but only replace a parameter table in Flash. It might also remain mute until it seems a particular byte sequence. This could be an interesting little project.

At this point it does not work with my lens of choice so I have ordered the Viltrox from Amazon to see if that has any better luck. I did send an email to Neewer telling them of my disappointment with their device and asking about updating the firmware. I had a response last night requesting specific order information. I sent that and am now in wait and see mode.
 
Are we sure it is the same product with Meike's? If so, it would be nice to contact to the Meike, too.
That would be a negative. They are similar in outward appearance with similar part numbers. Baring some documented proof someone with access to both units would need to do a physical comparison to be certain. Even then there could be differences in the firmware. Having said all that, I would be more likely to lay odds on them being the same.
 
Thanks Jeff for that, will have a look
 
I've used a shortener to bypass DPR blocking it. $45/£26 delivered, might be worth a punt when I get my A7R2 in the new year

bit.ly/1P7cL4T
 
Well that explains why I could not find anything on the chip. I am somewhat familiar with the Atmel line but know nothing of this one. Glancing over the specs it does look like a fairly respectable little MPU (perspective: it is as powerful as my first computer ... Commodore 64). There is a lot of potential in this unit. I did not do much in the way of tracing circuits but what there is does not seem to be too complicated.

The simplest scenario is that if the the power source is the camera then the device goes in to 'RUN' mode. If power comes from the USB then the device goes into 'PROGRAM' mode. Then there would need to be logic to determine which was the default mode if there were power on both interfaces. The 'PROGRAM' mode might not be a full boot loader but only replace a parameter table in Flash. It might also remain mute until it seems a particular byte sequence. This could be an interesting little project.

At this point it does not work with my lens of choice so I have ordered the Viltrox from Amazon to see if that has any better luck. I did send an email to Neewer telling them of my disappointment with their device and asking about updating the firmware. I had a response last night requesting specific order information. I sent that and am now in wait and see mode.
Most of the documentation I've seen for the STM32 indicates that typical USB DFU bootloaders for this device enter program mode when powered on with a USB host connected. At that point they should at least enumerate on a USB bus - but I'm not seeing it even enumerate.

However, looking at the way it does it (tries multiple clock rates first) it might anger some USB hubs that work fine with most hardware, so I'm going to try other cables/hubs to see if they behave differently.

If a way can be determined to get it into DFU mode it might be possible to readback the current firmware - and then it would be possible to start work on replacing the firmware. :)

To Meike/Neewer's credit, it makes sense that they don't have a firmware updater available yet since the device JUST was released and thus there's only the initial factory firmware available for it. It's pretty common for the initial firmware for a device never to be released in an updater as it makes it a bit more difficult for competitors to reverse engineer. This is even the case for mobile phone firmwares from some manufacturers (Samsung NEVER makes firmware packages for their Android devices public, mortal users outside of service centers are always supposed to use OTAs, but people have figured out how to find the Odin update packages for devices in most cases, however I've never seen an Odin package for any device's "factory" firmware that wasn't created by a few enterprising hackers pulling the firmware off of 2-3 shipped devices. As to 2-3 - need to use a rooted /system image to pull a clean kernel, then need a kernel with insecure ADB to pull a clean /system image.)

Also potentially useful, some additional docs on STM32 DFU:

https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Attachments/18225/AN2606.pdf

By the definitions given in that document, this is a "medium-density" STM32F103xx device (64 kB flash)

It implies that BOOT0 must be high for the device to boot into "System memory" DFU mode - but other docs indicate "System memory" DFU might not exist on this device - so not sure.

It's a VQFPN36 package from the looks of it, pinout for this package is on page 27 of the datasheet from a previous post I made. BOOT0 is pin 35, pin numbers are counterclockwise from 1, not sure what designates "1" on this chip. So 35 is two pins clockwise from 1. Assumption is that the diagram in the datasheet is aligned so that the text on the chip is "normally" readable in that orientation, e.g. pin 1 is the top of the left row of pins. This would make pin 35 the second from the left on the top. In your circuit board image, the STM32 is rotated 90 degrees CCW, making pin 35 the second from the bottom of the left row in that image.

Edit: Reading further, it seems like system memory bootloader only supports USART. So that's consistent with some of the USB DFU references indicating that USB bootloaders on some devices need to reside in user flash. As a result, since user flash determines whether to go to normal operation or stay in bootloader mode, we don't know what the criteria are for bootloader mode. I'm really hoping that it's just a result of me using a hub/cable it didn't like, because if we need "magic tricks" to enter DFU mode this could be tough.

Edit 2: However, if it can be determined how to get BOOT0 high, and assuming USART1 is wired to the E-mount serial lines, it may be possible to enter serial bootmode for readback/unbricking.

Detailed reference manual for the family that includes STM32F103xx:

http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/CD00171190.pdf (Warning: LARGE - 1128 pages, the datasheet I linked to a few posts previously is only 117).
 
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Lew:

By any chance, is Pin 4 of the Mini-USB connector wired anywhere?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Pinouts - Some devices use "nonstandard" values on the ID pin to indicate a "special function" cable such as a bootloader.
 
I have out it back together :-(
 

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